Dyno day with the H2. Very cool machine.

Well, we know it's not Somefun's.
It's still got the tail feathers on it...

Yawn, not very impressed. Because you can't buy the R parts and the aftermarket will be very slow to make parts for such a limited number of bikes you may not find much more horsepower for some time to come which makes this bike not built beyond belief!

There must be some SC sorcery going on in that engine! Those figures are not that much higher than the 10R and, especially the torque, way down on the 14 yet all the testers at Quatar were saying, for outright straight line speed and pull out of the corners it blew lighter 10R (and just about anything else for that matter) into the weeds? All I can assume is there must be some difference to the power the bike makes strapped to a dyno and what it makes or how it lays it down on the open road. I'm no expert on dyno testing but,IMO those dyno figures just wouldn't produce the sort of performance the hacks at Quatar were raving about.

Given the more intensive servicing the 2R requires it's clear that there must be way more stress on the engine than when it's in H2 road spec. Would many H2 owners really want to go that route even if 2R parts were available? JMO

Did you run the 14r? If so post a comparison...

Gearing, the H2 is geared short. Thats why it feels so strong off of corners. Period. Thats it. No mystery. No illusions. The H2 tops out at a relatively low top speed so it feels very strong below about 150mph, but beyond that, the 14R pulls away. I have now ridden the H2 HARD, and ridden it back to back and against the 14R, and did some real world side by side acceleration runs. Dont get me wrong, the H2 is a real beast below 150mph. The 14R is still King Kong. The dyno provides data. Numbers dont lie. The 14R has a deeper level of power.

The red lines are the HP and Torque numbers on a 14R, the blue numbers are the H2. At no point does the H2 make greater power, except past 11500rpm. In fact the 14R makes significantly more torque everywhere and greater HP throughout while maintaining the same if not greater top end numbers. Not trying to crush dreams here, just sharing the data. From idle to past 11000 rpm, the 14R has a power and torque advantage over the H2. Compare the hp and torque numbers at 8000 or 9000 rpm....
A simpler way to put it, if you run into an H2, gear down before smashing wot.

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I'm pulling my slip on off my 10R and the H2 and mocking up what it will look like when I'm done. I'm removing the cat back and installing an AKR slip on and making a link pipe. Then I'm off to see Don Guhl for the tune and de restricting..... I love my 14 but the fact is my 10R is quicker to 150 and the H2 makes my 10 look slow and that's in stock form. After the mods nothing has a chance.....

No dreams crushed here C...Glad you got some back to back performance numbers and real ride comparos.Sa'll good.Nice work there;)You mentioned about '150' and below.Well,that's where I ride.Usually.And also the rev limiter.I plan at some point to get mine raised.And possibly have the flies open and stay open in the right spots.A possible exhaust change maybe...if they come out with a nice quality one.

I can only say about mine as is.When I start to approach any corners,and you know how the roads are here,my H2 just sticks to the pavement,leans in really nicely,and glancing at my speedo it was doing well better than my 14.It surprised me actually not having that 'muscling' feeling that my 14 had.Yet I was adding throttle like never before.And I really wasn't even close to pushing her as I feel she could do.I love the feel of my bike.It is very different than my beloved 14.As it should be...it's basically a supersport.Not a monster 14.

You get this ECU figured out...I might be sending mine your way Bro!Thanks again for the post here...very good.

Exactly Grn! Believe me, I am not hating on it. I love riding the H2, handles freakin amazing and when in its range it is an absolute acceleration beast, the feel of the boost is addicting. Fantastic machines, different focus, thats all.

Now, if ya wanna see some dreams crushed, wait till I post the R1M sheet...

Yup...same here.Different focus.I'm simply having a lot of fun riding mine.Still have to go 'easy' on her until that 1k miles is over.I really like what Kawi did with the trans and all.Very nice.This suspension is great I think.Have NO plans on changing any settings with it.I ran my roads here where I rode my 14,and concentrated on the way both bikes dealt with the irregularities.Same bumps,same everything.This H2 actually outperformed my 14's suspension,which I really was surprised about.IDK what it is really.Maybe their setup?The bike weight?The shorter wheelbase?IDK.My overall impression on the ride quality I had to give the nod to the H2.But that's just me...someone else may feel totally opposite.I have to say...I didn't expect things to be as they are.I was wrong in my assumptions.I could ride this H2 all day and feel good at the finish.Same as the 14 really...just a different feel.

I have plans here on my next day(s) off...to get out and do the 'big loops' that I did with my 14.Hoping the weather co-operates.

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And possibly have the flies open and stay open in the right spots.

That says, Whyou, you, engineered the subs as the main throttle. There is no sort of faster opening per say of the 'new main' of the handcuffed TPS to sub; being the [subs are redesigned as the] mains opening via the actuator.

The TPS is inside that hump. No way you can speed up the TPS, right? You are the only speeder upper is the right wrist.

H2 = It's the Quickeripper Upper [getting to 202 faster]. Asswrite, someone hand me a napkin, I'm about to V-4 my SC is have both blades on one shaft. Blow me here, blow me the other direction... I have to stop, me trousers are hurting; Cody is just itching for a throttle like that!

"Now, if ya wanna see some dreams crushed, wait till I post the R1M sheet..."

LOL!!Well,what these plates do is start to close down at 10.5 or so...there are no secondaries.Resetting the plates to stay open is in the ECU settings.Like the 14.That's what I meant.So it can continue to build power on up to 13.5.Possibly 14K,depending on whether a guy really wants to go there...which I probably wouldn't use or want...but 13.5 is something I would be willing to have.This engine can do that safely.So that's one thing I'm definitely gonna go for.I had her up to 10K on at least two occasions for less than a second.I didn't feel any loss of power...I probably didn't hit that rpm spot where they start to close.Once broken in...I WILL see what she does up there.

It really doesn't need any plate opening adjustment in the bottom end.It pulls just fine.Right off idle.

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All yall stop gazing into the navel and start riding!

I can't...gotta go pay the bills.Now TOMORROW...that's MY 'bike day"....;)

I posted a few months back (to a great backlash of hate) a 14r with a few performance mods would eat an H2. I also said, I'd rather a 14r with spray or tune for thousands less. Now all of sudden some quantitative data suggests the same. I said I will jump on the H2 when it makes 250 hp and when it doesn't look like a swiss army knife. And more hate poured in. Where are all the haters now???
Ok ready for the onslaught. Ready, set, post.

As for the R1. When those bug eye lights are removed and redesigned for 2016. That's when - I'll open my wallet.

[quote]The red lines are the HP and Torque numbers on a 14R, the blue numbers are the H2. At no point does the H2 make greater power, except past 11500rpm. In fact the 14R makes significantly more torque everywhere and greater HP throughout while maintaining the same if not greater top end numbers. Not trying to crush dreams here, just sharing the data. From idle to past 11000 rpm, the 14R has a power and torque advantage over the H2. Compare the hp and torque numbers at 8000 or 9000 rpm....
A simpler way to put it, if you run into an H2, gear down before smashing wot.
/quote]

Hmmm...that's interesting. Those graphs certainly show a big difference in power delivery right where you want it for the road. So change down a gear on the 14 or maybe even gear it slightly lower and it'll still out gun a H2 even with the it's weight penalty?

The R1m is probably the most track focused road bike produced to date and has so far cleaned up on track tests against it's rivals thanks to it's all-round engine, suspension and electrons package. That was obviously Yamaha's aim from the drawing board. Do good race bikes make good road bikes?

Some of my brothers here are STILL not getting this concept for the H2.Guys...it's a street bike.Specifically built and designed to be in it's own niche.Which it is.Whether it 'kills' a 14,or an R1..or whatever is NOT it's purpose.All I can say,is ride one for a hundred miles.See how it feels.You think I'd come up with this stuff because I 'bought one'?No way.I'd have ditched it right there after the first ride if I felt another way about it.

You have to ride this bike to start to appreciate what it is.It's to me,overwhelming.Honestly.I don't care about beating ANYTHING around.Not that it won't.This isn't a contest over our beloved 14's.Maybe just try to keep this in perspective here?It is NOT a 14.Wasn't built to be like a 14.And it isn't.

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^^toally agree. I have a zx 12r for the same reason. It is a cool bike and a cool bike to ride fast. I didn't buy it to challenge the top food chain. I bought it for me. Well, at least I getcha 100% Greenie.

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Yup...totally feel what yer sayin Wolfmaster.As I said before...I had an 04 zx12R.I LOVED that bike.We were inseparable.

I'm feelin that same connection with my new bird.Just great.

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All interesting but the answer lies in the graph and as I said go to ninjah2.org and read guhl post that after 11k rpm the throttles are at about 35% open and this supercharger type makes more power as rpms increase. So if you interpolate the graphs and figure with an open exhaust this model should be good for at least 250 hp with a ecu mod to keep the throttles open and more fuel of course. It will eat your 14 for lunch. Now it doesn't have the torque for low rpm but watch out when the revs come up. There again wheelies will have to be controlled so a different swing arm may be in order or maybe a wheelie bar but it will make an insane top end.

http://www.ninjah2.org/forum/tuning/4930-work-h2-h2r-ecu-finally-some-facts.html