I haven't brought any back to life yet.

The only damaged ones that came into my hands are the ones that Rick sent to me.
(Still owes me the shipping money) :)

I have unlocked a bunch and flashed them with no problems...

Ivan

It would be nice if each flasher would state the failure rate they've seen.
I still think we're talking about the ant or two that runs in a circle amidst a hill of good workers.

I have posted this early in the thread.
I Have personally destroyed two ECU's. This was very early on when the software was in it's infancy. Both were California ECU's

One was for Gen1 ZX14 The other was Gen2 ZX14R. Both the Forum members have come forward and explained their experiences, No secrets.

Important to note, at the time when this was happening there was only one binfile for us to use. Unknowingly what we users were doing was installing a "Non" california Woolich spec Binfile into a Californian Bike. We had no way of knowing there was differences in the binfile. All is blind to us in that regard.

Only recently we Woolich software users were given a "New" second bin file to use for that exact same Californian ECU. This is a welcome addition. A little late for some of us but better late than Never.

We now have 21175-0715 HKG125 Bin file and the "NEW" californian 21175-0715_CA HKG125 This 3A none sense should Never happen Again. Which is really good news for me as I get goose Bumps every time I see one.

The bikes with 02 sensors were simply given bad flashes. Their ECU's are Fine.

* Last updated by: Romans on 7/5/2015 @ 9:00 AM *

The only damaged ones that came into my hands are the ones that Rick sent to me.
(Still owes me the shipping money) :)

What ???? who knew lol ? Go ahead bill my card. You should have it on file. I'm not cheap, you know this.

Hurts the head why we are giving post office Money mailing Bricks around. If Bricks, please place Gently in the dumpster. Watch closely to be sure cursed ECU does not climb out and follow you home. They can't be trusted.

I see the slightest signs of trouble I buy New.

I need a creamy flash and map to try for my L power mode switch. Anyone? ;)

Romans sent me one ECU so I could copy the tune he wrote , I flashed the ECU he sent me with the flash I had made for my bike and retuned it to him ..Guess what ? You got it tossed a 3a code ..That is the only ECU I killed ..I did have extra ECUs as spares for testing different flashes on my bike ...One ECU P/N 0714 I sent to a member here to try , he was having the Stutter problem in every gear 1 to 6 and he even had it with stock gearing .. His ECU had been to a few flash companies to fix the stutter problem with no luck .. So I sent him the 0714 ECU and it fixed his stutter problem ..Now he can run any gear combo and have no stutter problem ..The ECU I sent him was a different P/N than what came in his bike but it worked !!

So one bad flash from smoking ...You can write that down if you like ... :)

I will tell you I have never had or seen a bad flash from Romans , Don or Ivan ..I did have a bad one show up here from Ryan ..I was able to fix that one and it is in a bike and running good now ..

What ???? who knew lol ? Go ahead bill my card. You should have it on file. I'm not cheap, you know this.

Hurts the head why we are giving post office Money mailing Bricks around. If Bricks, please place Gently in the dumpster.

I tried to call you for 2 weeks with no answer and no way to leave a message :lol:
You were probably using your snowmobubble.

I don't keep anyone's card on file (even if they want me to)....

Guess you'll have to call me in person :)

Rick and everyone else,

It's not possible for a bad BIN file to cause physical damage.... Error codes and running issues for sure.

Put a proper file in it with proper equipment, and the codes will go away and all is normal again.

Ivan

* Last updated by: Ivan on 7/5/2015 @ 4:03 PM *

Hey guys just found out some interesting info on the ECU's. This just in my testing of my 0715 California ECU in my non California bike with a 0714 Non California ECU.

So I swap out ECU. Turn on key and I get the check engine light on. press button for error code and get Error 3A. Which if for purge valve failure.
So apparently CALIFORNIA on bikes have 2 parts installed that are not on NON-California bikes. Bike starts and seem to run fine.. idle, did seam to miss, ect. Note: I did not ride bike just let it run for a few minites.

1. There is actually a purge valve sensor on the bike located just above the idle speed sensor. This input is
hard wired to the ECU through the wiring harness.
2. There is also an emissions canister connected to the purge valve.
3. There is also an Immobilizer function available on some bikes.
4. Also effects ECU P/N 0717 SEA-B1 which I think is an ABS model with immobilizer function. Also hard wiered to ECU
5. There is also a California only and non-California option on the 0714 ecu.

I got these part numbers off of page 204 of the service manual.

If you look at the schemaics it will show this connection only on california specific bikes. So if you don't have this part and connection i doubt if the error can be turned off in the ECU???

I tried to call you for 2 weeks with no answer and no way to leave a message :lol:
You were probably using your snowmobubble.
I don't keep anyone's card on file (even if they want me to)....
Guess you'll have to call me in person :)

Yep my bad. No one calls my house phone unless they are trying to sell me windows,seal my drive way, cut the grass, Clean the chimney, clean my ducts etc. Stuck in Telemarketer Hell. No reason to have house phone anymore. I will call you now.

Rick and everyone else,
It's not possible for a bad BIN file to cause physical damage.... Error codes and running issues for sure.
Put a proper file in it with proper equipment, and the codes will go away and all is normal again.

Ivan

Ok, scratching ole Noodle Again. What is this "Physical Damage" U speak of. What did your software show you that mine did not. Error codes and running issues is what comes out of this 3A Code. I know of nothing else. Place a check mark in the 3A fix and bike will run. Down side is Some are left with no speedo.

Makes no difference really. At work when a chip has issue we just replace it. To often a embarrassing return service call lands on my table when a re flash of the same is performed. Not worth it. My bet is if you have or had ECU trouble your pain is not over.

If you look at the schemaics it will show this connection only on california specific bikes. So if you don't have this part and connection i doubt if the error can be turned off in the ECU???

The question remains, will the ECU work in a California Bike now that ECU is flashed to match that bike. I need to test this, just because. Good info.

Ok, scratching ole Noodle Again. What is this "Physical Damage" U speak of. What did your software show you that mine did not. Error codes and running issues is what comes out of this 3A Code. I know of nothing else. Place a check mark in the 3A fix and bike will run. Down side is Some are left with no speedo

If you send a clean file and the problem remains, means that the problem is not in the ROM... period.
There is no access to other parts on the board from the outside.

Turning the light off by disabling part of the self diagnosis is .... (you figure it out)

Ivan

Sounds to me like putting a check in the box for the 3A code in Woolich is like putting a piece of black electrical tape over the engine fault indicator light :)

[quotef you look at the schemaics it will show this connection only on california specific bikes. So if you don't have this part and connection i doubt California error can be turned off in the ECU??? 

The question remains, will the ECU work in a California Bike now that ECU is flashed to match that bike. I need to test this, just because. Good info.

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Rick so if all your doing is turning off the check box for the 3A code is it actually disabling the input for the purge valve that is hard wired to the California spec ecu??? Or just ment to turn off error code on display??
That is the real question?!? Just like with bikes with an O2 sensor. O2 sensor has to be bypassed or left installed to not cause error code or run correctly? ??
so even if you flash with non calirornia spec flash, there is still that hard wired sensor connection to the ecu. Maybe a resitor value to that connection to simulate sensor needed as a bypass?

Rick so if all your doing is turning off the check box for the 3A code is it actually disabling the input for the purge valve that is hard wired to the California spec ecu??? Or just ment to turn off error code on display??
That is the real question?!?

The warning Not to Use the 3A check box unless to disable 3A code tells all. This is Not A Repair. No going back to stock. Sorry ECU garbage.

Maybe a resistor value to that connection to simulate sensor needed as a bypass?

Faucet flow acts the analog and digital:

Sensor = This is a constant drip of many drips of input.
Resistor = This is a constant flow as if turned on half way is a 50 ohm resistor to 100% open is a 100 ohm resistor still says single number or single input, not a lot of different input numbers like a throttle position and all those positions equals a number sent are many or analog inputs.

Difference? One is a single number, the other sends many numbers. Replace many with a single? Can't be done. Why?

1. Connector is disconnected is no signal.
2. Short to ground is one signal.
3. Wire out of connector is no signal.

Install resistor as input:

"We take precautions:"
1. Connector is disconnected = bAckup system.
2. Short is a single out of range number which goes to = Backup.
3. Wire is not sending signal so none is it = baCup = ABC rules goes limp.