Rev wrote:

No facts? Um... this link proves it: http://ninja14r.kawasaki.com/witness/

Note the domain in that URL.. KAWASAKI.COM. Doesn't get more factual than that. So if it's not 84x65 1440cc then the lies are coming from KHI.

There are no specs there, no news release, nothing. All we know is 10/10 is the press release date.

It proves nothing except Kawasaki thinks the 2012 ZX14 is going to be new technology. And even that is not stated, we can only assume.

But that might mean just better lighting, ABS and TC (from the ZX10 or C14, so basically "free"), even a bigger bore to reach 1429.

But there are no facts on the website as of today, so there is no proof of anything but the existance of a 2012 ZX14.

Edgecrusher wrote:

If I can play devils advocate #2, (privateer has #1 reserved already), at what point do you think these companies are just going to say enough is enough? The 14 and the busa are plenty big already as far as measurements go and reguardless of how important we think we are, big fast 'dangerous' bikes are not appreciated in society. I think any increase in performance as far as engine output would be merely fodder to shut people up and say they did something. I think if they got something people are buying up quickly their incentive to do anything majorly different is low considering they are still making money on it.

Like someone said before, these aren't the kind of economic times to be putting a ton of R&D into a new engine if you don't have to. There were a lot of ridiculous increases in engine size in the 90's ( the triumph rocket comes to mind) that I think were simply a product of the booming market of the time. Now not so much.

I think if KHI wanted to improve the bike they would start giving it the treatment the 1k's have been getting for the last ten to twelve years. Shave weight, improve geometry, and ergonomics and also practicality. Maybe duplicate parts to use on several model lines to cut costs including the 14. There's no reason the 14 needs big 1980s foot pegs. lol

I had to quote the whole post, Edgecrusher, because you are one of the few talking common sense. Not because you seem to agree with a major part of my premise, but because in the total and complete absence of specifications, press releases, or ANY facts which can be linked or reprinted, one has to deal with the reality of economics and the regulatory environment until KHI issues a corporate press release.

A) KHI doesn't have enough money, like ANY big company in Japan since the tsunamis, to do more than buff the ZX14 a little and hope the industry press says good things about it. Especially with their obscenely expensive WSB development and racing expenses.

B) The Hyabusa is dead, so it iss not the same reason to be for the ZX14 that existed in 2006-2008.

C) The laws of the US and many European countries will FORCE KHI to hardwire HP limitations and speed limitations into the new ECU if they really do something more than cosmetic / traction control to the 2012 ZX14. And expect the new ECU to be even harder to crack than the current ECU, meaning nobody can afford to hire the computer engineers it would take to reverse engineer it. If KHI brings a 210ish HP ZX14 to the US in 2012, I guarentee the ECU will limit it or it won't get certification. Governments are fed up with high horsepower high speed motorcycles, and have legislated against them many times since 1998.

D) The Z1000 series is selling thousands of bikes for every ZX14 sold. Money talks. Light weight with torquey engines is all the rage, for good reason. They are more fun than overweight wanna-be sportbikes.

But I will be JUST AS HAPPY as everyone if KHI wows us with a truly stellar 2012 ZX14R which DESERVES the "R" designation.

I just think there is going to be a whole lot of disappointment when you realize how much it costs for an extra 20 horsepower.

* Last updated by: privateer on 9/22/2011 @ 7:06 AM *

I whole-heartedly agree. I think people can argue all they want about what the customers want and expect but what it really comes down to is money making. I don't think anyone wants to see the bike stay the same forever and it's always exciting to see a truly awesome power upgrade. But realistically, I think these big bike's time is close to the end. I wouldn't be surprised if they did one more change and then in a couple years drop the model. It happens all the time with big bikes. It's actually the way it goes. In the future, I wouldn't be surpised if the Concours was the only option. But for now the 14 is supposedly selling well enough to keep it in production. And these 'leaked' videos just keep that ball 'a rollin'.

But it sure is fun to try to anticipate what's gonna come down the pike. I just feel that until things shape up internationally, I won't expect to see anything that great.

Although, BMW sure seems to have plenty to do and spend lately.

Speaking of the teaser videos, I have half a mind to think these are just a hoax. I mean, look at that motorcycle accident video and what extent they went to to make that seem real. But then again I'm just talking out my ass and tryin to rile peeps up. :)

* Last updated by: Edgecrusher on 9/22/2011 @ 7:22 AM *

No, Edgecrusher, you not just riling folks up, you are applying critical thinking and Occam's Razor.

Hub makes a travesty of the Razor, but thats ok, I don't think he understands.

And folks today, in this country where Math and Composition scores are plummeting, critical thinking is at a critical low. The ability to sort fact from fiction, to take premises which seem wonderful on the face of it, but the underpinnings are weak and need to be exposed.

Our politicians could use a big dose of critical thinking. I'm tired of fantasy being presented as fact.

The video tricksters are a fact of the 21st century. I think the tv add of the cute redhead teenage girl saying "thats not a puppy, thats too small to be a puppy" is spot on as a comment about the amount of noise in the information flow.

If it is too good to be true, or too complicated to be likely, it probably isn't.

But of course, we all love to be surprised with extraordinarily good results. Heh.

* Last updated by: privateer on 9/22/2011 @ 7:28 AM *

"And even that is not stated, we can only assume""A) KHI doesn't have enough money, like ANY big company in Japan since the tsunamis, to do more than buff the ZX14 a little and hope the industry press says good things about it"."critical thinking is at a critical low"."Governments are fed up with high horsepower high speed motorcycles, and have legislated against them many times since 1998"."There are no specs there, no news release, nothing. All we know is 10/10 is the press release date".

Yes,critical thinking IS at an all time low.....just read these 'facts"......."All we KNOW is 10/10 is the release date"...really?How do we know that?If we don't know IF there even IS a new 14.....how can we possibly know WHEN it will be unveiled?The 'videos' prove nothing...according to some.So if they prove nothing,then it is NOT a fact that a purported 'release date' is actually valid.Your argument is full of holes Privateer.Critical thinking is NOT based on assumptions."KHI doesn't have enough money"...and how do you know that 'fact'?I don't think Ford Motor Company went broke when we had Hurricane Katrina.Or GM.Or Nabisco foods.

Nobody went out of business here after 9/11.What the heck does a Tsunami have to do with KHI's solvency?They aren't Japan's Treasury.If anything,they made a gazillion more off the need for heavy equipment and rescue helicopters!Sheesh.

It's ONLY a motorcycle.Not plated in gold.You think they're gonna go broke punchin out a 1440 engine(their Cruisers have bigger CI's than that)...ECU upgrade(?).They could afford to take every bike they have and trash em,and start all over.Wouldn't even make a dent in their bottom line.Figure it out.These guys(legit companies) buyin NEW,zero mile zx14's...right now...today...this minute.Takin out the internals and engines,and makin the Trex's and such.Whattaya think those guys are payin for those new bikes?...from Kawasaki.13,000?I DON'T THINK SO.

I'm no brainiac...but I believe Kawasaki isn't about to throw money away on something as superficial as a zx14 facelift.They make things to SELL....not just 'for the fun of it'.Those are the same guys that come to Las Vegas...you know...the "whales".Certainly no shortage of cash with those guys!

I guess if it's nighttime,we can assume that the Sun has stopped shining...yes?Yeeeesh.

And if a tree falls in the forest...well,you know.I think.I'm not sure....maybe?Aw,you'll get it sooner or later....probably....

* Last updated by: blue07 on 9/22/2011 @ 8:20 AM *

The gov is like a website. You begin to step up the pace, you get banned. Sound familiar? This is not a dangerous bike. Granny turning left in front of a bike IS!

How many Calif motor patrol have eaten it at intersection with headlight on? Gov waste is a wasted vote you voted in a diaper changer, not a go hit it out of the park ya pussies!

LOL blue07, ranting doesn't do your point any good. LOL.

The 10/10 press release date is verified by my dealer, and on the Kawasaki website. So at least the press release date is fairly certain.

And that KHI thinks the "R" designator is applicable, and that the front end has been changed.

But this is all Kawasaki is saying today.

So everything else is fantasy.

No Privateer....that 'supposed website" is NOT actual.It's a fake.There is no release date.There's nothing to release.There is no 'R' designation on anything.If you believe that website,then you're as gullible as the rest of the guys here."That's all Kawasaki is saying"...really?If it isn't their website,then they're not saying anything.It's a scam.Can't you see that?There IS no website.No new model release.
"Verified by my dealer"....How's he know that?By some phone call from some 'rep' telling him?By seeing the fake teasers about it?Don't tell me you actually BELIEVE he's really got the inside scoop?C'mon Privateer...get real.The premise that there even IS a zx14 coming out is all 'based' on unproven rhetoric.This thing doesn't exist.It's a worldwide sham.There is no new zx14.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 9/22/2011 @ 9:15 AM *

So everything else is fantasy.

Now...as for the rest of you gullible zx14 enthusiasts....I CAN BARELY WAIT FOR 10/10 Just don't forget...."trust no one Mr.Mulder" .

* Last updated by: blue07 on 9/22/2011 @ 9:53 AM *

Point granted. So we pretty much agree all the speculation is complete and utter fantasy.

So we pretty much agree all the speculation is complete and utter fantasy.

Of course it is... and nothing wrong with that, IMO... but the 84x65 is not speculation... Gonna be a very nice bump in torque.

So Priv, this is gonna be the first big Kaw you don't jump on, right? So c'mon... you know a few years ago you'd be as excited as a teenage boy on his first trip to Mexico as well.

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 9/22/2011 @ 1:19 PM *

that dash looks sexy... Especially when it's gna be glowing at night.

that dash looks sexy... Especially when it's gna be glowing at night.

Yeppers... never cared much for the white gauges... glad to see the change.

You notice the 11k redline and selector switch?

Fake I tell ya!That's no proof of nuthin...photoshopped.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 9/22/2011 @ 5:42 PM *

Fake I tell ya!That's no proof of nuthin...photoshopped.

lol... Gotta say, I'm a bit skeptical of speedaholic.net after seing this obvious photoshop:

But the other pics are the same ones posted by RG, and then promptly removed, when he "leaked" the vid of himself testing the new bike.

that dash looks sexy... Especially when it's gna be glowing at night.

Everything about that is more busa'esque. Black faces, silver rim, logo between faces. So glad they stuck with the traditional style fluid reservoirs. Got rid of the dimples on either side of the council. I wish they could get away from that 'off the shelf' looking rectangular multifunction meter LCD display.

They are copying the busa exhaust, too. Looks better and if it wins some sales, more power to them.

* Last updated by: Rook on 9/22/2011 @ 6:48 PM *

There is no new zx14....c'mon you guys.Get with the program will ya?(even IF those headlamps WERE photoshopped...they'd still look shweet.The small angled dark areas in the front of the lamps...that DOES(close anyway) match the diagrams of those designers on that one video.A slightly more pointed nose...I can dig that.And the bodywork/fitment looks VERY nice....no gaps....nice fit on that upper ram duct cover.IF that's the 'new' dash...hell yeah...she's a lookin SWEET!Nice pics Dogo!Ya know Rook...I'm not seein "Busaesque"....I'm just not.I'm seein....."200 mph"....uhhuh,yep...that's what I'm seein!!!!! At LEAST...200.Probably more.WHHEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From what I can 'see',she's gonna have some sort of bodywork'fins' comin off the side fairing,right at the front and along the fairing seam,subtle,but there.Should look NICE!My guess...a modified Kanard foil.Little forward pressure never hurt anything,yes?Coupled with that windscreen/cockpit area.Nice reverse windflow goin on in there methinks.Kinda like...drafting in yer own wake!"Sweet!

I went on the Kawi website.The little videos they show on the bottom....tantalizing....they have one specifically "taken" on the Ortega Highway.If anyone knows what that highway is like....think 'DRAGON".California style.Awesome road and extremely twisty.Quite dangerous actually for the novice.Hub knows I'm pretty sure.Just thought that was 'interesting' that they would 'spotlight' their new bird there.It's mainly a 600,1000 size bike heaven.Implications?Me thinks so .

From the Kawasaki website...to me :

"You will now receive the latest information on the Ninja® ZX™-14R from Kawasaki. We'll make sure that you're the first to know whenever there's anything new to share as we lead up to this epic arrival. Just like you, we're on pins and needles waiting for Kawasaki's flagship superbike to arrive. And when it does, you can be certain that speed will never feel the same again".

Note the last sentence

* Last updated by: blue07 on 9/23/2011 @ 12:30 AM *

DogoZX wrote:

Of course it is... and nothing wrong with that, IMO... but the 84x65 is not speculation... Gonna be a very nice bump in torque.

So Priv, this is gonna be the first big Kaw you don't jump on, right? So c'mon... you know a few years ago you'd be as excited as a teenage boy on his first trip to Mexico as well.

Yes, this will be the first new introduction of a "big Kaw" that I will not run right out and buy. Its the end of the run for me.

I always let people pass me anyway, as it is, on bikes I could smoke while yawning if I wanted to. Whats one more, rare from my viewpoint (since I don't see many other ZX14s in my travels)?

DogoZX I think your new avatar is sick. And funny as hell!

No Privateer....that 'supposed website" is NOT actual.It's a fake.

Thing is, it's a URL with "kawasaki.com" in it, which means that it could only be set up by the owner of the kawasaki.com domain. No way to create a website with a URL that contains somebody else's domain. -bg

blue07 wrote:

No Privateer....that 'supposed website" is NOT actual.It's a fake.There is no release date.There's nothing to release.There is no 'R' designation on anything.If you believe that website,then you're as gullible as the rest of the guys here."That's all Kawasaki is saying"...really?If it isn't their website,then they're not saying anything.It's a scam.Can't you see that?There IS no website.No new model release.

You are kidding, right?

The "supposed website" is 2012 ZX14 Announcement is in the domain kawasaki.com so its controlled by KHI.

The ninja14r on the front is just like a www in front it specifies a server machine.

In my domain, pball.com, I have triton.pball.com, memnoch.pball.com, mjolnir.pball.com, etc.

Same deal. Nobody can put a website that has a root domain of kawasaki.com without KHI authorizing it.

Just like nobody could put up a website in the domain pball.com without me logging in as Admin of pball.com at Network Solutions and adding it. Otherwise, the WHOIS and root domain name servers would not return a valid IP address for the new URL and so typing <whatever>.pball.com into a web browser would result in HTTP Invalid Address.

Since the machine triton.pball.com actually exists and is a discrete machine (hardware, with a static IP, listed in the root servers) you could put triton.pball.com in your web brower and it would say HTTP 404 http not suppported or something like that (varies) because there is not web server running on triton.

I admit, I was stumped by the fact ninja14r.kawasaki.com has a different IP block address from www.kawasaki.com, but after going to Kloth DIG NSLookup and running a full trace on ninja14r.kawasaki.com I received the following:

ninja14r.kawasaki.com. 21600 IN A 69.220.21.191
kawasaki.com. 21600 IN NS mia01.digex.com.
kawasaki.com. 21600 IN NS mia02.digex.com.

This is PROOF that ninja14r.kawasaki.com is owned and administered by kawasaki.com and hence, is a KHI corporate website.

QED

EDIT: Actually, triton.pball.com put in the URL window of a web browser will work, you won't get a normal website though. I forgot I have the web interface enabled on my FTP server so folks can access some files I serve through a full screen web access interface.

* Last updated by: privateer on 9/23/2011 @ 12:03 PM *