After getting off work this morning I decided to get a dyno to satisfy my curiosity. My bike is a 06 with a full Ti Force and BMC filter and of course a cblast flashed ecu. I am convinced it was money well spent. Sorry for the picture site wouldn't upload my scan. Made 187.58 hp and 111.09 torque.

* Last updated by: suzy1052 on 8/26/2015 @ 10:34 AM *

did you get a baseline before the flash ? because some people on here, don't think the flash does anything ....

I'm not one of them ...

"I'm not one of them ..."

Out loud.

May I?

Pastry!!

(mmph... munch, munch)

"people here don't believe the flash does anything"

This isn't accurate. The thing people here know is despite increasing dyno numbers whatever the increases are may not translate into any actual decrease in acceleration times. That's what people know, there's no belief about it. I know it for a fact, I have the test results which back it up!

The hypothesis is manipulating the fuel maps the benefits of ram air can basically be duplicated on the static dyno. However when the bike is actually being ridden this negates any benefit ram air provides. So basically you got tuned in 10 hp by someone doing fuel maps on a static dyno. Ram air makes 10 hp with the stock maps. Either way you only net 10 hp. See what I'm saying? So you get a big fluffy number on the dyno, while you get 0 decrease in acceleration times. Furthermore a thought is that by leaning the fuel mixture out for dyno numbers, as ram air increases it might actually cause a slight lean condition reducing hp!

So unless you have some before and after acceleration numbers, you'll never really know how much of a difference that 187 hp number makes. I don't know, dyno's are cool but if you want a piece of paper to look at to tell you how fast your bike is well all I can say is that's not what matters to me.

"However when the bike is actually being ridden this negates any benefit ram air provides. So basically you got tuned in 10 hp by someone doing fuel maps"...re-read this brilliant sentence will ya?I was RIGHT...you DON'T understand the English language.

Just for clarification here...ram air isn't working if the bike's sitting still or on a Dyno professor.Might want to rethink your hypothesis...

Try thinking...simply.More air,more power,more fuel,more air,more power.You don't get this tricombo on a DYNOLOL.

Do you even KNOW what 'negates' means?

So if the bike is flashed or whatever with fueling changes to create more power...then the addition of a ram air scenario would only INCREASE that power number.Considering the fueling actually DID increase power on a Dyno.And yer also leaving out the timing factor.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 8/26/2015 @ 9:46 PM *

Hey Grn, does this make sense?
"There just isn't any more...
10 hp? No way, not on this bike....
Showing more power by leaning the fueling so it's mixture is correct on the dyno just shows what the power is/would be when the bike is actually moving.
Using that leaner mixture on the road is too lean and will slow the bike down.... Knowing how rich it's supposed to be on the dyno will give the correct result on the road.
Leaning the mixture will show almost 10 hp on the dyno (on this bike).... This bike has a pretty heavy ram air compensation in the upper gears due to it's having to deal with a 200 mph wind blast, so naturally there is a nice gain (as much as 8-10 hp) ON THE DYNO by leaning it out."

I totally agree with Vic
Hp doesn't mean crap
I have a 16 HP Aprilia that will destroy every one of your paltry 14's
It does get a little squirrely over 220 though

Hmmmmm 7 posts from thread originator. Sales pitch much?? God these posts are getting sad. My guess as to why the population over here has shrunk so much.

Negative Beast...I don't shill for anybody. I am merely reporting my findings. I only have 7 posts because I am new to the ZX14. If your powers of deductions were half as good as you think you would have googled my user name and see that I belong to many motorcycle forums going back many years and rarely recommend anything unless I tried it and it had good results. Whats really sad are people who make assumptions.

* Last updated by: suzy1052 on 8/28/2015 @ 7:24 AM *

RAM = How I see ram is a speed event. It's linear so the faster you go, the more pressure behind the intake valve. When the in-valve opens, who enters the void and fills it faster? Air. What happens next? Lean? So you lean the bike out that needed more fuel at a higher ram pressure so both fuel and air sort of match? Now you leaned out the map as per a static dyno? Where is the fuel for the valve pressure waiting to enter? You'd need to be in a wind tunnel to tune for ram.

Map = So if the stock OE runs a 14.1a, you install a flash with a 13.5a, might you be over-rich now, or sort of added more fuel than air at full RAM, then slowed the bike down? Doubt it, right?

Then there is the Brock test of 2 less HP due to the subs disabled for higher rpm and now look at that loss of a 'faster event' occurring with more air. Subs are gone so this is not slowing down the air for the fuel to enter before 'the void is filled faster with air,' not gas and that [ratio].

It's generally slow all over.. strange how that happens even with traffic being lite; where it would be busy at that same time. Is it the season for More riding time less net time?

"Negative Beast...I don't shill for anybody. I am merely reporting my findings"...don't sweat it Suz....he's just intimidated. It's a guy thingLOL.

"Is it the season for More riding time less net time?"...I hate to think what Winter's gonna be like around here this year;)

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 8/28/2015 @ 9:10 PM *

" you install a flash with a 13.5a, might you be over-rich now, or sort of added more fuel than air at full RAM, then slowed the bike down? Doubt it, right?"

right, but it also won't put up a higher dyno number.

OP glad you are happy. that's what its all about enjoying your bike and happy with your results.

To the negative post. I see a couple of guys keep commenting about the gains on a dyno that are not actually gains.
VicThing, in your hypothesis (your words) you talk about the dyno gains not being real gains. I understand where you are trying to come from but having read several of your other post I doubt your ability to perform any type of test with actual scientific documented results. Hand held stopwatches are not good enough for a conclusive test. Back to your hypothesis of the dyno fueling actually leaning out in real world conditions. I am assuming you have results to back this statement up?? What where your AF measurements on the dyno vs on the road?? If you havent been on a dyno or haven't taken the time to monitor AF ratios then your opinion is useless banter. Opinions of which you have nothing quantifiable to back up your 'hypothesis' sounds rather juvenile and honestly it seems as if you have an ax to grind with cblast and you are letting that cloud your judgement. I do appreciate your attempts to help others with your 'test' and taking the time to post, I just wish you would be more scientific in your fact findings before attempting to trash others. Your attempts to help others actually only sets them back if you don't use accurate data gathering techniques.
**no im not trying to defend cblast you can find my opinion of his product in other post just don't understand why you feel it necessary to talk negative on every post concerning him.

"VicThing, in your hypothesis (your words) you talk about the dyno gains not being real gains."...he doesn't KNOW whether his gained or not...that's the whole point.Regardless of any 'test' results...ARE THE ECU'S VERIFIABLY(DYNOED)DIFFERENT.The one thing that could actually PROVE whether a flash had been done or not is being thrown under the bus...with a bunch of silly comments about 'how it means nothing' blah blah blah.It DOES mean something.If it shows NO change at any area...then it hasn't been flashed.That's the bottom line.I'd want to know personally if mine had actually been flashed if I felt NO difference at all.

WHO WOULDN'T?????

Cblast's 'credibility' is being hammered here.OKAY...let's put it to the test...This is really all on Vic..it's HIS ECU.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 8/30/2015 @ 9:15 AM *

it doesn't have to be dynoed. according to some that wouldn't matter anyway.(I believe it does but that's my opinion)

just hook it up to a computer and read the binfile on it, there is your answer. If he is close to me I would meet him and read it for free as im sure a lot of people with the software to do so would happily do.

* Last updated by: drt2706 on 8/30/2015 @ 10:05 AM *

Doesn't appear he is interested in the truth, he would rather spread false information about a product rather than admit that the problem was him all along. This site could improve its standing by banning members that make false negative claims and make personal attacks against others when questioned about there methods. With the sole purpose being to discredit long time supporters of the site. Smh

* Last updated by: drt2706 on 8/30/2015 @ 1:24 PM *

First let me say that I take any Dynojet readings with a grain of salt as they are mostly there to make money on the tuning side for the person who owns it. They can be manipulated to show a loss and then a gain for the unsuspecting bike owner. We all got that part. The owner of this particular dyno runs a shop in Charlotte NC and is heavily involved in the drag racing scene and has been for 30 + years. He sells custom tunes by the truckload. He also sells his own flash. He had a vested interest in seeing poor results. I told him it was flashed before he started. At the end I found it interesting that he didn't try to upsell me on anything (as he is known to do) which tells me it probably at least makes 180 hp which I can live with as IT IS a hell of a lot faster/quicker than it was before with a Power Commander/custom tune and flies out.

* Last updated by: suzy1052 on 8/30/2015 @ 1:31 PM *

OP
Glad you are happy with your results as there are alot of customers who share your experience. You made a good choice no matter what others may say. I'm not far from Charlotte and know Neville from Lee's performance very well. Have been racing with/against them since the late 80s. Stand up shop!
Glad you shared you're positive review Thanks!!

"Doesn't appear he is interested in the truth, he would rather spread false information about a product rather than admit that the problem was him all along. This site could improve its standing by banning members that make false negative claims and make personal attacks against others when questioned about there methods. With the sole purpose being to discredit long time supporters of the site. Smh"

...I can't understand why EVERYONE doesn't SEE this...especially when out of the blue this person begins to use obsenities against others for no reason.That tells me this person doesn't really CARE what someone else might feel.It's crude and uncalled for.Yeah...I said a few things...stooped to his level...for that I apologize to all here.But usually..I mind my tongue.

Clearly the truth about whether it was flashed or not(for more performance) shall remain forever concealed.RIP.

And I'm happy for you Suzy with yer ride...glad you're enjoying the big beast!My 07 was a fantastic 'first big sportbike' experience.Started me out on the path of REAL motorcycling enjoyment.With a prep of 2 years with my zx12R...another great machine.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 8/30/2015 @ 2:19 PM *

drt2706; the quote I posted was posted by Ivan. I'm sure he has done enough testing to verify his statement.

"There just isn't any more...
10 hp? No way, not on this bike....
Showing more power by leaning the fueling so it's mixture is correct on the dyno just shows what the power is/would be when the bike is actually moving.
Using that leaner mixture on the road is too lean and will slow the bike down.... Knowing how rich it's supposed to be on the dyno will give the correct result on the road.
Leaning the mixture will show almost 10 hp on the dyno (on this bike).... This bike has a pretty heavy ram air compensation in the upper gears due to it's having to deal with a 200 mph wind blast, so naturally there is a nice gain (as much as 8-10 hp) ON THE DYNO by leaning it out."

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the flash. Improvements in other places, but I'm dubious of the horsepower results on dyno after talking to a few people that have WAY more knowledge about this. If you enjoy the ride, don't let the negativity tarnish it.

Like I said, if you got numbers you got numbers. If you got dyno results, you got toilet paper.

Bumping a older thread because I am bored.

* Last updated by: boxtradamus on 10/16/2015 @ 10:01 PM *