The motivation is to force everybody to take one side or the other and cause a global war to bring about the end times.

That would force everyone to take a stand sooner or later. I'd like to do it sooner. I do not know that it would bring about the end of times but if it did, that would be preferable to allowing them to dominate the world. Maybe it would mean mutual destruction. I accept that over rolling over.

No doubt the extremists watching from around the world would have been holding their sides from guteral laugher.
"We kill them and they ride with us. How weak and soft is our enemy".

Totally. I'm sure they are laughing at a lot of the reactions from their victims who were not actually involved in the attacks.

When the next siege starts with extremists holding hostages and making radical demands, go out and round up their familes and their families families, and parade them where the extremist can see them and advise that for every innocent life taken, 5 family members will be executed.

Yes. Horrific, inhumane, unChristian, yes. That's what war is though!! We need to start FIGHTING like we mean it. There is always collateral damage. As barbaric as it sounds, now we need to plan collateral damage rather than try to minimize it. This is how ISIS the taliban and all such groups are fighting. I'm not so sure many of the enemy fighters have much of a family. I really don't know. I picture most of them as being very poor and having nothing to loose in life ad that is why they feel so empowered by the groups they join. Still, if executing family members has an impact on the whole groups moral, that would be a successful counterattack.

Why doesn't every single good Muslim come out with strong condemnation against these actions rather than the muttering of a few?
Why is there no Muslim entity fighting internally against this virus from within that is perpetrated in the name of what they believe?
Well, perhaps if you readily accept a religious belief where apostacy is strongly suggested and recommended, which is where the penalty of death is handed to any family member including your son or daughter who take their own decision to turn their back on the Muslim doctrine, then you must therefore in some way support every action that is in the name of your faith.
If you are willing to sacrifice your own for your beliefs, whats a few innocents in the name of what you dedicate your life to going to matter?

You know, I really enjoy visiting my Muslim friends down at the local filling station. They are nice to me. They're not bad people. I do have to wonder what they would (will) do when/if they are offered the choice to stand with their infidel neighbors and be burned alive or join their Muslim extremist brethren and betray the country they now live in? What would you do? If someone is going to cut my head off, I guess I choose to keep my head whichever way I can. So where does this leave the good Muslims who live in countries that are targets of Muslim terrorists? CAn they be trusted considering the consequences?

I really wish I could see some kind of light at the end of the tunnel, but unfortunately I just see a dark blackness...

I see internment camps, torture as way of warfare, brutality, mass destruction, loss of innocent life on both sides.
When the enemy comes at us the way have, there can be no other choice. I think we need to accept it and let it be the new way of life. I wish it was not so. I take no pleasure in seeing these things or being involved in them but what else is there? Isn't that what pretty much every soldier has said to himself in every war ever fought?

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I think trying to obliterate every extremist is a total fairytale.It'll NEVER happen.No way.Not as long as these impoverished nations don't have the ability to counterattack these groups,which most don't.Millions of hungry people reaching for sustenance.And Isis and others offering 'jobs'.This is a spiral staircase.The more they recruit,the more is the need to destroy em.And on it goes.These guys are NOT concerned with morality or anything good.The ruse of doing this for 'Allah' is only a sham.They aren't doing this for allah.They're doing this cause they LOVE bloodshed.Gansters...all of em.Taking as much as they can from others.Till they themselves fall under the gun.They're NO different than American gangsters of earlier times.Those guys had a sworn code...live by the gun,die by the gun.They lived that.The extremists are doing the same.NO DIFFERENT.They KNOW they can't take over any Western nation.So stir things up.Get Armed forces drawn in.Spill more blood.More innocent casualties.They don't care about any of that.Their fun is in killing...no matter who it is.The more,the merrier.There's absolutely NO way Isis or others can possibly take over the world.No way.And they know it.

This battle is complex...you can't just enter a country and start blastin everything that appears to be "muslim".They might do this(and do)...but we have real moral values.It would be unthinkable to believe that going in all the way with guns blazin would solve this problem.(though we all know...these guys NEED to be killed).

No where in the Quran is this type of bloodletting approved.But people at their last meal will go for anything offering hope.As Isis does.Just more victims...these people are trapped...join or die...that's the choice given.With no way out.

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“When you look at ISIL, it has no governing strategy,” Obama said Sunday in an interview on CNN’s Fareed Zakaria GPS. “It can talk about setting up the new caliphate, but nobody is under any illusions that they can actually in a sustained way feed people or educate people or organize a society that would work.”Obama said it’s important “we maintain a proper perspective,” on the Islamic State, describing it as a “death cult or a entirely backward-looking fantasy that can’t function in the world.”
But perhaps more threatening to its long-term stability is the group’s inability to deliver a functioning government and a productive economy to the people who live in the territory it controls. The Islamic State brags about its ability to administer services and promotes itself as an alternative to the corruption and poor governance of the Syrian or Iraqi government, but reports of poverty, inflation, water shortages and power outages are emerging from cities like Mosul in Iraq.
The group, and other Islamic extremist terrorist organizations, can do harm, but they are not “an existential threat to the United States or the world order.”
The U.S. needs to see the threat for what it is and respond to it in a way that doesn’t undermine American values, the president said.
“It means that we don’t approach this with a strategy of sending out occupying armies and playing whack-a-mole wherever a terrorist group appears, because that drains our economic strength and it puts enormous burdens on our military,” he said.

Instead, “what’s required is a surgical, precise response to a very specific problem,” Obama added.

problem solved

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"Instead, whats required is a surgical, precise response to a very specific problem,” Obama added.
"Problem solved".

Problem solved huh?
WTF???

Perhaps someone might want to explain to me and the rest of the world for that matter what the exact details are for this simple surgical, precise response?
Because I sure as hell haven't seen any resolution that is that simple or effective!

More bullshit rhetoric by political do gooders that have to follow certain accepted western rules.
You explain how we can possibly win with this mentality?

Follow certain accepted western rules!
And that's why we will always be on the back foot.
Because these extremists follow no rules but their own and gain maximum effect for their cause by acts such as decapitating and burning alive innocents.
What are the chances of us relaliating by fighting fire with fire here?
Easy.
None.

Do you see what we are up against and cannot possibly combat because of our morality and beliefs?

Again, "Instead, whats required is a surgical, precise response to a very specific problem,” Obama added.
"Problem solved".

Fucking please!

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I think trying to obliterate every extremist is a total fairytale.It'll NEVER happen.No way.

Agree. That's why we will have eternal war.

Not as long as these impoverished nations don't have the ability to counterattack these groups,which most don't.Millions of hungry people reaching for sustenance.And Isis and others offering 'jobs'.This is a spiral staircase.The more they recruit,the more is the need to destroy em.

...and that's why we better start fighting back in a way that does some real damage to them.

.There's absolutely NO way Isis or others can possibly take over the world.No way.And they know it.

They sure are making a valiant effort of it right now. If they don't take over, they could cause an awful lot of harm. I could see 10-20,000 of them on our soil easily making life not worth living. Case in point: John Lee Malvo. About 10 years ago, the sniper who shot people from the trunk of his car. That killing spree made many Americans afraid to leave their homes. Imagine if we had 300 a-holes like that laying in the trunk of a car driving from state to state? Something like that could happen today. Perhaps not as severe, but things like that ARE happening today. If they start organizing in other countries like organized crime, we have guerilla warfare and terrorism on our own soil.

Their fun is in killing...

The soldiers, perhaps. Their top leadership has much bigger plans. The wealthy leaders have nothing to gain by killing for fun or else they would be doing it themselves.

”Obama said it’s important “we maintain a proper perspective,” on the Islamic State, describing it as a “death cult or a entirely backward-looking fantasy that can’t function in the world.”

Let's hope so.

“what’s required is a surgical, precise response to a very specific problem,”

So we need to wait until they become strong enough to fight a conventional war. If they did become that strong, why would they build military bases when terrorism is so effective?

Do you see what we are up against and cannot possibly combat because of our morality and beliefs?

Yes. Time for a radical shift in morality and beliefs, I'd say. It's war from here on in. They do not have a timeline. They can wait a thousand years if it takes that long. The best we can hope for is to beat them down and keep them weak cuz there's a hell of a lot of them. Do you realize how many children Muslims can have? I hope beyond all of my hopes that we can trust the "friendly" Muslims because if they turn against us, we're outnumbered.

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IF we could(and other Western countries)actually arm these people and let them do the justice,it could work.But that's the main problem.If we send weapons over to the various groups fighting Isis and others...there's a BIG chance these guys get overwhelmed and their weapons get taken.That's the big thing about this.We try to vette as much as possible...but it's not foolproof.We know,if these guys fighting Isis get pummeled,they're gonna drop those weapons and run for the hills.Plus they need to get paid..who's gonna do that?Isis will.Not like a Western soldier gets paid...but over there,something's better than starving.

The surge was working.Having soldiers live in the towns and such protecting the citizens was working.But you can't keep that up sustained unless the will of the people agree to it."We" won't ever be welcomed as protectors in a Muslim world.Not really.We'll always be seen as 'occupiers'..sad as that is.It's complicated.Winning the hearts and minds.Daily behaviors.Integrity.All that.It has to be right.And you NEED a government that's fully on board with financial helping and all.Not to mention hearing all sides of the concerns from it's people.(I don't mean extremists).There's HUGE amounts of oil over there.The revenues from that could fund any army.They need to get this part figured out...and quick.

"We" won't ever be welcomed as protectors in a Muslim world.

No we won't and if the general population would rather join ISIS rather than be beheaded, I won't blame them for that either. Let the Muslim world take it's own course. I don't understand some of their customs and I don't care to. It seems completely illogcal to me that it is considered ok to sodomize your 6 year old wife until the age at which she menstruates because vaginal sex with an immature female is likely to result in injury to her (but I guess that other part is LESS likely to be injured? ). That's their world they can have it. The problem is that the Muslim extremists are not happy to take over the middle east. They are attacking other continents. ..so as I see it, we are in this whether we want to be or not. It's just a matter of how long do we sit and wait.

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As representatives of the most strict interpretation of Islam, one of ISIS's goals is to bring on the End Times. I don't know how you dissuade true believers from that.

Mad

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Let the party start. We're a bunch of wallflowers.

Also, I'm sure it's already been mentioned in this 20 page thread but we do have some friendly nations in and around the middle East who are worth protecting. Also the world's oil reserves are threatened. If they weren't such a crazy bunch of fuques I'd be willing to let the radicals set the price of oil but that possibility is out after 9-11. They are now an enemy of the US and most of the rest of the world.

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My apologies to everyone, especially "normal" or moderate followers of Islam. I know pedophilia is not typical for Muslims in general. The point was, it's your culture. If you don't want help, fight your own fight. If you want help, you are now beholden to all nations that come to your aid. You are hence forth fighting the way we choose to fight, not the way you choose to fight. Half your country might be leveled but you will be free. I accept that here in the US, come what may.

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A man was walking through the local mall and went into a Muslim Bookshop.

The clerk asked if he could help and the man asked for a copy of the
"Australian Immigration Policy Booklet".

The Clerk said "Fuck Off !, Get out ! And Stay Out !"

The man replied, "Yes, that's the one!"

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wa - wa- waaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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yannih; The "problem solved" comment was my sarcastic wit.

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Sorry alg8er,
Missed that.

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yannih; No problem. Some people don't get my humor, most think it's annoying.

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Jeff Foxworthy on Muslims:

1. If you refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to liquor,
You may be a Muslim.

2. If you own a $3,000 machine gun and a $5,000 rocket launcher, but you can't afford shoes,
You may be a Muslim.

3. If you have more wives than teeth,
You may be a Muslim.

4. If you wipe your butt with your bare hand but consider bacon to be unclean,
You may be a Muslim.

5. If you think vests come in two styles: Bullet-proof and suicide.
You may be a Muslim

6. If you can't think of anyone you haven't declared jihad against,
You may be a Muslim.

7. If you consider television dangerous but routinely carry explosives in your clothing,
You may be a Muslim.

8. If you were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting off roadside bombs,
You may be a Muslim.

9. If you have nothing against women and think every man should own at least four,
You may be a Muslim.

10. If you find this offensive and don't forward it,
You may be a Muslim.
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ok, adding "extremist" to that would render it too PC to be funny but remeber we still have mostly normal Muslims out there in the world. I just wonder how normal they will be if they come under pressure from the abnormals.

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The last one on the list pegged that as falsely attributed, with the bit about forwarding. That was way too obvious.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/humor/foxworthy.asp

Not that I care about ISIS or whatever but mis-attributed quotes drive me batty.

I wonder if anyone still sends around that "I'm 83 and I'm tired" thing attributed to Bill Cosby from a few year ago?

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I just wonder how normal they will be if they come under pressure from the abnormals.

This quote came to mind as a possible answer.

"All Evil Needs To Flourish Is For Good People To Stand By And Do Nothing"

The last one on the list pegged that as falsely attributed, with the bit about forwarding. That was way too obvious.

Internet, more of the same.

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I don't think they are all terrorists, but I do get concerned they might do something which could cost lives because of their teachings. For example, I travel a fair amount for work and I frequently am confronted by Muslim TSA agents; now I believe 90% or them pose no threat of bombing an airport, but I wonder if they might look the other way if presented with a Muslim man who shows the signs of posing a threat.

I know it sounds prejudicial, but I don't believe Muslims should be working as TSA agents, be permitted to serve in the armed forces or serve in any other public service position (police, FBI, CIA, etc.) without first passing a thorough lie detector test.

We would not allow someone who belonged to a Neo Nazi organization or any other hate organization to serve in these areas; why do we make an exception for Muslims when their teachings are clearly dangerous???

"but I wonder if they might look the other way if presented with a Muslim man who shows the signs of posing a threat"...yes...a threat to the worker's family.Nuthin but gangsters....too bad these radicals have hijacked Islam.I wonder what the Christian population would do if someone formed a 'kill all others' ideology.Or the African-Americans..."kill all not black"Or the Latinos...

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But see that's my point Rook.
Suppose Australia turned into a crap place to live and a group of Australians were lucky enough to go and live in the US where it was paradise by comparison.
If one or more of the Australians started getting out of hand in the new country and were being disrespectful to its laws, its beliefs and its people, plus compromising the other Australians lucky enough to be there, you can bet your bottom dollar the other Australians would sort that situation out quick smart.
But do you see that from Muslims?
No. And you never will.
Why?
Because they follow a system where anyone who doesn't believe what they believe are considered inferior and to an extent expendable for the cause. And this includes their own family should they stray from that belief.
That is written in their holy book...
Therefore deep down they must condone what is being done in the name of Islam.
Strong comment?
Then why do I hear "Don't put us in that basket" and "We are not a part of this" and "That's racist" and "That's narrow minded to consider all Muslims like that".
But I never ever hear "We'll work with you to stop to this", We denounce any kind of Muslim belief that results in death or destruction", "We do not agree with that section of the Koran" or "Our belief is not perfect and we should be respectful of other beliefs"...

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In the US,they are trying to speak out against this bloodbath in their religion's name.It's hugely complex.To get past any 'revenge' from past times,they'd have to openly say,bloodletting is NOT the way of Islam.I seriously don't know that this ideology will ever be renounced.It goes so far back.This killing of 'infidels'...apostates(in their view).The HUGE kicker to this deal is...their OWN teachings saying.."you can smile and act like the infidels yet secretly condemn them in your heart"...to plan their destruction.They CAN'T get around this.So how can anyone really trust what they say about condemnation of bloodshed.They've done this to themselves really.They're the only ones who can stop this.As you say.But in the third world countries,there's just no way anyone can speak up about this hypocrisy.They'd be killed.THAT's a BIG problem.So it's not having 'faith' in Islam,it's FEAR of retribution that's driving this thing.No different than Hitler's march,or Saddam's Iraq.Lots of people over there(and all the other impoverished Nations) are claiming certain things to the Extremists out of fear...not faith.

The Peshmerga fighters are trying like hell to squash this Isis deal...and others,but they need to be able to outgun these guys.We need to help.They need our help.And our president waffles on decisions to make that happen.

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