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Thread: Dyno Room

Created on: 08/12/09 12:00 AM

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b00fa


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dyno tune results
05/15/09 9:10 PM

Hey guys can you post your dyno tune results here so we can compare results, I'll be first here's mine


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I ride a 2008 ZX14 SE
PCV with Autotune
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K&N air filter
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GenMar Risers
Rizoma Grips
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RE: dyno tune results
05/28/09 2:21 PM

Kinda hard to read the chart, but it made 172.5 hp @ 10059rpm and 101.69 ft. lb. @ 7973. The only mods are a Yoshi 4:1 and PCIII. A larger pic is here. I can say that this bike is definitely more bike than I am a rider!


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2008 ZX-14
Yoshi 4-1
PCIII w/custom map
Speedo Healer

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Slowninja



Location: Oklahoma city

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RE: Dyno Room
08/13/09 8:48 PM

Didn't get a printout, 194 rwhp 110 lb/ft of torque.

Will re-dyno in the "off season"



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RE: Dyno Room
08/17/09 9:09 AM

I am unfortunately technologically challenged!!! If someone can give me their e-mail address I can post my dyno results (!) I will try and send to BG and possibly he can do it?


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bgordon

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RE: Dyno Room
08/17/09 10:32 AM

Anything you need help posting, you could send as an attachment to an email to admin@zx14ninjaforum.com.

Thanks. -bg

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Hub


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RE: Dyno Room
08/17/09 11:19 AM

http://www.aimag.com/forums/harley-tuner-high-performance/6246-how-cam-timing-effects-power.html

Hey!?!?! It's a dyno chart cheat-ear me out...

'5° of separation' might be an aim for a number your blueprints!

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Slowninja



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RE: Dyno Room
08/26/09 7:08 PM

Have i ever mentioned, i love my APE adjustable cam gears ;)



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8.28 at 173 on nitrous

Back to stock for 2011.
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bgordon

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RE: Dyno Room
08/31/09 8:43 AM

These are some dyno charts from harleyzx14:

-bg


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HBguy



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RE: Dyno Room
09/20/09 10:33 PM

I have a question and this might be the best place for it.

I've read a bit about the flies removal and the dyno result that showed a high a/f ratio around 3500 rpm. I question the accuracy of this because the source has a vested interest in showing a need for a power commander. are there any other dyno results that show this phenomenon?

It seems unreasonable to me that the 06/07 zx14's have this severe and obvious defect from the factory.

Thanks

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Hub


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RE: Dyno Room
09/21/09 7:30 AM

The power commander is just something you use to add more power. Street wise, you do not need the commander. During cruise, the rpm will run within that 2,7K to 3.2K range. Here is where they spike the high a/f to somewhere around 17.1 a/f like the car you drive. This is perfect economy cruise mode. Still cool running in this ratio all day long. Think about it.

You have the best of both worlds if you remain stock with flies out. Reason being, you ride in a sustained state, the air has balanced out where the air does not know it is blowing past a fly or not. So, if you rode real slow through the throttle, you would act the subthrottle actuator or the stepper motor to follow your throttle hand.

Because the bike has that hidden torque behind the slower actuator feeding that air, you feel a more controlled throttle. If you remove the flies, you have a more instant event of the air moving into the engine. The faster the cause, the quicker the effect.

If you imagine how slow you can make air move, like the intake air sensor being sucked from the intake tube off the throttle body. Now, you visually slow the crank to an idle; visually rotate the throttle position sensor acting like a room light switch in rheostat mode. Imagine you rev the engine sitting on the side stand. Did not that engine take the fuel and air as fast as you could twist the throttle?

Then, if that fast a speed at the hand grip moved the engine to a crisp ride up the rpm range, what makes you think you need a commander if the bike can monitor the throttle speed you give it? Whenever you read about 'lag,' it is never mentioned once the flies are removed.

If there is a mention of air lag/lean, then are you not watching the faster air event taken place? You are about to move the rpm run up to the 17:1 area. Past that rpm range, then it is off to the even a/f dyno line across the rpm scale. I need to be really fuel lean to cause a lot of damage. I need to have a lot more air to become so lean the nose dives like a carb sucking more air than gas out of the jet tube. It's air drop sends the a/f past the scale and off the chart in the 20's? Street wise, I may be hitting those all the time. You set the TPS at WOT, there is your power commander feeding more fuel in an instant!

If you are stock, accelerate away [hard], yes, there will be moment that the scheduling of fuel will leave that cruise lean, begin to richen up on the throttle apply. If you power commander more fuel, you might over rich what is too rich to begin with. This bike is tuned just right for peak performance as that preset package [all in stock trim]. I have 8 thousand miles on my subless bike. Hammered during the day in many WOT applied conditions. I have heard knocking at low speeds. I have applied the throttle too many times where there is a slight fuel lag from cruise, where it is less than a second the lag was felt and the bike is on it's way in a big way.

I will tell you that the power commander is not needed with flies removed. There are a lot of PC-Less 14's with subs removed and no one is hurting engines that I know of. Especially mine! You will have engine knock if the heat is hot enough upon start up. And I must state that in that knock condition, you have to remember how you did it, because it happens rarely. Maybe if I ran premium with a higher octane, I might not hear that knock on start up to often. Cooler days does it knock? Think not if it hardly does it with the heat of the day.

Your 'defect' is nothing more than the speed of the subthrottle's open/ratio programming. The later models increased the sub speed opening, because in the beginning, the factory thought wise to control the power. Customer complaint about lag during passing ability can upset your timing and distance with a little bit more calculations needed. Without the subs, you narrow it down to hearing yourself talk to you and say, "That was over quick.' 'Since that car is still coming dis way and it's been minutes since I passed that car over a half hour ago is I'm in knee brass K corn husker country and can see for miles the cars are nothing now is pass it along!"



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HBguy



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RE: Dyno Room
09/22/09 9:34 PM

Thanks Hub. I didn't really ask my question right (in hind sight) but you answered my question and addressed the concern I had. What you said makes absolute sense.

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Gawn


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RE: Dyno Room
09/23/09 6:21 PM

Just got mine dynoed today finally LOL. It made 187.10 HP and 111.45 TQ



10.30@141 So far :(

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9secondsflat



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RE: Dyno Room
03/24/10 3:29 PM

111 tq....sorry I dont buy it...1397 busa's with 12-1 slugs are in that league...

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RE: Dyno Room
04/24/10 7:44 AM

This is mine (Kent=me) and my brothers dyno run. I had the guy check my A/F cruising at 60-80mph too. I didn't get him to print it out.



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90 CBR 1000 (red, white and blue)
85 Kawasaki 900 Eliminator (black)
81 Yamaha 465 IT
78 Yamaha 650 XS
76 Kawasaki 250 KX
76 RM 250 Suzuki
74 Yamaha 360 enduro
74 Suzuki 750gt 3cyl
71 Yamaha 200
70 Kawasaki 100


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moto


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RE: Dyno Room
05/03/10 7:04 PM

my bike dynoed 179.25 and 104 sumth'n torque. may post it later.


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Sidey


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RE: Dyno Room
05/10/10 2:35 AM

Mine dynoed at 177.3, didn't get a print out of the torque though



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RE: Dyno Room
05/22/10 8:41 AM

My 14 was dyno'd at 184RWHP and 112ft/lbs torque but I don't believe it. We're talking flies out, 98RON fuel, DNA Air Filter and stock cans. No other mods. The engine also feels "soft". I suspect it was a friendly Dyno. Does anyone know the Db figure for a Muzzy M10 at around 4500RPM? I have a system that I will consider putting back on the bike to get a harder feel (on the motor boys, don't get excited) but it is almost certainly too loud for our boys in blue.

I don't really want to pull the motor out and start modding it just yet. I'm going to ride the bike to Phillip Island MotoGP in October (4000 plus Kms each way). Then I'll maybe think about it.



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ozjohnno



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RE: Dyno Room
07/03/10 12:18 AM

I went on a forum dyno day today, just for laughs

I had pammys 48000km service done yesterday so I figured the timing was perfect and it only cost me $20

The old girl came in at 155hp, stock as a rock, no mods at all.

The guy then tried to sell me a power commander.

I think I would rather spend the $1000 or so it was going to cost me for the upgrade on my suspension.....

it was a fun day

OZ



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RE: Dyno Room
08/31/10 3:23 AM

G'day all tis done 2 hrs ago FINALY FOUND WHERE THEY INSTALLED IT TODAY


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RE: Dyno Room
10/27/10 2:43 PM

Just got mine back. Specs: full Yoshi, flys out, PCIII, home done port & polish, APE degreeable cam gears, thiner head gasket.

Red line is the new tune, blue is the old tune.



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ozoscar83301


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RE: Dyno Room
02/08/11 9:51 AM

1st and only run on the Geico dyno drag said 165hp to the wheel. dont know if its the same as regular dyno but close enough,one run was 169.3 rwhp


* Last updated by: ozoscar83301 on 8/26/2011 @ 12:03 AM *



09 ZX-14 SE
K&N AIR FILTER
PCV
AUTO TUNE
SPEEDOHEALER
TWO BROS SLIPON
LOWERD 2"
STRECHED 7.5"
SPROCKT -1F & +2R
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justins07zx10



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RE: Dyno Room
02/09/11 8:39 AM

jbird I havea question about your cam degrees... going to degree mine in the next few weeks.pls email me at jmcbee@sccsc.edu



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PcIII
BMC Race
Full S/S Muzzy M10
Scotts Damper
G.I Pro w/tre
Z/G doubble bubble
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RE: Dyno Room
03/03/11 7:51 AM

Voo Doo exhaust. PCIII

HP 174.3
Torque 104



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Hellmutt



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RE: Dyno Room
03/07/11 1:49 PM

I still haven't dumped my dyno results onto photobucket to post up, but Brock got mine to 192.77hp @ 114.49 ftlb.



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RE: Dyno Room
04/12/11 5:21 PM

got the 14 commanded and tuned today at Adams performance, in Mooresville,NC with pc5, and full yoshi system. 176 hp.! im very happy with it.



2010 SE ZX14.

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