[quote]For Dragking...you'll have to come UP my man...on the Canadian border.Montana.Northwest Montana.And make sure ya bring yer longjohns! [quote]
Sure! I'll look into it. It'll be a nice trip!

Kinda cool though havin it on video

I think it was the call of the doughnut that saved you, blue. Here is something that has crossed my mind: What cop is going to risk his job letting me off on a ticket for doing over 100 mph when I have a camera rolling on the bike? I mean, I'm sure the cop often has a camera going in the car but he isn't going to go and post his film on youtube. The Sarg sees that and he would be pretty pissed.

maybe I have just grown paranoid. I have video of a cop passing me while I was going (a'hem) really fast. I put it on "share with friends only." In fact, there are so many street signs and recognizable landmarks in my videos, I put them all on "private" for a while. I'm starting to loosen up a bit. You get a wreckless driving or 35+ over and it will make you stop and think a while................not that thinking ever totally put a stop to going fast.

I don't worry about being recognized by Law enforcement.I'm the only guy in Montana with a Blue zx14 with American Flags on er flanks.I'm fairly sure after 5 riding seasons here and being stopped a few times...they probably know who I am by now...I have to say....these Lawmen here are the best.Very cool most of em...you know...I was VERY ready to pull over at the slightest showing of lights in my mirror.And would have.Even thought I may as well pull over now.But....it would have been a waste of time.Pretty sure though that he must have had his radar off....something.Once they light ya up,they can't go back and erase the tape or whatever it is.And I think they have to probably turn their shift tapes over at the end of their shifts?IDK about that.But that's the impression I've always had.No way to let ya off cause "They didn't see ya" or something.

There's no way he could have known I had a cam going...not where it was mounted.Wouldn't have seen it anyway at that speed.Nah...I think I just was given a second chance for whatever reason....he just let it go this time.Heck...I've passed those same guys a bunch of times riding that particular road.Not going THAT fast,but usually,80 at least.Limit's 70.They will let ya slide at 11 mph over.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 10/2/2011 @ 12:57 AM *

I just was given a second chance for whatever reason.

Pretty sure though that he must have had his radar off.

There's no way he could have known I had a cam going...not where it was mounted.Wouldn't have seen it anyway at that speed

Must Be some Leaked Info By Now, Anyone ?

"200 ponies"...1441cc...

200 crankshaft ponies, that's maybe 170 to 175 rearwheel. We've heard all this hype before, look at the 2011 ZX10R. Don't get me wrong, I love mine but they were claiming 207 HP in the pre-release teasers. When all the smoke cleared, the US version made maybe 165 at the back wheel.

* Last updated by: Kruz on 10/2/2011 @ 2:14 PM *

200 crankshaft ponies, that's maybe 170 to 175 rearwheel.

We have that now. 220 at the crank this year?????????????????? 10 dollar bet ?,,,,, naaaaaa

200 crankshaft ponies, that's maybe 170 to 175 rearwheel.

That is what I have been thinking. It has been so long since comparing ## between brands really meant anything but if the stock '08 zx-14 was reported to make 162 hp / 107 tq, this new one is really up against the law of diminishing returns. The old one was getting 12 hp/100cc. It follows adding 90 cc displacement would get another 7-9 hp-----unless they are doing something more than just increasing engine size.

The old figure was ~190 crankshaft hp (I think--like I said, been a long time since I really cared). We will get 200 crank and 170 rwhp.

* Last updated by: Rook on 10/2/2011 @ 5:59 PM *

With same bore but 4mm more stroke, I'm thinking torque will get the biggest boost and not much change in top end HP.

At least that's my wish, more grunt please, spin the wheel from 1500rpm

^^^^ I'm wit stupid fast. Take for example the shaka cars out about moving over lane. No, this time the pizza delivery car was changing lanes fine. I just knew it was getting off or about to take my lane. WOT did I do in 6th with this beauty? I wanna see a 60mph to 80mph shootout in top gear, see who blows away the doorslammer fastest.

If that X to Y (bore+stroke) is balanced back to 4mm each, that says, 'longer crank, the longer the hang time' = The rod has to come around. Pucker up now and blow out but hold your lips together is more hang time torque; when that rod comes around its blowdown!

OH shit! Look at the size of that Beyousa blew bye you!

Evening gentlemen,

Interesting speculations and wild discussion. Yes, hp must rise exponentially with velocity to overcome fluid(air) resistance; twice the velocity requires 2^3 horsepower. 100 mph requires 8 times the hp to combat the increased air resistance over 5 that at 50 mph. Rolling resistance meanwhile plays a role that is only in direct proportion to velocity. Common modern sedans with their coefficient of resistance may require 7hp for rolling resistance and 8 hp for air resistance at 50 mph. At 100 mph, then, they would require roughly 14 hp for rolling resistance and 64 hp for air resistance; a total of 78 hp to maintain velocity. At 150 mph,they would need 21 + 216 = 237 hp. At 200 mph, they need 28 + 512 = 540 hp. Now these are approximate figures based on some mean coefficient; additionally, these requirements are to reach those speeds on a flat smooth surface near sea level; not to maintain these velocities over time under varying conditions. Consider your favorite performance car and its top speed vs these figures and I think you will see that the figures are "in the ball park". Four to five hundred hp Mustangs, Vipers and Corvettes? Cars breaking and holding 200 mph plus are routinely running over 700 hp to maybe a thousand ponies. The cube of the velocity multiplier to overcome a change in velocity remains the same for all vehicles. The coefficient and hp requirements vary according to design. Which means the multiplier on a increase from 185 to 200 mph is 1.08 and the associated multiplier on the hp requirement is (1.08)^3. That would only be 1.26. If the dyno on your ZX reads max hp of 167 hp and the bike will run 185, then ignoring the linear increase in drag coefficient and accrediting all the resistance to fluid dynamics, you would need somewhat less than 210 hp on the dyno to achieve 200+ mph! If we allow wriggle room and for a loss of as much as 40 hp in the drivetrain, our bikes engine needs to churn out 250 hp.

I can't believe you haven't seen this: (Latest issue of Motorcyclist Mag/November 2011) 250hp supercharged ZX-14 without intercooler/ modeled after the current Kawi watercraft Ultra 300X/ that's 300 as in hp!

Looks sort of brand new engine family/new frame? I don't see how you can pack something behind that engine without...

This thread is now 12 pages. I'm pretty sure some one brought up the fact that Kawi has had 4 patent documents regarding supercharger. I know I read it here or at BL. Still speculation. ...and people have been bringing that old rumor up since '08.

it's gonna be a bore/stroke.

One thing's for sure...that pic is NOT what the new 14 is looking like.So I would have serious doubts about the claimed supercharger(not that I wouldn't want one...but).They could do it if they chose to...and maybe they did?We'll know very soon.Perhaps the bore and stroke deal AND a supercharger?Could be....but not in a package as the pic shows.THAT's an imaginary rendition of a 10 and a 14.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 10/4/2011 @ 12:54 AM *

OMG, working on page #13! LOL

First note that the Motorcyclist text is all about the motor; not about the style. They don't speculate as to form and structure of the bike and only used the already published (in Japanese mags) composite visual rendition of the bike as an eye grabbing column header.

Second note that several on this site, including Rook (I believe), have speculated that a bore and stroke with status quo on breathing, etc would only bring minimal hp increase. An increase of a few ponies that can be obtained by already available aftermarket accessories.

Third note that 'there are only two types of ZX-14 riders; those that have an oil leak and those that will have an oil leak'. Heh, heh. Got my leak cured (for now) at the 14,000 mile valve job.

So I speculate that Kawi is going to machine a fix for that pesky leak (a troublesome annoyance that besmirches Kawi's "bullet proof" rep) and while they are there why not bore and stroke it? At the same time, the bike is overdue for an upgrade that keeps it in a class by itself (discounting the Busa) and 'Oh, by the way, we happen to have a functional and proven supercharger sitting on the shelf in the back room'!

Now, to be in a class above the current crop of superbikes, as Motorcyclist points out, requires in my opinion a major step into the 200+ mph stratosphere currently occupied only by exotic performance cars. Ballpark figures based on the current ZX14 form and function and following the power requirements set by simple physics dictates that the motor generate about 250 hp at the crank. Lo and Behold: Motorcyclist opines that the supercharger proven on the Kawi watercraft without the aide of an intercooler and with only mild to moderate boost can generate the needed UMMMPH!

Just speculating and and havin' fun; but if this actually happens to come to fruition and especially with the ZX-10 electronics on board, I may have to break my long tradition of buying last year's model and actually order a brand new one. After all, at my age (mid sixties) how long can I wait?

Cheers,
PaulAB

I've got no oil leak. Maybe I better check to make sure it was made by Kawasaki and is a ZX14.

I laughed really hard when I read my current Motorcyclist, I can't believe they just had to run a story on the 2012 ZX-whatever that they used Photoshop-ed picture from Japan.

But I'm down with the idea of a mild improvement ZX14 and a wild and costly ZX15 with supercharger. Would actually make a lot of sense.

No matter, in 6 days, we will know for sure. :)

When Rickey was winding up that 14, did you hear a turbine whistle sort of super send the air pressured in there? I don't think it's this year unless it comes out like a connie clone.

Monday we find out!!!!!!!

I'd love it too but I don't think it is gonna happen. The watercraft engine has a whole lake to cool it. I thought that was the problem that was making it's application to a land vehicle impossible.

6 day countdown!!!!!!!!!!! I like the new front.

Me too Mat.They've kept the unique zx14 nose.Glad they didn't Busafy it!

oh, come now blue. if the pics we are seeing are reoresentative of the new bike, it has a few features that look rather busaesque. If you ask me, now is not the time to try to go busa when you got a better performance package. but who cares----most of us will dump the pipes anyway.

-most of us will dump the pipes anyway.

I mean, "most of us WOULD dump the pipes." I'm not getting one of these any time soon.

I don't think it's this year unless it comes out like a connie clone.

2ND, if so happens to be, the first one I see will be in my garage. 220 crank, the end