Beautiful bike! Hard to believe its a tourer.

H2 SX

* Last updated by: alg8er on 11/8/2017 @ 10:18 AM *

The black one looks better than the green one. But I def don't love it.

Im not sure why, but i really like the black.

Im looking very very seriously. Just can't get past the fact the ZX 14 is a perfect fit for my 6' 2" Inch frame. And there is that hefty price tag that comes along with this new bike. Maybe just build another Turbo 14 and be happy.

For the love of God, Romans...you must come back.

This is getting to be like Ropeback Mountain with the tuning info.

...even worse because you only give one clue and then disappear for a year.

...if you were here on a regular basis, you'd know that you missed a killer deal on Green's H2 + CF fairings, Akra pipe and other stuff. He'll have his H2 SX in a week or so. Traded in the 2015 H2.

...even worse because you only give one clue and then disappear for a year.

Lol, Rook I Never go to far. It's just with the ZX14 you guys know Everything. This bike has been around for some time now. All that can be said has been written in these forum threads. All new comers only need to head for the search feature and all is told. Most of the Bull Shitters have been spotted and sorted out so I have lost my purpose lol.

..if you were here on a regular basis, you'd know that you missed a killer deal on Green's H2 + CF fairings, Akra pipe and other stuff. He'll have his H2 SX in a week or so. Traded in the 2015 H2.

Alright, Now I'm digging,,,, Link please. now where is that search button lol

It's just with the ZX14 you guys know Everything.

No, I think wes guys have forgotten a lot of things over the years. With flashing, nobody gives a crap about tuning anything anymore. Nobody installs nitrous or progressive controllers (I got zilch when I asked about that here and at zx14r.com), nobody builds there own turbo anymore. There are no engine building threads. There's a guy asking about porting right now and I'll bet no one with any experience will be around to answer him. Damned if I didn't have to figure out how to install oil gauges almost all by myself and what I figured out is that oil temp can't be measured with a sensor in any kind of an adapter, it has to have a hole drilled in the pan...or somewhere in a constant stream of oil. Trial and error is a hard way to learn. You ever try to screw an adapter into that oil light port? That was weeks of figuring out how to do it and nobody had a clue. But now I do.

Most of what I have learned recently has come from online searches and that never answers all the questions.

To many owners are satisfied with a stock 14. I remember the old days when there were always a few threads going about all sorts of cool mods.

I sometimes feel like I know more about this stuff than most people around here and that is a little cumbersome. I really don't know that much. It will still be years before I know a lot. I've come a long way but there is a long, long road in front of me.

Alright, Now I'm digging,,,, Link please. now where is that search button lol

http://zx14ninjaforum.com/messages.cfm?threadid=98AF2D49-CE60-658B-0D6F33C33B2C5A96

To many owners are satisfied with a stock 14.

First, the stock 14 is an absolute beast! I love the fact that I didn't have to modify it to a) thrill myself every time I turn the throttle, and b) be straight-line faster than all my friends right outta the box <-- that's what I do as I leave behind!

Second, current generations care more and more about their smart phone and social media than anything as silly as a motorcycle

It is an attractive bike. The black reminds me of a Katana and I prefer the green. The other option is buy 14R and put it on a diet. 75 lbs is doable and now you have a machine with more torque, similar hp, and less weight than H2 SX. The single sided swingarm is pretty sweet and it would look nice on 14r.
I could never wrap my mind around nitrous for a streetbike. The initial cost might be low, but filling bottles constantly will add up over time and the 20 second high followed by letdown seems akin to what crackhead experiences.

* Last updated by: knovikov on 12/30/2017 @ 9:04 AM *

^^^yeah but cheap, quick and easy is hard to turn your back on. I still haven't found out where I'm going to get the gas or how much it costs.

"If your system is jetted for 100 horsepower it will use 0.8 lbs of nitrous for every 10 seconds of usage. Q. How much does it cost to get nitrous refills? A. The cost of nitrous oxide varies with the region of the country, however a general estimate would be between $3.50-5.00 per pound."

That's gonna add up. I'll go turbo eventually but for a quick kick in the pants, I can afford $5 every now and then.

Romes says:"Im looking very very seriously. Just can't get past the fact the ZX 14 is a perfect fit for my 6' 2" Inch frame"...your 6'2" frame will fit perfectly on this new bike.This baby is gonna shock a lot of 14 owners I do believe."more solid and more refined' than the H2...gotta say...my H2 was extremely solid feeling.Like it was one piece.If this new one is MORE than that,it's gonna be soo sweet.(my H2 was more comfy and smooth than my 14r).So I think I know what that reviewer is saying.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 12/31/2017 @ 7:39 AM *

Can anyone see Grn's pics? I think your photo collection is now among the many Photobucket hostages.

First, the stock 14 is an absolute beast! I love the fact that I didn't have to modify it to a) thrill myself every time I turn the throttle, and b) be straight-line faster than all my friends right outta the box

True enough but there are so many cool things you can do that might make you go a tiny bit faster if you don't mind spending what the bike cost you.

To many owners are satisfied with a stock 14.

First, the stock 14 is an absolute beast! I love the fact that I didn't have to modify it to a) thrill myself every time I turn the throttle, and b) be straight-line faster than all my friends right outta the box <-- that's what I do as I leave behind!

No argument here. But for some of us gearheads we see the bike as only the beginning to something that was always meant to be. For me personally I first look at theses bikes as a impressive piece of artwork. Then in my head I chisel down to what the bike was always meant to be before the world we live strapped emissions rules upon us. Goal, that 14 motor unleashed the way the Engineers always wanted it to be. There is a Big Big Difference between the two worlds of thinking. For us Starts with pipes and grows. Fuel Maps, Timing Maps, Secondary throttle maps, cams etc. Only after all the corks are out and the engine runs the way it was always wanted to can we stop.

Stock Bike versus corks out is our viewpoint.

Power Adders is stage two of wanting "More Power Captain"

It is an attractive bike. The black reminds me of a Katana

I thought the same thing

That's gonna add up. I'll go turbo eventually but for a quick kick in the pants, I can afford $5 every now and then.

Rook if you don't get that Nos button up and running soon I'm coming over to steal your bike. Do the install and return it.... Get er done. You have been talking about it for so long... Whats stopping you ?????

Turbo kit Can be installed in one day, Two if your not that guy. Just don't run the Gen 1 timing map. Same for NOS. Follow this word of advice above all else. I know I keep repeating this but if Max compression stoke moves to Top Dead center with the dynamic compression due to power adders trouble will soon follow.

You have got me thinking about my baby girls. These are the only pics I have left of that bike. Photo Bucket Pricks

Can anyone see Grn's pics? I think your photo collection is now among the many Photobucket hostages.

So much has been lost for so many that may have needed the knowledge from all who posted. If a picture is a thousand words the info lost is unmeasurable. Unless we all pay the Ransom. Grrrrr

.your 6'2" frame will fit perfectly on this new bike.This baby is gonna shock a lot of 14 owners I do believe."more solid and more refined' than the H2...gotta say...my H2 was extremely solid feeling.Like it was one piece.If this new one is MORE than that,it's gonna be soo sweet.(my H2 was more comfy and smooth than my 14r).So I think I know what that reviewer is saying.

Don't Disagree. Should be one hell of a bike. The best Kawi has to offer. Just beating myself up asking the question why do I want this bike. If it's power alone,,, the 14 still a better place to start building. Ahhhhhhhh

Rook if you don't get that Nos button up and running soon I'm coming over to steal your bike. Do the install and return it.... Get er done. You have been talking about it for so long... Whats stopping you ?????

It's been in for three years! All but the bottles and the wiring.

I'm just getting familiar with electrical work. Working on my fancy switch panel right now (you gotta see that!). The bottles are no problem, I just need to make some adapters for my subframeless tail. Just a couple blocks of aluminum for spacers.

The timing map is the issue. I have your exact words copied in my files but I'm not sure what you mean by +X degrees, -X degrees..... you have +/-, advance retard, advancing is firing sooner which is less degrees but advancing should be +, I think not - (minus) ....but less sounds pretty much like a - to me....., retard is firing later which is more degrees. Gdam, I don't know how anyone adjusts timing without looking at a picture. Too many possible contradictions in terms. The simple thing would be for me to plug your numbers in and send you a pic of the table.

Admit it Romes, you are needed here. Of course, as mentioned in my message, I understand if you have other priorities. If my life weren't as it is, I would spend a lot less time on all of this too. The day me may come. Eventually, you need money to keep doing what you do or you do something else. (BTW, I'd be glad to PayPal you a consultation fee).

* Last updated by: Rook on 12/31/2017 @ 10:01 AM *

I have several questions about timing before I even adjust it. Most importantly, the +/- confusion. Also, why not a TRE?? You have perfect derestriction of timing in every single cell instead of a blanket adjustment with numbers that cover a pretty broad range of every gear map. Every gear map does not have the same timing so why adjust all the same?

Why not use a TRE to lock into one gear map to optimize safe use of nitrous? You use nitrous in at least 3,4,5 and 6, do you want to use the same adjustment for each of those gear maps? A TRE will lock it to one gear map. What adjustment would I use for nitrous if the timing was derestricted?

I know I keep repeating this but if Max compression stoke moves to Top Dead center with the dynamic compression due to power adders trouble will soon follow.

Apparently we know the general timing curve but does anyone know the exact adjustments for timing that the ECU applies, in effect creating the separate gear maps? Ivan knows but he won't tell of course. I'd sure like to know.

See Romes, there's a lot of questions and very few people that even know what the hell I'm talking about right now.

I might end up accepting that all the minutia doesn't matter enough to bother with but I would sure like to have an good idea of what the minutia is before I dismiss it as nonessential.

* Last updated by: Rook on 12/31/2017 @ 10:41 AM *

Rook, if you had a turbo in your garage, it would not be collecting dust. After your 20 seconds of nitrous fun is over and the thought of removing bottle, driving an hour to get it filled, then remounting gives you a headache. You will come to the realization that this was just a step closer to the promised land which is a turbo. That is the real reason why nitrous is on the backburner.