Rossi went way wide, stared him down TWICE and he sure did kick out at him, statement
from Marquez said the kick did hit his arm and brake lever, and caused the front end to
lock, and crash out, I would tend to believe marquez word over rossi, because of the
BS that rossi has been slinging for weeks, also rossi didn't even show up on the podium,

Again, keep looking at this video at the 20-25 second mark :

VIDEO HERE !!!!!!

I'm sorry. Look at the overhead shot. I don't see how you can call anything that happened a deliberate 'kick"
A kick would have knocked Winnerbin right off. Didn't happen. I don't condone what Rossi did, but he did not kick MM.

Mad

I give up, have a good one all, ride safe ....

The overhead doesn't look as brutal as the side view but it looks like a deliberate kick to me. This is where rossi should have been accelerating and he's slowing down to block Marquez. There's nothing wrong with stuffing a competitor in a corner but if you slow down to do it and then kick the bike......that looks deliberste. I clearly see Rossi turning his head to watch where Marquez is almost the whole time. I'd think he'd be watching the track and doing his best to open a gap between them but it looks like he's doing the opposite. I don't imagine it's ever permitted to kick another bike even if you think it's too close. Too close is racing but kicking is cheating. I think Rossi hoped to run Marque off the track but when that didn't happen, he made sure Marquez went off.

Hmm...well..that overhead does somewhat show a different 'perspective'.Rossi was trying to run him wide.And from that angle,it does look intentional for sure.F Rossi!

I just re-watched the race from a live recording on my dvr. There was a shot from the back of MM's bike facing forward. They showed it in slow motion, and I went through it frame by frame a few times. VR was definitely frustrated as evidenced by his hand wave, which tells me MM was fng with him. VR went wide to force MM to the outside, and both were visibly speeding and slowing for an advantage. MM looked like he was anticipating VR cutting to the inside, and started to turn in. VR kept his line, and MM cut into him slightly. I did see contact on VR's leg, and then a quick leg movement. The leg was nowhere near MM's footpeg, but close to his front fork. It looked to me like his foot was weighted on the peg, and got nudged off causing the quick movement. It was impossible to see if it contacted anything, but MM went down immediately. Afterward, VR was looking over both shoulders for MM. This tells me VR didn't expect him to crash. I think VR was fending off what he considered purposeful interference, and MM was pushing VR trying to make him crack. From the start, MM was having front traction issues, and that might have contributed. Both riders were at fault, but VR gets the punishment because he continued racing. Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing VR. He was definitely wrong in dealing with MM by forcing him into the confrontation. MM was in a position with nothing to lose, and took advantage of it to mess with VR, and VR couldn't handle it. I'm sympathetic as my little brother pushed me over the edge many times. Usually ending with me kicking his ass, and my dad kicking mine. I'm very disappointed in both racers, but I've seen WAY worse in racing, and as usual the internet drama is WAY over the top. I've seen guys purposefully cut across someone's line and take them out, and nobody says a word. Personally, I don't care who wins, I just like to watch the racing, and this tainted it for me. 2 spoiled brats not getting their way.

Another look at the vid and now I see Val's head turning 3 times to setup Marc. Aerial view shows Val setting up Marc for too long, Marc knows the turn is to the right, anticipates Val is going to turn; Marc leans to the right; his head lays into Val's knee; Val feels the pressure and pushes Marc off; end of ride for Marc. The speed is slow, Marc holds onto the bike. Marc gets up, tear-off hanging off the helmet as if he caught it on something.

Tactical moves has Val. Schooled Marc at the Dutch GP, someplace else, now last Sunday. No penalty as Jorge passed someone on a yellow. Racing is overtly political.

"Marc leans to the right; his head lays into Val's knee; Val feels the pressure and pushes Marc off; end of ride for Marc".Yep...that's what I see as well...although Val running wide intentionally isn't so nice...but hey...they're big boys;) Perhaps Marc should have just eased up a bit once he realized Val was edging him out?Could always drop in under him on another corner?That's why I think Marc was at some point thinking.."we BOTH lose here...right now".Prudent brake application(by Marc) at the beginning of this 'setup' could have changed everything.

So Marc is the current world champion, he's coming 3rd in a race and he's expected not to compete with the guy coming 4th and let him go through.

Its not about the leg, its about pushing someone off the track to gain an advantage, cheating .

The only way Val could have 'pushed him off the track'...is if Marc had stayed where he was...which he did.Those guys were on the tarmac.They both knew how far off the line they were at.So at some point right there or leading right up to it...the smart move would have been to back out slightly,then drop inside.He KNEW he couldn't make the pass...so he continues on squeezing?Then when Val said 'enough's enough'...he bumped him away with his knee.That's what I think.They both knew at that point a pass just wasn't possible.I think since Val was already eyeing him...and his line...he already determined to give him a push if Marc continued along his closing line.Right or wrong.Marc I don't think by that time was even considering trying to pass...so why not just back out...why keep getting closer?It was a dumb move IMO..could have wrecked both of em.Which may have been his last motivation for doing what he did.Seeing that Val had already meant to edge him out if possible.Both at fault here...Val for cutting him off...Marc for continuing the squeeze.

Look again on the rear overhead cam angle.Marc is definitely willing to run into Rossi for whatever reason.Pissed at being pushed outside...decided to say "fuck it...then I'll just run into you".He made contact before Rossi ever pushed back with his knee.He could have slowed,possibly dropped in underneath at that point seeing how wide they were...I just think his emotions got the best of him.All split second decisions...easy to say what 'could' or 'should' have been done different by anyone not actually racing there.Neither one wanted to give in...that's fairly clear to me.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/28/2015 @ 7:50 PM *

The video carabuser posted is rather interesting at 25 seconds Marquez hit Rossi who then pushed back with his knee. At 1:12 you can clearly see between the 2 bikes, Rossi didn't kick Marquez, at best he push back with his knee and readjusted his foot on his foot peg.

I heard Marc's side of it more or less Marc is saying that Rossi stood him up, the turn is coming but Rossi is now straight up and 'what could I do?' So he 'used his leg to push' his arm. Mark had the brakes on and that slight nudge, 'locked the front wheel' and threw him down.

I heard Rossi's side. I'm going by the mirror-mirror-on-the-wall, the words kind of bounce right back at Rossi. Marc was up to his 'dirty game, no?' I ha slow down and say, 'what the fuck you doing?' 'He touch ha the handlebar on the right... on my leg,' 'I lose ha the foot from the footpeg.' 'When I lose the foot from the footpeg, Marc has already crashed.' 'If you kick ha the motorbike, you no crash a GP bike.'

WHAT? So you figured you'd kick him and he'd stay up?

Nightmare, Rossi went WAY wide into Marquez, NOT MM into Rossi, I have seen all the overhead shots etc ... if you see the whole scenario, go back three weeks, and look at all the evidence from the race, its real clear, rossi kicked "out" at MM, and it caused him to crash, and its real clear, rossi is a piece of shit ... I don't care how good
a rider he was, I hope he retires, because I don't want to see his ass in the races. I'm also tired
of his whiney bitch ass trash talk that he has been spouting off for weeks now ..

Ok, I'm really done now, I won't comment anymore ...

* Last updated by: carabuser on 10/28/2015 @ 11:28 PM *

running someone wide in a turn is not cheating, it's racing, as long as you don't run him off the track, or make contact. I see it happen in almost every race. Not to this extreme, but it's there. Rossi did NOT make the initial contact. MM cut in before Rossi did, and bumped him, BUT Rossi tricked him into it by staying wide way longer than MM expected. So the question is....if you're in a title race, and someone is purposefully forcing you into a race that might cost you the title, how long do you put up with it? I still say MM had nothing to lose, and didn't care about the race. He only wanted to screw Rossi. He forced Rossi into making a stupid move. I watched an F1 race today. Hamilton and Rosberg, teamates, are fighting for the championship. In the 2nd turn of the race Hamilton went wide and bumped Rosberg completely off the track. It cost Rosberg the race, the title, and could have ended the race for both of them. NO PENALTIES!!!!! If a racer can't stand up to bumping, then he should not be racing.

The description from Argentina...

"As Rossi got past Márquez the first time, the Spaniard struck back immediately. Márquez held the Yamaha man at bay for another lap, but a Rossi pass was looking inevitable. Márquez was not going to just roll over, though. As he slid out wide at the end of the straight, lining up for the right hander at Turn 5, he saw Rossi pass him on the brakes, and turn in. Márquez cut back harder, coming inside Rossi in the second half of the hairpin, and slamming into the Italian as Rossi made the turn."

Where were all the critics?

The description from Assen...

"Into the chicane for the last time, Marquez flung his Honda to the inside of the Yamaha and made contact, with Rossi shooting across the gravel on the inside of the corner..."

Where were all the haters?

I hope he retires, because I don't want to see his ass in the races.

I don't have a problem with running another rider off the track. Sticking a leg out to push is not allowed. If this is now permitted, why not do it on the straightaways going 200 mph? I mean really, if pushing is allowed, ok, say "pushing is allowed" and then everyone knows what kind of competition they are up against and what kind of risks they need to take to win. I'm sure we don't want to see this as a sanctioned sporting event.

"Ok, I'm really done now, I won't comment anymore" ... LOL, it's just a race. My old lady watched it, then made comment as to how I used to race the same way. Looking back; I was a dick. I used to get real close to riders and sit them up... in practice. I'd get guys coming up complaining about it. I was just practicing my tactics.

Repsol needs to pull up their trousers and let it go... as a racing incident. Let this settle out so you can see how vague the videos are, the perspective looking back, and see the movements, not intent. Yes, the intent was to throw MM offline. Rossi more or less said, 'shit or get off the pot' and run your own race.

We don't know the comments made during the whole season, who's focused on what and all that. I would think an incentive program is built-in; as to win a race and collect a bonus (written in a contract?) So there is MM's focus is to win the bonus money? Rossi has other ideas as to how to collect points? Keep MM in the back with him so Jorge collects more points? You'd think to have MM up there so you wear out Jorge, come from behind to clean the mess up, right?

So you mess with your best blocker and let more points dwindle is to have both hondas take the most points, yes? Jorge leaves with less so the spread is not that wide, or no; I keep my fastest horse here with me? The crash part is part MM, part Rossi. The sit-up: Rossi stayed upright for a long time, had the inside line so he had more track. MM started to crank it over, hit Rossi's knee with his arm, the reaction for every action says the rest.

Bottom line, I don't think Rossi intended to crash out MM. When MM cranks it over thinking Rossi has to start turning soon = Schooled!

Bottom line, I don't think Rossi intended to crash out MM. When MM cranks it over thinking Rossi has to start turning soon = Schooled!

I wonder how long Rossi can hang in there?

I think it's video clear...Marc dropped in alongside and was making contact.For whatever reason.He kinda brought this on himself...not that Val was an angel here...but still.None of this would have happened had Marc slowed a bit...then decided which way to handle it.With these bikes...dropping a split second of speed and darting around and gassing it...very doable.He may even have been able to get on the inside and pass if he'd done that.Hell...as soon as saw Rossi drifting wide...I don't know why he didn't brake,and go for it down low...where there was PLENTY of track and room.I just don't think he was actually TRYING to make an outside pass..more like..."I'm committed you prick...I'm not changing anything...even if I have to bump you to get there"...????

LOL, just makes me laugh, if everyone was a witness to a murder and we all gave a statement of what we saw just imagine the differences.

Even after everyones looked at a video a hundred times, some blame other guy and so on, and the answer is just someones opinon anyway

It stars with a rider who pushed MM off the raceing line and would of could of gone off the track if he didn't turn in.

and MM the bad guy.

Stop laughing Hub!!!

VR should of been Black flaged or do a stop and go for his actions, penalty all paid left this behind him turned up next race, qualified well, started at the front of the grid and still be a title chance, now hes down the back, don't see how this is better.

* Last updated by: ethin14 on 10/29/2015 @ 7:57 PM *

penalty all paid left this behind him turned up next race, qualified well, started at the front of the grid and still be a title chance, now hes down the back, don't see how this is better.

Again, 'the music ain't over till the' rains come a knock'inn, the tire(s) didn't make it, the rider throws it away, the rider is not fast that day, the rider is collected, the this and the that is still the odds, small as they are, never give up.

I pick the rider, not pick a 'hero' and find out later they were not up to a standard.

2:10... Schooled once the Doctor Looks Back

"ain't herd no fat lady" , even starting at the back, should be up the front maybe 4 laps or more , lorenzo needs to stay on his horse and get to the front or it will again be the most consistant rider takes the title.

not many factory rides , dannyboy, MM, get in front of horehay , he's only got to get close.

A nice letter from the FIM Pres
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/29/open-letter-from-fim-president-vito-ippolito/188680

* Last updated by: ethin14 on 10/29/2015 @ 10:17 PM *

A quick summary from my perspective...

Rossi reverted to extremely poor decision making on and off the track when he could not pass and gap Marquez in Australia and then Sepang.
I'll say it again.
He could not pass and gap Marquez.
If he could have he would have and this discussion would be mute.

Instead he genuinely lost it under pressure when his fading talent meant he could not better one of his major rivals.
A new experience for him and his reaction(s) well and truly let himself, his team and his fans down.

After his truly ridiculous accusations in interviews prior to the Sepang race, and then his on track antics, I truly hope he does not win the Championship.
He does not deserve it.
The Doctor played dirty, did his reputation immeasurable damage, and more importantly bought the sport into disrepute.

If he doesn't win the Championship, he has no one to blame but himself for transforming a position of advantage to a position of disadvantage in the final race.

My greatest fear is Lorenzo will have a DNF, Rossi wins the title and his cowardly actions will be forgotten.
If Lorenzo does the job, the 2015 Championship will be forever known as the one Rossi blew.

And rightly so...

* Last updated by: yannih on 10/30/2015 @ 2:27 AM *

Rossi has had a reputation for pretty aggressive riding since the start. I've seen clips of him running off into the grass to make a corner and I've even seen him not make a corner and cut across the grass to get back on the course and continue the race (which I'm sure resulted in a penalty of some sort). Last night I watched a video of him run Max Biaggi into the run off in a very similar manner to which he was trying to do to Marquez. Biaggi dumped his bike in the gravel after nearly bringing it to a stop. Rubbing is racing. It IS a contact sport at times. Like football, there aught to be definite rules about what kind of contact is not permitted. I still think kicking or deflecting with a part of the rider's body should not be allowed. If you act on impulse, you get penalized. If the pushing results ina crash, you are out of the race. Otherwise, lets make a new sport on smaller, slower tracks with big heavy bikes and make pushing a part of the competition. It would be a sort of demolition derby on bikes.

Rossi may have a little more insight than the outsider in this case.

* Last updated by: Hub on 10/30/2015 @ 9:58 AM *