Couple of things on me potentially getting a flash.

From all the reports I have read, I would love to get one!

But I already have a custom tune done on a dyno through my PCIII that cost quite a bit of money.
This was done before I really knew about the amazing job done flash wise by guys on this forum.
But isnt the custom tune better because it is done on a dyno and specifically takes into account all added performance modifications to the bike in question where as a flash can't do this because only the ECU is worked on without the modified bike being present?
A good example of this would be catering to flys being removed or not and the leaing AFR issue when flys have been removed.
And lastly I live in Australia.
Sending my ECU overseas and back risking damage or loss plus overall waiting time for the process is a concern that doesn't sit too well with me.
Ideas or feedback?

* Last updated by: yannih on 12/24/2014 @ 1:55 AM *

"But isn't the custom tune better because it is done on a dyno and specifically takes into account all added performance modifications to the bike in question where as a flash can't do this because only the ECU is worked on without the modified bike being present?"...

...it COULD be as good,HOWEVER...the flash that I have WAS done from dyno work...not just a resetting of things.Though my bike itself wasn't on the dyno...my setup is the same as the bike being dyno flashed...The motorcycle itself doesn't know what's in it...only the ECU...the engine WILL obey any ECU reprogramming.The only difference between my program and the author's bike was...the exhaust...both 4 into one...mine a Brock's,his a Muzzy.Plus mine was slightly adjusted for my Brock's setup....so in that respect..there was a MINOR difference...but that was all.I have the same flash as is in his bike.All engine components are the same.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/29/2014 @ 1:17 PM *

I agree given a certain set of circumstances, there can't really be too much of a variation between basically stock bikes. Even different exhaust and air filters would probably have similar performance profiles to the extent of an exact tune vs somewhat of a cookie cutter tune. Probably a bigger factor is altitude vs any variation between two specific motorcycles.

Here's an interesting thread about upgrading a N1000 with Ivan's setup (full Akro, PCV, Ivan' map) and how each step affected the overall output. Basically the story is dyno mapping the final results netted about <2 hp increase from the Ivan map to the tuned map. Sure every hp counts, but overall unless it's probably a racing situation not gonna make a difference.

http://www.riderforums.com/3rd-gen-z1000-z1000sx-ninja-1000/69469-2011-ninja-1000-results-akrapovic-full-system-bmc-filter-pcv.html

* Last updated by: VicThing on 11/29/2014 @ 2:20 PM *

But I already have a custom tune done on a dyno through my PCIII that cost quite a bit of money.
This was done before I really knew about the amazing job done flash wise by guys on this forum.

Do Not touch the fueling side of the Flash as there is no need. Continue with your PC map. No one ever will convince me that there is a better way then the way you have already done it. Tune made on your Bike, with Your Fuel, At Your Elevation can't be topped. In the past tuners all claimed to get you close, as the tunes were made on bikes other than your own.

If you wanted more, you were told to go pay for custom tune "On Your Bike". Nothing has changed contrary to popular belief. All you need for proof is the Dyno Jet Web site. Count the tunes made for the different pipe set ups. One flash will never be perfect for all bikes. In short if you want the extra tune for it.

Most of what you read is Flash talk on the 14R. Ever wonder why there isn't more fuss about the gains in the Gen 1's ? The Gen 1 guys have the most to Gain and for once it's Not All About Peek HP #'s. Yannih you already have that.

Yannih I'm starting to sound like a used car salesman here. That was not my intention. Sorry Bud. Your Question was "is there anything more" Answer is Yes I know that particular bike better than I know my wife lol. 2007 was my first love of the ZX14 and is where I started into all this. I hated how that bike ran from the second I rode out of the showroom. Job was to fix it. Flash it or always wonder. Now I bet that eats away at the ole Noodle over Christmas, sorry lol

Anyway I hope this helps. Have fun ride safe

I miss my 2007, never should have sold it

* Last updated by: Romans on 11/29/2014 @ 2:34 PM *

I haven't done the flash yet so I have no firsthand knowledge but since I had the same questions, here's what I heard.

But isnt the custom tune better because it is done on a dyno and specifically takes into account all added performance modifications to the bike in question where as a flash can't do this because only the ECU is worked on without the modified bike being present? An good example of this would be catering to flys being removed or out and the lean issue when flys have been removed.

I have no idea how much tuning variation there is between one 07 and another when it comes to stock bikes but I imagine certain brands of pipes can have pretty specific needs.

Sending my ECU overseas and back risking damage or loss plus overall waiting time for the process is a concern that doesn't sit too well with me.

Oh, yes, I agree for sure stick with your custom tune. My point was regarding people who were seeking a tune, and grn's point.

Yes, custom tune will probably always be greater than cookie cutter. But cookie cutter is >98% accuracy.

It could be interesting to see what CFlash's custom mappings (the smoothing) could compare to a custom tune map primarily based on AFR though.

It's not hard but I'm a little confused again.

I'm hearing that a custom dyno tune is a very good thing.
That's excellent cause that's what I have.

But are you guys saying get a flash on the ECU as well but leave the fueling as is?
So what advantages will that offer?
And what will the flash minus fueling modifications change and improve?

Plus from my limited understanding, one of the advantages of a flash is it unrestricted the bike.
So wouldn't it just be easier for me to simply get a TRE rather than send the ECU away?

Lastly, surely a USA flash would not be effective in Australia due to differeing fuel, greater variances in
elevation, etc?

If you guys could let me know what I should be looking at to get the absolute best out of the bike in this regard it would be really appreciated.

* Last updated by: yannih on 11/29/2014 @ 10:36 PM *

Just put on a Powerbronze hugger.
Nice.
Fits great and looks good IMO.

* Last updated by: yannih on 12/20/2014 @ 9:05 AM *

Turbo, nitros, meth cooler, big bore kit, thicker head gasket, upgraded engine internals (rods, pistons, cams, etc)... The reality of the fact is there's no limit to "what's next?" its more "what's next... that I would like, enjoy and can afford?"

Most of the mods you have done seem to be for comfort and fashion which I think is great, no one would turn down more power but depending on what's more important for you it may not be worth the cost.

If you're looking for comfort, try and get your hands on a LSL handlebar kit and if you're tall I've heard going with lower pegs helps in the leg room department.

Romans what do I gain on my 07 with a flash?

Romans what do I gain on my 07 with a flash?

A big smile with random outburst of laughter and the feeling of never wanting to ever ride your bike again without the flash.

* Last updated by: wfozx14 on 12/19/2014 @ 5:25 PM *

Project finished for the moment.

I'm really pleased where the whole setup is at with the upgrades listed below.
I know there are still many great options to consider but I think I'll take a break from working on the bike for a while and just enjoy riding it.

Many thanks to all for the amazing help I have received.

* Last updated by: yannih on 12/23/2014 @ 5:47 PM *

sweet!