Ok, I know this is a topic that stirs the proverbial pot, but I'm curious to know what your input is on this, regardless of whether you live in the States or not. My main argument is this - Anyone realize that the only people who are NOT effected by any change in the Health Care status are the ONLY ones allowed to vote on it?! Seriously, anyone?! why aren't the American people able to review the changes and vote on whether they should be allowed, or even propose our own changes? Why on earth is Congress allowed to vote on ANYTHING that doesn't concern them?

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Why on earth is Congress allowed to vote on ANYTHING that doesn't concern them?

Because you voted your Congress person into office based on the fact that they represented your intrest right? Here is a better question why would anyone in Congress want to deny other Americans the same health care they enjoy that is paid for by tax payers.

Ok, yeah, they were voted in, but that doesn't change the fact that they aren't held to the same standards as we are for things of this nature. So how can they possibly have our best interests at heart? My point was that I don't believe they should be allowed to "represent" our vote by deliberating on issues they will never have to endure.

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Because "the plan" is NOT to help Americans."the plan" is to make Americans dependent on Government just as people in other less fortunate countries are.Castro recently said...in public...."communism does not work".That's coming from a "Communist".The "plan" is to rape the American people,starting with the stimulus(s) packages.Biggest heist in history.They all got their share "up there".Gonna try and get some more before November,you watch and see.Obama's outtathere,and so are a bunch of his buds.They gotta work fast,just like passin the "stimulus" bill.Pushed through before anyone knew what hit em.Great.Just great.Now it's health care.Everyone who has experienced this kind of "change" knows all about how poorly any of it works.It doesn't.That's the sad fact.Ask em in Canada,or England.I see people from those countries on a daily basis.They aint happy with what they have there....universal health care.It doesn't work well.

Just as Obama's the mouthpiece for liberal minds in the Government,Giethner's the mouthpiece for the financial aims of those "up there"...."We can't let a good crisis go to waste"...that's what he said.And "they" didn't.They fashioned it,presented it,and flat out robbed the American people with it.The only jobs being created(as was promised) are GOVERNMENT jobs.Lots of those to go around.Why,we'll just create a few more...ahem..."czars".Ya....sound like somethin outta Russia to me.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 9/9/2010 @ 9:41 AM *

Ok, yeah, they were voted in, but that doesn't change the fact that they aren't held to the same standards as we are for things of this nature. So how can they possibly have our best interests at heart?

Are you saying they should not reap the benefits of government health care if the citizens are not entitled to reap the same benefits? Are you stating that Congress should not be allowed to vote anything that will not directly affect them as individuals?

Because "the plan" is NOT to help Americans."the plan" is to make Americans dependent on Government just as people in other less fortunate countries are.Castro recently said...in public...."communism does not work".That's coming from a "Communist".The "plan" is to rape the American people,starting with the stimulus(s) packages.Biggest heist in history.They all got their share "up there".Gonna try and get some more before November,you watch and see.Obama's outtathere,and so are a bunch of his buds.They gotta work fast,just like passin the "stimulus" bill.Pushed through before anyone knew what hit em.Great.Just great.Now it's health care.Everyone who has experienced this kind of "change" knows all about how poorly any of it works.It doesn't.That's the sad fact.Ask em in Canada,or England.I see people from those countries on a daily basis.They aint happy with what they have there....universal health care.It doesn't work well.

Just as Obama's the mouthpiece for liberal minds in the Government,Giethner's the mouthpiece for the financial aims of those "up there"...."We can't let a good crisis go to waste"...that's what he said.And "they" didn't.They fashioned it,presented it,and flat out robbed the American people with it.The only jobs being created(as was promised) are GOVERNMENT jobs.Lots of those to go around.Why,we'll just create a few more...ahem..."czars".Ya....sound like somethin outta Russia to me.

Blue buddy you are all over the place its really hard to follow.I would like to know what you don't like about the health care bill that was passed and why its a bad idea.

Are you saying they should not reap the benefits of government health care if the citizens are not entitled to reap the same benefits?

willidx4, I'm of the opinion you're not aware of how health care works if you're a senator/representative. Let me assure you that they are NOT susceptible to the same system you and I are made to endure. They don't have to worry over HMO/PPO stuff, or whether that tooth implant is covered by their insurance or not, or how much their insurance will cover that ambulance trip to the hospital, or fear for their pocket book if they should have to stay in the hospital for more than their insurance will pay. The list goes on and on. Just like they don't worry about their own salary because they vote on it. So, who's auditing Congress? No one.

Are you stating that Congress should not be allowed to vote anything that will not directly affect them as individuals?

That's just it, they will NEVER be effected by the things they vote on health care-wise. Not ever. I don't mean to come off offensive so please don't take it as such. I'm just passionately against what Congress has passed and the layers of rights they continue to strip from us. Did you realize that members of Congress aren't subjected to the same health care reform they voted on and passed?

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That's just it, they will NEVER be effected by the things they vote on health care-wise. Not ever. I don't mean to come off offensive so please don't take it as such. I'm just passionately against what Congress has passed and the layers of rights they continue to strip from us. Did you realize that members of Congress aren't subjected to the same health care reform they voted on and passed?

Nope I thought they had the same coverage as all military personal are you saying they have something other than this?

So, who's auditing Congress? No one.

Thats the job of the American people those guys work for us but we are too consumed with cable TV and Internet porn to put those guys in check. Also its hard shit to can a guy when people will vote her or him in soley becuse they are a members of there party.

I'm just passionately against what Congress has passed and the layers of rights they continue to strip from us.

What rights have you lost?

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willidx4, I'm guessing you didn't catch Nancy Pelosi saying that they should pass this bill so that we could find out what is in it? No offense but,maybe you should educate yourself on these issues so that you will be able to recognize when your rights are being taken.
If you really are interested in understanding things like the fact that Congress isn't subject to the laws that they pass for the rest of us, try reading Glen Beck's book "Common Sense". If you still think that government is the answer then I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

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Going with what Pelosi said...ya..good point there Jetson...okay.This is what she's saying and advising you to do Willi..."here,I've got this SHWEET deal for you...you can't find out anything about it...how good or bad it may be....UNTIL... you agree to sign this paper here saying you'll accept it without any scrutiny at all.'Trust Me'.You can TRUST ME can't you?(you can see how well the stimulus worked,right?)And if you don't, being I'm a white woman,...yer a racist if you DON'T take my offer".Sound about right?Harry Reid thinks so.And Pelosi,and the rest of the ...ahem...DEMS[read...'liberals'][read...'fasicts'].I mean,good ole Joe Biden thinks that President Obama is a "nice,CLEAN,educated guy"...oops....Harry Reid echoed the same sentiment about Blacks AND Hispanics.Yep...nice equality loving folks up there passin those bills and votin for their(our) future there.Don't worry...as Jetson said...they're WELL taken care of...while the rest of us struggle to put food on the table and find work."give em extended food stamps and unemployment pay...ya...that'll tide em over UNTIL".....Until what exactly?Until the whole middle class is OUT OF WORK and anarchy is running rampant?Then who gets to clean up THAT oil spill....WE get to...you and me Willi.They'll be safely locked behind their Ivory Columns with their armed guards and MONEY.Your money.My money.The COUNTRY'S money.Safely above the havoc they created...the NEW AMERICA.We won't need to fear or be vigilant about foreign terrorists.We'll be too busy protecting our own families from gangs of...well...you get the picture.Color won't matter anymore.Race won't matter.What'll matter is who gets off the first shot.Think it can't happen?It could...if we(they) continue down the path they're wanting US to follow.

Don't get me wrong on this...I don't hate Democrats.There's plenty of Republicans "up there" doing little to sound the alarm about where things are heading.It's really NOT about party affiliation in reality.THIS is what it's REALLY about..."spiritual warfare in the heavenlies"...."for we wrestle not with flesh and blood...but with powers,with Spiritual wickedness in HIGH PLACES"....Believe it or not...doesn't matter.It's a fact and it aint stoppin till every GOD loving person is removed from this planet.(then the fun REALLY begins...with your children,and their children,and theirs)."fear not therefore...for you believe in GOD,believe also in Me"...Jesus Christ...new testament."If it were not so,I would have told you".

* Last updated by: blue07 on 9/12/2010 @ 12:00 PM *

Will, take a look at the Patriot Act, then gun-affiliated bills, then you'll start to break the outer layer of the rights we're slowly being relieved of. A good reference - factcheck.org.

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Ya...I'll stop "preachin" now...except to say that IMO we need as a people to pray for the survival of the US....and that those in power be replaced with those who are tuned in to the realities of the 21st century in regards to WHERE we're trying to be taken.Replaced with people who understand the genuine threats and works of those who wish to see us fall...from within AND without.This present set of people either just don't get it...or worse...hope it will come to pass(for whatever reason).This is a dangerous time for the US....Bin Laden and his buds promised already several years ago(right after 9/11) that an even greater and more spectacular event was gonna happen to us here.He wasn't dreaming when he said that.He hasn't stopped working on his plan...not for one minute.It won't involve a couple thousand....he said.."millions".He's a very smart person.He doesn't say these kinds of things glibly.I say pray.And vote as you are lead.We've got several extremely intelligent people who could really turn things around if given the chance.And there's NO DOUBT with them about how they feel about America and her allies.And what it takes in this day and age to keep us safe and growing.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 9/12/2010 @ 9:41 PM *

Glen Beck's book "Common Sense

Ah no thanks I have no need to be entertained but it sounds as if you have a better grasp on this subject than I do. So please tell me one law that was passed by Congress that they are exempt from this will start my education process and I'll take it from there thanks in advance.

So anyone know how the health care Congress gets is any differant than military personel are getting

hey guys I Dont know your medical system or the changes there,Here in OZ not so long ago we had a " elected priminister" start to immediately force everyone in to private healthcare I have always bin opposed to this cause they still took the public fees off us too ($1600) plus years ago my wife under Private Cover got some nasty gap bills for a small 1 day opp on her finger, my point is under the public system here (medicare)in all our lives times including bike acc./birth of sons and many other visits to the hospital even NOW we dont incure any fees for public hospital care it's only for elected opps. that you have to wait a long time for !! what im getting at is not one person here regaurdless of fortune misses out on any care !!!! ie:THIS PUBLIC REPAIR HAS COST NOT 1 DOLLAR MORE THAN MY LEVIE OF $$800 PER/ANNAM HERE, now I truely understand why we still ARE called the "LUCKY COUNTRY"

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Congress Health Care

Fact Check

Towards the end of the last article posted, you'll notice the section that starts off "In addition, members of Congress also qualify for some medical benefits that ordinary federal workers do not."

From nra.org - Gun Control

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Congress Health Care

Fact Check

Towards the end of the last article posted, you'll notice the section that starts off "In addition, members of Congress also qualify for some medical benefits that ordinary federal workers do not."

So it appears Congress gets the same health care coverage as military personel and all other Federal Gov worker plus some additional services that they pay for out of there own pockets. I 'm not really sure if I have a problem with that after all they pay for the additional services.. What I don't think is right is that they get to use military hospitals for out patient care while other federal employees can't.In my view thats just unfair

In addition, members of Congress also qualify for some medical benefits that ordinary federal workers do not. They (but not their families) are eligible to receive limited medical services from the Office of the Attending Physician of the U.S. Capitol, after payment of an annual fee ($491in 2007). But services don’t include surgery, dental care or eyeglasses, and any prescriptions must be filled at the member’s expense.

House and Senate members (but not their families) also are eligible to receive care at military hospitals. For outpatient care, there is no charge at the Washington, D.C., area hospitals (Walter Reed Army Medical Center and National Naval Medical Center). Inpatient care is billed at rates set by the Department of Defense.

To Ban 18 to 20 year olds is wrong from a Constitutional perspective America considers 18 year olds adults. Unfortunately I don't think a specific age for manhood was mentioned in the Constitution. IMOP if you are 18 you are a young adult and have a right to a firearm. I'm not sure why people have a problem with sane law abiding non felons from owning guns.

Hey men I now have a good grasp on all said,but when do any working class and for that fact white collar too have any vote on what counts for us all in healthcare and isues that concern the common man/woman/child ACTUALY right now in AUSTRALIA ! WHY YOU MAY ASK,WELL it took 17 days to have a winner this time it was a minority win for the Australian Labour party (NO MANDATE) they had to make a "DEAL" with 4 independents, most people in the so called "Know" since this has happened they( OPPOSITION) are preaching disaster and say nothing will ever be passed or agreed on it will be more like a hung parlliment!!!!!!!! I say "CRAP" this is great for us , instead of a majority "P O W E R" making rushed passed legistrated policies like what your talking about "now" they have to talk it "over" with some pretty savy independents to get it through,they only have 72+4 IND. out of 150 seats and the libs have 73+1 IND ,so inafect without their INDEPENDENTS votes, they cant "RUBBER STAMP" a rushed bill whithout total scrutiny ! just by sheer fluke of our election results we have maybe the best chance of a "Fair Go" PS. OUR public "MEDICARE" is for every Australian Medicare was introduced to Australia july 1975 by the Whitlam Labour government,since then the Liberals on several occasions since tried to dissmantal it !!!!

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