So after reading all these huge gains to be had on the zx14 with a pipe and pc5, i plop down the dough and buy an orient express full ti pipe and a pc5 loaded with the map for the pipe...
this is the results....where is the
175-185 hp i read about and where is the 110 ft/lbs of torque????? my 00 busa with a yosh rs3, pc3 with hmf6.2 map and air box mod made 167 and 101.x

Basically, you want that red dotted line to be your main guide. Anything above or below says your bike blows! And while we are on the subject, I can turn one pot on the Tfi, watch the wide band move. You get some Jeffo map that tweaks the accel, this throws off the red dotted line. You now have to remap as if I have to recalibrate the low speed pot back to the A/F red line. I changed the accel a little bit and there goes the tune. Damn if the wide band did not sense it.

So, can you run that red line in the pot setup? Can you run the same map off some net, when that day matched your dyno run? Are both air pressures/temps reading the same? You with that map unchanged running in a new air pressure, ambient temperature, room temp, all that factored in and there goes the variable of the snowflake pipe, dirty air cleaner, valves set, etc.

Take one pipe after the other; to find the best HP out of the production run. Who knows where a 110 pounds came from?

I dont know...maybe its me but everything after "Basically, you want that red dotted line to be your main guide. Anything above or below says your bike blows! And while we are on the subject" is greek to me...dont have a clue what your saying...?????

HUB, Be nice! That line is the fuel air ratio you are shooting for thruout the power band. That line does look a little rich, at sea level for gas perfect is 14.7. I would think that by looking at the graph you are at a lower altitude and mabey temp is a little on the cold side. How long have you been running your current set up, I think the PC5 needs to take time to learn and you have not been at some of the rpm ranges long enough for it to get a handle on things. Also 167 HP is a good number, people get the dyno numbers you are hearing about with race gas, timing advanced, flys removed and no air cleaner and or alot of BS in order to sell the shit. (they got you) I would say you got about 10 hp out of that pipe. when you factor in the weight savings and how smooth the power curves are you did real good. If that PC5 flattens out that air/ fuel ratio over time it will only get better.

* Last updated by: buck20 on 5/12/2010 @ 4:37 AM *

it was just installed and dyno'ed yesterday....maybe 3-4 heat cycle pulls at lower rpms just to get the bike warm...shop was 42 feet above sea level.

The PC has some work to do still. Just stick your finger in the pipe after a couple of hundred or so miles and you should only get just a little black on your finger. Im sure it wll be fine. Ride it like you Ripped it off dude!

* Last updated by: buck20 on 5/12/2010 @ 6:29 AM *

WHat the dyno says after the install of full pipe and commander is pointless if you didnt do it prior to the install. that dyno could be off 5% or more compared to others and Mustang dyno's rate about 20% lower than dynojets. its the before and after that tells the difference. I gained 17 hp and 5 tq after a full pipe and dyno tune install on the same dyno, same day. And yes it looks like your running a bit rich.

9, Every human is a snowflake. Every bike is a snowflake. Every pipe is a snowflake. One assembled snowflake will not match the same genes as another human. You more luck out with a downloaded map. As you can see buy the results, you should expect something like this.

What I was trying to explain, I could not keep the same fuel trim setting. I change injector sizes, change back to having the subs flowing in the way. I swapped back to stock pipes. That right there, are 3 changes with 3 to 5 variables that pop up, you have to clean away with each mod.

When the subs or original throttle body was reinstalled, the power came back, the grunt was gone, the stumble kicked in. Here, I am not used to a lag with the flies out. With flies in, I have to clean that stumble away. I had to blend both the low speed and accelerator pot to both dial in a decent accel, and have the low less rich, I see the wide band turn more rich with a turn of either screw.

In other words, you had to tune the bike as if you were making map so someone could download it. But, why? Will that snowflake map work with your day's weather like it HAD TO make a map in that day's weather? Tuning is somewhat a science. You need to bring back your basic level physics to understand the line on the graft.

Say you look up and find a bunch of numbers on a map. Here is how I think the map works. You blue highlight the 6 thru 9 grid blocks, subtract all the numbers once or twice? Take a pull, see where that line drops onto now? I've never done it, but I am guessing that is how simple it is to move the fuel trim on the map.

Do you see how much off that line is now, 9? When they even line bore the holes for the cam or crank, this can throw off the engines in minute degrees. Does not take much for the air flow to wreck havoc on a map. So, do we have a snowflake valve cut that is not as deep or the angle is off in such a small move, you are cutting hairs are the slight changes to a map made by one bike.

WTFactor that in you pull a map off the net, it's close as a Jeffo map. I can see how you did gain in pipe. The map gained with the pipe combo whatever, that map could help with power or gain in HP trimming since it was made for said pipe. You have to have that snowflake bike of yours tell you what numbers that bike breathes better at.

Imagine Jeffo taking a guess at that red dotted line with everyone's combination. Think about it. I was being nice. I am being really nice about it now. WTF = Why The Fun is in the tuning out the facts from friction stir up the pot.

HUB, you need to put down the crack pipe....your mind is shot

9 second, what are you confused about? I would need someone on the board to ride my bike. Let them see how crazy that tune is. My mind was shot the day I was shot out of the womb.

9seconds, And another thing, ever hang around production type engines and build them? I mean, really build them. Occasionally, I speak with a 4 time mechanic of the year kind of engine builder. He's the one with the cc this head chamber and port this off, don't touch this angle, who knows? I don't watch, I just pick his brain. And when he tells me you lay a head down, one side is higher than the other, don't you think that would change the physical port chamber cc? Change that power curve somewhere else? Make that factory shaved head unique to the other bike is to the other bike. Then it snowballs you come up with more angles. Say, is that port hole being dressed with a grinder? Comes out of the mold, they take a porting tool at the factory to clean the casting around some flowed area, little snowflake? I'm now wondering WTF if any flakes are going up your nose? Flo don't wanna know, Cowboy Map.

You do not see what I see tell me I'm on something. Maybe ON/\TO SOMEThing is that BBQ cover lid. I might asshould be stepping away from the booze you pointing fingers at someone not having a clear HEAD < Pun, and wise guys, wherever I go. Snow me is snow you don't get away from here smelling like squid you come here smelling up the place with your WTF!

Dude, if you don't wanna know WTF about your bike and chart, don't come here. We serve it UP! Go ask 1bad if he still stinks like squid, I'm on some drug for years, telling 1bad to stay off the dash blinking.

Eat too much? Drink and Dive too much in the coke? You brought up the comment; pee in the cup then. Let me have FlameFront light up the BBQ. Looks like 1bad is cooking up o'Jeffo, and at this Cook Cough, I'm gonna keep cooking some 9inch about to slap some squid on the grill. "Simmer down, Johnny" you just had to ask.

MAP MEAT:

* Last updated by: Hub on 5/13/2010 @ 7:31 AM *

Bartender - 2 of whatever Hub is having please

These are some AFR #'s from my brothers M109R. The top line made the best #'s

Auto Tune AFR settings

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I spoke with jeffo for quite some time, for $50 it seems cheap enough...hell i have lost more then that with aholes on ebay who never sent suff...whats your opinion about his maps?

+1 on jeffos maps here

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