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Created on: 08/21/12 06:51 AM

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I Don't Like This!
08/21/12 6:51 AM

The following article was written by a retired U.S. Army General. When he's worried about the recent massive purchase of hollow point ammunition for Federal Agencies like the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration maybe we should be concerned. Why is the Federal Government buying so much lethal ammunition, what are they expecting to happen and who do they intend to kill?

Something is coming folks, I can feel it and it's not going to be pretty when it gets here. Just my .02.


Published: 9:40 AM 08/17/2012

Photo by Oleg Volk, http://www.olegvolk.net/

By Major General Jerry Curry, USA (Ret.)

The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S. No one has yet said what the purpose of these purchases is, though we are led to believe that they will be used only in an emergency to counteract and control civil unrest. Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.

What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It can’t simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.

Potentially each hollow nose bullet represents a dead American. If so, why would the U.S. government want the SSA to kill 174,000 of our citizens, even during a time of civil unrest? Or is the purpose to kill 174,000 of the nation’s military and replace them with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) special security forces, forces loyal to the Administration, not to the Constitution?

All my life I’ve handled firearms. When a young boy growing up on my father’s farm in Pennsylvania Dad’s first rule of firearms training was, “Never point a gun at someone, in fun or otherwise, unless you intend to shoot them. If you shoot someone, shoot to kill.” I’ve never forgotten his admonition. It stayed with me through my Boy Scout training, when I enlisted in the army as a Private to fight in the Korea War, during my days as a Ranger and Paratrooper and throughout my thirty-four year military career.

If this were only a one time order of ammunition, it could easily be dismissed. But there is a pattern here. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has ordered 46,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition. Notice that all of these purchases are for the lethal hollow nose bullets. These bullets are not being purchased and stored for squirrel or coyote hunting. This is serious ammunition manufactured to be used for serious purposes.

In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.

I fear that Congress won’t take these ammunition purchases seriously until they are all led from Capitol Hill in handcuffs. Why buy all this ammunition unless you plan to use it. Unknown to Congress, Does DHS plan to declare war on some country? Shouldn’t Congress hold hearings on why the Administration is stockpiling this ammunition all across the nation? How will it be used; what are the Administration’s plans?

Obama is a deadly serious, persistent man. Once he focuses on an object, he pursues it to the end. What is his focus here? All of these rounds of ammunition can only be used to kill American citizens, though there is enough ammunition being ordered to kill, in addition to every American citizen, also every Iranian, Syrian or Mexican. There is simply too much of it. And this much ammunition can’t be just for training, there aren’t that many weapons and “shooters” in the U.S. to fire it. Perhaps it is to be used to arm illegal immigrants?

We have enough military forces to maintain law and order in the U.S. even during times of civil unrest.

We have local police, backed up by each state’s National Guard, backed up by the Department of Defense. So in addition to all these forces why does DHS need its own private army? Why do the SSA, NOAA and other government agencies need to create their own civilian security forces armed with hollow nose bullets?

Were I the JCS, and if I wasn’t already fully briefed on this matter, I’d stop the purchase of hollow point bullets, ask the secretary of Defense why all this ammunition is being purchased and spread around the country? If I got answers like the ones Congress got during the investigation of Operation Fast and Furious – I’d start tracking all ammunition deliveries nationwide to find out what organizations and units are using them, for what purpose and, if it is not constitutional, prepare to counteract whatever it is that they are doing.

This is a deadly serious business. I hope I’m wrong, but something smells rotten. And If the Congress isn’t going to do its duty and investigate this matter fully, the military will have to protect the Constitution, the nation, and our citizens.

Jerry Curry is a decorated combat veteran, Army Aviator, Paratrooper, and Ranger, who for nearly forty years has served his country both in the military and as a Presidential political appointee.



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RE: I Don't Like This!
08/21/12 7:27 AM

Let me guess, another Obama basher with a new conspiracy theory, just in time for November elections. For the record, I am not an Obama fan yet I am not a Romney fan either.

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RE: I Don't Like This!
08/21/12 7:50 AM

...and there has been warning signs of a totatarian regime usurping our democracy all the years I have been on this earth. Never happened yet. I'm not worried about bullets. Hell I can go to most hardware stores and buy an assault rifle that shoots those bullets if i want.



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RE: I Don't Like This!
08/21/12 9:37 PM

+1 on KOfla... u're a smart man!



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RE: I Don't Like This!
08/21/12 10:59 PM

Kruz; maybe a little research before you go all "chicken little" on us.

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RE: I Don't Like This!
08/21/12 11:50 PM

Kruz, your post reminded me of the long gun registry the Liberal party tried to bring in here in Canada and all the fuss it kicked up. The government was hell bent on tracking every gun and played on the public fear of how dangerous guns were. They spend an insane amount of money and never got close to accomplishing the task. The Conservative government, realizing that it was a nightmare with no end, final scrapped it after they came into power and gladly took the pat on the back (gun owners were happy, and everyone else was glad to see the money wasting stop). You can read about the fiasco HERE

Does it really matter who (or should I say what) gets in. They are all chipped off the same turd.


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RE: I Don't Like This!
08/24/12 5:38 PM

This story is bogus. Completely fabricated. The Social Security Administration could not purchase that much ammunition (even though it has a physical security component) without it showing on the books.

And if it showed on the books, it would be major news on national tv and print news.

Anyone read about this, or seen it on Fox News, or CNN? No?

I rest my case. LOL



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RE: I Don't Like This!
08/24/12 5:46 PM

On the subject of the election....

We are sitting right at $20T in effective national debt and it is growing at about $4B / day.

If Obama gets another 4 years, it will reach over $45T in effective debt, and will be unrecoverable. No nation on earth can sustain an economy under a $10B / day debt service load.

I am a Constitutional Conservative. This means I dislike most politicians, no matter what side of the aisle they are on.

But I find more in common with Ryan than most other politicians, and Mitt will do considering the alternatives.

We either put the Republicans in control of the legislative and executive branches in November, or we admit we don't care if we end up with a country in the same difficulties and decline as Greece.

To me, its a simple choice. One wants to spend us into oblivion, with not a shred of achievement in his record, while another wants us to accept hard choices and make painful cuts and get the country headed back to being a world power again.

Anyone who can't correctly put names on the two choices is an example of why we might see our country destroyed in our own lifetimes.



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RE: I Don't Like This!
08/24/12 8:32 PM

privateer; "And if it showed on the books, it would be major news on national tv and print news"
Didn't read my link? The SSA buys ammo all the time for duty carry for the SSA offices of the Inspector General. Same with the NOAA that uses duty carry for it's fisheries services. I suppose you'd expect a big news story if the Supreme Court purchased ammo, despite their police force using it for duty carry.



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RE: I Don't Like This!
08/25/12 7:42 PM

I'm just saying, and it is what I wrote, that if it was OUT OF THE ORDINARY it would be news.

Who gives a shit if they buy normal amounts of ammunition for their security component?

And what the OP posted, by some worthless blogger, is still completely bogus.



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RE: I Don't Like This!
08/25/12 11:02 PM

What I'm saying is... it IS a normal amount of ammo, it IS ordered all the time, and the rest of the blogger's post IS a load of crap.

General Jerry Curry


* Last updated by: alg8er on 8/25/2012 @ 11:05 PM *



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