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Then we can shoot the shit more after that gets old about those two little snails we discussed! :)))

Making my blue jeans feel tight just thinking about it!

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Sorry to run off topic but I am thinking SNAKE OIL will make an amazing name for a team running in the Canon Ball Run!

* Last updated by: Wolfman on 8/31/2013 @ 3:30 PM *

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Are the injectors big enough to squirt the amount of e85 that is needed to make big power?

Boys if we had E-85 in Canada I would be all over it. Yes they can do it if you ramp up the fuel pressure,, depending of course how far you push it. Thinking No if you stay stock as most E-85 guys report a needing 30% increase of fuel when making the switch in there Turbo set ups.

Big day for us gear heads,,,Here B a few pics. 1000 words and I can't type lol

Exactly, there should be no HOT button here. Getting mad drives people with knowledge under ground and then No One will post. bike land all over again.
I hope everyone read this... twice.
Stick with it double R. I'm buying a Wooly in December... probably will need to call you then.

Good show Hagrig. There will be so many people flashing some one is going to be charged for indecent exposure lol Still waiting for Hubs Flash to come on line. Look forward to hearing about your first ride after flash,,, she is a awesome bike once corks are out.

Romes...you have to do any engine upgrades for that system?Stronger parts I mean?Friggin looks way cool Bro...WAY;)

Omg Romes!!! That car is amazing!!!! That turbo is sick too!

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Sorry to run off topic but I am thinking SNAKE OIL will make an amazing name for a team running in the Canon Ball Run!

When dis run taking place ?

Romes...you have to do any engine upgrades for that system?Stronger parts I mean?Friggin looks way cool Bro...WAY;)

No all stock, may do a thicker head gasket but for now just fitting parts. Can't decide if full exhaust or the bust me dump pipe.

Omg Romes!!! That car is amazing!!!!

Sure is. 1945 olds. Motor is a 455 with a 871 blower 900 plus hp. Crazy power. LOUD too lol My ears are still ringing. Top car was a 69 Fury. That build of his is very rare $$$$$$$$$$$$$

So what's a Turbo like that run for the 14R?Could I do the install myself?My dual Yoshis would have to go...yes?And a particular muffler installed?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 8/31/2013 @ 9:28 PM *

So what's a Turbo like that run for the 14R?Could I do the install myself?My dual Yoshis would have to go...yes?And a particular muffler installed?

Grn this is a home made kit. It's much cheaper this way but truly a pain in the ass to build. A kit you can install yourself as a direct bolt on is 5500 dollars. Richards kit 260 hp 145 torque. over 100 ftlbs at 5500 RPM,,, now that's a wow.

I've see you playing around I'm sure you could do it.

Well...those numbers to me are hard to 'feel'....the price sounds okay...but what do those numbers mean in street performance...I mean...can ya ride the thing and not get yerself killed.You know...have fun and not blow it up and such?This torque at 5500...you can roll that on and get a smooth WAY stronger pull safely?What's that power do with the trans and such...she'll shift the same?TC will work?ABS?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 8/31/2013 @ 9:47 PM *

Well...those numbers to me are hard to 'feel'....the price sounds okay...but what do those numbers mean in street performance...I mean...can ya ride the thing and not get yerself killed.You know...have fun and not blow it up and such?

Grn that kit is truly a all street kit. 4lbs of boost only, Perfect. To give you a idea I run 9lbs currently some times creep to Ten. 15,000 clicks on her all abuse and still going great. My blow up is on it's way as I keep pushing,,,,, But I can't help myself. You don't sound like that guy to me but boooost has away of messing with your mind lol

I was reading those comments over on Bikeland a minute ago about the Richard Pepper Turbo.Sounds awfully.....'intense' trying to keep em tuned right so ya don't break somethin?Am I right?...would it need continuous service and tunes to keep it working correctly and reliably?And what about fuel?91 work okay?OR 87 if you had to to get home or whatever?I think your Flash has gotten to me;)The bike is so much different now...and then to change to a turbo?OMG...WHAT am I thinkingLOL!....seriously though...that kind of power does sound like fun...and what about the smoothness?Like factory?Like your flash?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 8/31/2013 @ 10:06 PM *

Well now...this is taking an interesting turn;)What has Justin unleashed on youse guys?I was only musing about a turbo...though it would be cool...I'm afraid the overall cost in keeping things 'unexploded' wouldn't justify having one...I hate getting strandedLOL!

I leave TC off anyway...I mean...I don't think I'm up to riding quite as radical as you C...one too many wrecks I guess...and one too many losses of my beautiful birds;)...I'd rather control the slip slidin stuff with my wrist at this point in my life...which MAY be short with THIS bike now....IDKLOL!!!

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 8/31/2013 @ 10:35 PM *

"I am askin cause I am lost"...well....if you're lost...I must be...brain deadLOL!I mean....you guys will get this sorted...sa'll good.I can't handle any more power right now....I'm still finding out what this big girl will do....and tryin not to ...you know....shorten my riding daysLOL!

I really don't know what Romes flash actually did to make this bike perform and feel like it does...it's just totally different...really...it is.I love it.Nothing like the 'other' flashes I've had over the two years of having the 14R.I think one of the biggest changes has been the feel of this bike now...the way it corners and holds a curve...while increasing speed and no loss of grip...it's really different than the stock config...even though the suspension hasn't been changed except for me adding a bit of preload and tweaking the comp/rebound a bit...like I always have.It does NOT feel like the same bike I picked up in February....not at all;)Hard to believe an ECU flash could have such a cool affect on this bike...but it does...

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 8/31/2013 @ 10:56 PM *

Yeah, I can't stop looking at that big beautiful turbo hangin off there, the waste gate, the sound, I can hear the boost bleeding off, PFUHHHSSSSHHHH!
Wicked crazy sexy bike!

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Could it be the garage is in a dust free vacuum and the bikes never been used?

I think this is as clean as mine has ever been.

Like those pipes. I am a Yorshimura die hard loyalist. Yosh goes on all my bikes!
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* Last updated by: Wolfman on 9/1/2013 @ 7:29 AM *

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Have you found a heat issue in the #4 cylinder because of the headers bend thingy. Using WIDEBAND right? So how do you rectify the ignition numbers in the ecu so that the power commanders fuel numbers don't cross extrapolate causing excess heat as the TC interrupts ignition in synch with that pesky false fuel # like it does to try to control excessive wheel speed sensor disparity? I'm curious as heck because I have a feeling boost can be better accounted for by extrapolating the ram air algorithm by say 4% for 6lbs. Then run combustion off ignition and the boost is accounted for 8000 times per second. I think. I Don't know. I am Asking??? Haven't played with a turbo on the R.
Fuckin beeeeeeeYOOOOTTTIFULLLL CAR!!!!!! What I worry about is too rough ignition interrupt causing momentary harsh combustion causin everyone to just leave tc off under boost. But if the ignition interrupt numbers are allowed to smooth out and the boost is being mathatically correlated off that ram air algorithm you should get a nice long linear boost burn in mode 1 if ya smooth out the neighborin fuel cells equally. Dang, but that's hard to do with those PC #'s crowding up all the number blocks. You can smooth the fuel in the PC, but its still independent of the ignition leaving TC unmodulatable essentially.

C there is so many different approaches to the same goal it is very hard to answer those questions as we are all too new to the play inside Mr, ECU. Can it be done, well, I'm sure it is possible but my grade six math was never the best back in my school days and by the time we adjust for the changes in AFR playing with boost would = Boom.

Here is a example, give the math some thought in the ECU,,, It's not Easy as there is to many varibles.

My current set up I run minus 26% in my fuel cells off boost(13.8 AFR)

Coming into boost plus 45% in the fuel cells At 40% throttle position.(12.3AFR)

80% TPS plus 30% in the fuel cells (11.8 AFR)

Wide open plus 22% fuel cells(11.8)

Now there is a head scratcher

Now timing comes into play.

In the bottom I run 4 degrees of advance tappering of to stock settings then dropping down to minus 5% at wide open.

Now we have to add in street cruzzing AFR #'s for 8% throttle position highway speeds for great gas mileage on the long hauls. Now here is where it gets tricky boost creeps in at 5000 RPM, now AFR must also be mapped for the incoming hot air. And all the while your fuel pressure in ramping back and forth from 42 psi to 90 Psi depending on boost.

I have been working all the math slowly to equal Zero in my power commander wide band by playing in the ECU but it is very slow going. But yes is possible. Not plug and play from a math point of view.
Now I know to some it's sounds like simple Math, But I'm not the man to jump into anything to quickly. AFR rules the roost around these parts and with Boost she does not like to be fucked with.

My way lately has gone back to keeping it simple. I went overboard in the beginning in my study of these ZX-14's but In the end I had to come back or go nuts. I had wires cut every where 3 bar map sensors plugged switches for dual maps you name it. In the END none of it was needed in these street kits. To much time watching the big boys can cost us little guys lots of doe ray me, needlessly IMO. Keep It Simple.

Now please don't get me wrong I'm talking about street kits only. 500 hp bikes totally different story.

How I do it now is to data log 02 And concentrate on a clean AFR. What this has taught me is, what looks good in the math does not always work the AFR #'s but do I care about the math or AFR ??? Answer Cheat the math.

With these street kits the AFR line comes with it, Simple. All the issue I play with as tuner most will need not worry about. Some knowledge of basic AFR is nice but a simple gauge on the dash can give you the alarm if needed.

Here is some pics of how I run my rolling dyno. The study never sleeps.

* Last updated by: Romans on 9/1/2013 @ 9:01 AM *

This was a great read ..I have run my bike with just about every combo , flashed , not flashed ,flash one and flash two , flies in flies out ..I have had the flies in and out so many times it is not funny any more ..Brock slugger bike ran the best numbers with them out , not because it made more HP with them out but because Tyron was having problems with the flies in holding 3500 at staging .. With them out he could hold it steady at 3500 making it easier to stage ..I ran my best numbers ( MPH and ETs) with flies out , I had no problem holding it at 5500 in staging with the flies in or out .. My bike for me just feels better and runs better with the flies out .. As far as flashes go I did pick up just a bit with the flash , not a great deal but it did pick up .. The Rev limiter moved up helped me for sure , shifting at 11200 the bike picked up MPH and also made it possible to save one shift in the 1/4 mile .. Now this doesn't add power but the fact I don't have to turn off the T/C every time I start the bike was worth the price of the flash .. Little things add up and if you add four or five little things you end up with a pretty good gain in ET and MPH . When I first got my bike I had nothing but a pipe and ran a stack of 8.52 passes .. With the help from the flash and P/C and mapping I ran a stack of high 8.40s ..With some gear changes 8.47 ..Added BST wheels 8.43 .. All things added up to almost a 10th of a second ..Doesn't sound like much does it ? Well the faster you go the harder it is to find and extra half a tenth of a second ..Speed cost and more speed cost more .

Is there more ET and MPH to be found by playing with the ECU ? I'm sure there is.. Will there be a magic button in the ECU that will give you 10 HP ? Most likely not .. Fine tuning your bike for great drivability ? I say yes ..But since drag racing or top speed racing happens at mostly 100% throttle , well you get my point ..

I think what you guys are doing with this flashes is very cool , the more people doing this the more we all learn . Busa guys have this all figured out , it's time we zx14 guys do to .. I will tell you a flashed ECU ( fuel tune ) is much better than a P/C tune ..In my mind a P/C is a patch at best , it's much better to do it in the ECU in real time ..

One last thing about the flies ..True the bike with flies in place on the dyno seems to make 2 to 3 HP more , but Ram air is not in the mix on a dyno ..Judging from my MPH tests ( Flies in VS flies out ) flies out wins with my highest MPH @ 164.95 .. I see no down side to removing the flies , drivability on the street to me seems the same to me and at the track my 60 foot times are better as well as my MPH and ET ..I'll say it again , it's not a big gain but a gain is a gain ..Remember I'm at the point with my bike where I'm looking for hundredths of a second not tenths ..
Fall is coming and I'm back to stock wheel base and looking to set a stock wheel base zx14R record . I'll be at the track once or twice a week as soon as it cools down a bit ..If you guys think you have a flash that is the best thing next to sliced bread I would be happy to test it back to back same day , same track ..I could be wrong but I don't think the difference will be any at all ..I could be wrong but still willing to try it ..I will also be testing Guhls E85 flash ..I had tried it and it did ( butt dyno ) seem stronger but was unable to prove it because of bad track prep ..

* Last updated by: Smokinzx14 on 9/1/2013 @ 9:09 AM *

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Hi Smokin;)Glad to hear ya post...keep on rollin baby!Win!

Man when smoking speaks( Lee Pritchard) I listen. END OF STORY. Thanks lee, this clears up a lot with the whole flies in flies out and who has the best flash. After reading this I am done worrying about modding the bike anymore, it runs great for me why change anything anymore. Time to stop worrying about ever lil fuckin thing and enjoy the bike and just ride it!!!!! For me personally the smoothness is perfect while cruising, and when racing so far it's held up just fine. Thanks Lee. I think the problem with being on forums all the time is you start thinking to much about what we can get the bike to do better, instead of just riding one of the best all around bikes ever built. Time to give a break to reading for awhile and just ride the bike and live life to the fullest. Enjoy fellows!!!!!

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 9/1/2013 @ 10:09 AM *

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C there is so many different approaches to the same goal it is very hard to answer those questions as we are all too new to the play inside Mr, ECU. Can it be done, well, I'm sure it is possible but my grade six math was never the best back in my school days and by the time we adjust for the changes in AFR playing with boost would = Boom.

Okay!!!! Okay!
I can SEE all of that! Everything you are saying sir!! What you are taking about is what I consider a constant in math, time. We really should discuss this together privately Romans. I have some info that I know would HELP you. I would be willing to share that anytime man! I think what you are doing under boost load building your Zero map is awesome Romes!!! There are mathematical formulae, that let me take that constant time, and use it to determine things. I can explain waaayyyyy better in person sir.

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