IDK...but I think IF Kawasaki was only unveiling a 'bigger displacement' motor....the new model will be a practical 'flop'.I think the new model is gonna be a real surprise to everyone .Has anyone even thought about WHY Kawasaki decided to release a 1440?Doesn't this engine size pique your imagination even a little?

NOTE:....'You must think like a Ninja'....

* Last updated by: blue07 on 9/26/2011 @ 2:59 PM *

I think that will be about 10 years.

It is TOTAL BS when you say that the internal combustion engine will cease in 10 yrs.

Stated as a matter of opinion, not fact.

There is no other power source sans nuclear energy that has as much power in one gallon of gasoline as gasoline

The problem has always been the tremendous weight of battereies. Looks like we are getting close to solving that problem. Take 2-300 pounds of electric motor put up against a gas motor of the same size,,,,my money is on the electric motor. 10 feet/quarter mile/top speed.

194 hp / 300'lbs of tq? This guy has TOO MUCH torque. Almost never even was able to open the throttle 100%. Front would not stay planted under WOT even at 150 mph. ~40% heavier (580 lbs same as our 14s)than the gas powerds and still........BYE-BYE!!!!

just cut to the chase and go to 4:00

this party is FAR from over.

Hope your right, Donny. I love the sound of a inline 4 screaming through the gears. Always did. Ten years is a long time for us to sew what wild oats we still have left in us but when I get to be Hub's age I am going to be on one these babies. I'm sure the petri=oleum industry will keep us on gasoline for all it is worth. No reason to leave a drop unburned as long as it can be sold.

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Not sure this is worth posting... but will help keep everyone's imaginations active:

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I'd jump on 300 pounds of torque... Give up that sound out of the ground. WATThe fuck do I look like? OLD! I wanna fry on that bike it shorts out.

Lookeyearugrats, Ohm's Law says 1/32nd throttle opening...

Kawi the king is dead! Long live feeding us that shit HP like a drippy faucet... While we're young! Hip-hip who ray for chipyates (no pun intended), ya yipsteers.

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Excuse me?

Dreamweaver my layer over the clutch cover sloppy joe sandswitch on the 'slow model?' Oh, now look at the stats. Stroke me a milli one up. Bore me 4 more out. Soupit up with charger and hold on...

... Funny how you do not see the '44 mm throttle body digital injection' in that list. Or, how nothing is listed about the fuel system. But that lower portion about soup pure charged? Bunch of soup mix and man, I'm going to cut up some potatoes, carrots, heat some hot broth and sip on some clean soup is soup up my dinner with some hot sauce like WOTslobby be stirring in me poop tater soup.

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnn. 10/10/11 and waiting... Shit, how much is my bike worth as is? I might not want to pass up a spitter offer if they got one of them RGone off the back. This is WOThe doctor ordered.

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What R U talking about "soup pure charger"? You'll go getting everyone in an uproar, Hub. All I see is they added 88cc and somehow they dropped 11 pounds. Gonna make 200 hp. Impressive if that is rwhp. The old 14 is like 190hp at the crank, no?

Same frame, same fairings except the top, same dimensions. Same engine drilled out a little bigger.

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This better be good

This not much of a make over------which is what I expected.

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...................................ok now you got me thinking. What if all the mods on my old 14 would fit the new 15??? then what?
nah JK

Looks like they will.

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Any weight loss that might have happened would be off the wheels. (or if they are sneaky, they took some weight off the stock exhaust...oh that would be sneaky....no more Kawi for me if they pulled that one)

They might have just made a Suz man out of me.

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Bore and stroke is what they are claiming and that is prolly about all you gonna get out this deal. That and a slightly different top fairing (which looks quite nice, IMHO----still like the old one though).
I don't think they are going to spend piles of R&D cash on this. We have been boring 14s ever since there have been 14s.

mm-hm.

It will be faster than the 10 off the line and top speed will be a little higher. That they can do. Accelleration over 100 mph is going to be a bit faster with the new 10. That is the way it has always been. If the pattern breaks, this will truly be amazing.

I would need some further informatiomn before I was persuaded that a simpole bore /stroke was cost prohibitive. Seems the cheapest way to add power to me. hellof a lot cheaper than putting in a factory supercharger.

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They are copying the busa exhaust, too.

Not that I would keep the stock exhaust on there but they could have done more than paint the can and leave the tip polished.

I hate to rain on the parade before it even gets off the ground but this is the same bike as always. They just did the minimum to give it what it needs to hold it's place in the kawi line up of sportbikes. If I were buying s bike for the first time all over again, I guess I would take the new 14 over the old. Already owning two hyperbikes, the new ZX-10 looks like the bike I would choose rather than trade up to a new 14.

I'm all for getting the excitement going around the 14 though. For me, I will wait til next gen.

* Last updated by: Rook on 9/26/2011 @ 8:33 PM *

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I think the motorcyclefamous.com page is full of BS... hence...

Not sure this is worth posting... but will help keep everyone's imaginations active:

Hub, sounds like you're thinkin' RG was testing the new bike when he crashed?... or you just stirring the pot?

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Dogo is mining these things from the deep dark. How does this look to you?

That is about 3, I don't know, say 10 months into photoshop if you can master some of it.

113.5lbs of torque, down from 114. HP is up, though. Gets you there faster if 113.5 is not doing it. Who is coming up with a flat out 200 hp rated number? Who wrote supercharger under each bike color? I looked again for that fuel metering device used on the bike... It's a no show as if the press release would not show their KSPC [Kawi super pooper charger] or some PAIR rattle off of the letters and what they mean.

Here is your booklet to keep up with the legal lingo between brands.

* Last updated by: Hub on 9/26/2011 @ 9:11 PM *

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Hub, sounds like you're thinkin' RG was testing the new bike when he crashed?... or you just stirring the pot?

If he was running the new bike at the strip, it has to be coming out of the hole if he lost the bike at 40 or 50 mph is [my] speculation. I can't see any other speed that slow, unless he had an incident on the return road and lost it. He has no clue what happened so there are only witnesses to know the real story. He's lucky for sure.

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If he was running the new bike at the strip, it has to be coming out of the hole if he lost the bike at 40 or 50 mph is [my] speculation. I can't see any other speed that slow, unless he had an incident on the return road and lost it.

Interesting... it may just be the spitter you're hoping for after all.

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Those are not the new zx.You won't see anything but the snippets on the genuine Kawi site.THAT'S what the new bird is looking like.

KHI will unveil something radically different than the current 14, they would not be spinning this campaign up if they didn't have something special to unveil. And Blue, Hub does revert to personal attacks en mass, the old board he and I and this other chap up in Canada would go round and round until I just gave up on the Hubster's Homo Antics.

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Yes, Hub's writings on this forum is 60% gibberish, and laced with personal attacks.

As for the 2012 ZX14R, I am on the edge of my seat, because I understand from 40+ years of seeing the motorcycle industry evolve and grow, that power and agility cost big bucks in the motorcycle market. But that technology improvements often help offset those costs.

Case in point, the ZX11 cost a cool 10k, pretty much out the door. The 2011 ZX14 cost pretty much 14k. The ZX11 went 200mph easy. The ZX11 turned almost as good stock 1/4 times as the ZX14.

So for 4,000 dollars, we got a less comfortable bike, that weighs too much, and goes a little faster in the quarter mile.

I do NOT consider that progress. I was dazzled by the ZX14 until I rode it 5,000 miles and figured out the ZX11 was every bit a better sport touring bike and way more fun to ride.

I wish I had elected not to total my ZX11, and had Dublin Kawasaki rebuild it, and then kept it.

So I am on the edge of my seat, because conservative costs increase for 1440-ish cc, would be $1,500 for new cylinder and bigger pistons, stronger connecting rods, stronger crank, better bearings, at a minimum

So it has to cost at least 15k, and if they do anything else, it will just add up.

Unless KHI suddenly got stupid and is willing to lose money on a class of bike which is obsolete.

* Last updated by: privateer on 9/27/2011 @ 12:07 PM *

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Guess it depends on what you're after...and what you consider "more fun".That zx11 is NOT a 14.I've never ridden any sport oriented bikes except the zzr 1200,zx12R,and my 14.Each one had it's aha times.IMO,the 14 is way beyond those other two.But it's still....a sportbike.It has it's limitations as well.Acceptable to me anyway.I'll never push my 14 to it's full potential.It's most definitely the best fun bike I've owned.It is very modable...bars,risers,seats,pipes.Stuff like that.I have the most fun out of it in sport mode.I've had er set up for touring as well...without the bags.Just depends on what a guy wants.I think...and it's only an opinion...but...anyone trying to get the zx14 to be a full on touring bike is gonna be left feeling underwhelmed.This bike shines at higher speed performance.Without the extra stuff changing the aerodynamics.I've tried different windshield setups.I have gotten the best performance from the stock parts.All that stuff is,well,cool...yeah.But the stock configuration for riding this bike as intended is quite noticeable once you've changed things up some,and gone back.I think cruising on the 14 is a very nice and comfortable experience,yes.Smooth.Vibration free.Light feeling.Mine is anyway.I'm happy with the way mine handles.I'm not running the TT circuit.Or trying to drive it like it's a 600 or GP bike.It isn't.It's a bigazz DRAG BIKE.The other things like rideability and smoothness are just icing on the cake IMO.I wouldn't want something smaller.This bike has a way of letting me know...'you're just on two wheels...okay?Live to ride another day"...don't ask me how...but it does.And that makes me feel good when I'm riding.I know...I'm a bit strange.

Kawasaki isn't going to lose anything with the new 14.That's my opinion.They're not a bunch of dummies.Especially with the world economics going as they are.I think the new bike is gonna do really well.Once guys start buyin em,I really think they're gonna takeoff in sales.These new model lines....from Kawasaki....all preplanned and calculated for the big picture.They're not just 'throwing stuff out there' just for fun.They know what they're doing.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 9/27/2011 @ 1:26 PM *

So blue07, if KHI knows what they are doing (I think they do, also) then will they put enhancements in which force the list price to the 15-16k range and keep the slim profit margin? Or will they cut corners on the new bore and stroke, and use 2011-spec connecting rods and wrist pins, and just bore the 2011 block, slap liners in, use a bigger pistons, and code the microcode in the ECU to stunt horsepower to keep the engines from blowing up because they didn't spend the money (i.e., drive the price up) for stage 2 components?

Because if they do the former, we might see a real "R" bike, but if they don't upgrade the engine components, as well as upgrade the suspension and reduce weight to match, it will just be a heavy wanna-be sportbike with 199 horsepower.

* Last updated by: privateer on 9/27/2011 @ 1:52 PM *

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Page 4 and all I mention is to have something fast not all heavy with plastic. Donny calls me one of them warm water with vinny gears, shaken, not stirred.

I come back make a point and then find something sharp to stick up Donny's rear. Oh, guess what? My B-inn-law is the same Stone Her as we have going on say? Can you say you represent my b-i-l, Privvy reps the gov. Do not take it personally like I look at your name and I want all ass ripping up his and whoever that sad ass let this cuntre go to waste our time we still zip and come home safe and are more skilled to boot.... Take that to 'camp piss on you.' My b-inn-law! Get it now, dipshit?

Yeah, Donny, I miss our boy from the north. I more mind my own business. Someone comes along makes comment look out. See me make comment right out the gate? I mean, yours was more a personal comment, wasn't it? I start in and get on someone's case? Hardly. I rather stay away from that. But once the shit is thrown at me... WE head for a LAPISSLAPPINGang up on you like shit on a fly.

And you were worn out because? I'm an endurance racer buy trade [up]. Wear year ass down you stay withis brand.

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Razor what he said, Privvy. All occy said was philosophy not absolute fact. I'll run his theory up his ass too, ass if we have to, we just have to stop our boys from speeding over 186 and the bike can run 300 no sweathe bulletproof or the train... Take your pick. It's already designed in you don't feel that speed.

Hey, Priv, if blue says I'm right about something... Do not separate the 60 from the 40 or you'll read the Razor'shithat makes no sense. After you change it [forcing some percentage on it, it needs watt?] it will make jackshitsence now.

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Relax. There is enough room for you baggers, you day trackers, you blinkgalingers, you drag, turbo, blow me! I'm gonna miss this thread once that bike comes out. Then it's back to the Jeffo thread. Shit!

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Right is right....not cut up and split.Hub knows what he's talkin about.Mostly( )....c'mon....he understands it.Even if some of us don't.It isn't just gibberish.Anyway....this forum is very unique that way.S'all good.I could give a shit about hearing from the 'experts' all the time.You know...guys who think they got every facet of every deal about the 14 and bikes in general down.If I say...I lube my chain THIS way...someone else says...'nah,this is the way'....ya...okay...cool.It IS their chain.Like people sayin..."you cannot run a 'used' chain on NEW sprockets"...okay....I've been doin it 'forever' with my chain drive bikes.I've not experienced any negative results doing it.But someone will come along and say...Nope...can't do that.Okay...then don't.Don't know why I got on this track...but...wthell..

Anyway...about the new engine.I'm surmising..that's all.No expert knowledge here.I see things pretty different I imagine than a lot of guys here.I see Kawasaki first and foremost as one of the leading high tech aircraft builders in the world.Maybe some don't know that about Kawasaki.Motorcycles are just a byline with them IMO.

I'm reminded of this one deal I read..a product description about the Hayabusa from Suzuki.It said...among other things...concerning their last release..."new designed bodywork to give a more MUSCLED appearance"...that caught my attention.I think that statement said a lot about their concept of big motorcycles.Not that it 'performed' better....but that it 'appeared' tougher.I see a marketing deal here.And that tells me they're more interested in 'looking good' so to speak than being good.I mean...the two motors are close in size...but the 14 is way smoother.I guess that's what some guys like...that vibe goin on....like with the Harleys.Makes the bike feel...well....rough and tough you know...kinda raw edge thing.I'd rather have a smooth running bike,with huge top end and great bottom.The new 14 is gonna be just that.Redesigned and restyled...but not TOO much to take away from the things that really work for a top performer.The 14's got 'classic' written all over it.

I will always think the 14 is styled way better than the Busa.And I believe the difference is the aircraft heritage of the company.If you look at the 14,at the separate pieces on it,you can see the styling ques are not just for looks.If you think 'airfoils' and 'leading edges' and 'wind flow'...the 14 is a much better designed bike.From the smooth engine to the way she acts at speed.Truly a one of a kind bike.The NEW one is gonna even be MORE advanced in subtle ways I think.The 1440 is gonna be a sweet running engine...and I can easily see the bike doing over 200 mph out of the crate with perhaps the limiter disabled(if there even IS one on there).It's only a 'gentleman's agreement' anyway.Nobody legislated a speed limit on the Japanese sportbike industry.

I've been 'testing' my bike over 4 years now with different mods....and paying attention to how the bike reacts with different things replaced.Even the mirrors...you know...you wouldn't think they were really important at all...except for being 'clear'.I gotta say...I replaced my mirrors with those Pigspotters...nice shape...had a nice styling look goin on.BUT....as 'small' and insignificant as a mirror might seem..you could actually feel the difference at speed with those on there.The handling definitely became more clunky.It was harder to initiate a turn in,or transition at speed.I reinstalled the stock mirrors....my bike returned to it's former self.It handled very good again,especially the faster I went.Now,you look at those mirror cases.The shape.Those are airfoils on there.Not just 'a mirror'.They have a definite purpose for their shape.The lift is DOWNWARD.The airfoil is inverted to keep the load on the frontend when accelerating or moving at higher speeds.The stalk is NOT separate from the mirror housing.This keeps the aerodynamics from changing.And the shape is designed with the front cowl shape.They're working together wind wise to create a stable platform for higher speed manuvering.That's one reason IMO a lowered 14 will not do as well in the curves and such at speed.The geometry is very critical to getting the most from everything there.It may do great straight line...ya...but it won't handle the same once you get busy in the crazies.I LOVE my bike.It's very cool IMO.If it had wings...I know she would fly!

* Last updated by: blue07 on 9/27/2011 @ 3:16 PM *

I hope they fix some of the stupid things: Nut wells in the Air Box,,, C'Mon ,,, Sould be slapped Hard for that one. Better cooling might be nice. Big piston Front Forks that would be adjustable enough for us over 200lb guys. Who weighs 150 anyway lol ?

What's on your wish list of fixes from Gen 1 ?

I would expect to see a lot of the things you mentioned in there this time out.All I really want is.....a CONNIE FOAM seat!!! It doesn't need to be thick as a brick....mine isn't.Yet she still soaks up all the stuff out there.Gonna be very cool this new bike.Maybe...even operator adjustable rear suspension.Like the C-14.Stiffer springs up front?Yeah,methinks so this time.For a bike that's destined to do OVER 200 out the crate,they're gonna need some stiffer deals available on it I would think?She's definitely gonna be kickin azz at the strip .

* Last updated by: blue07 on 9/27/2011 @ 3:23 PM *

The ZX-11 never could do 200mph easily. I had a 92 model for 9 yrs. To get the speed takes exponentially more HP to reach that velocity. The 14 is a far superior machine in every manner, I don't think the new 14 will be a modest improvement; to keep and gain market share KHI has to be bold; remember they were almost the only ones coming out with NEW models in 09, 10, and perhaps 11, except for the 09 R1.

Hub, you can't be understood, you can speak normally, but to decode your jibberish takes more than the material is worth, as the material can be gathered from other sources that speak clearly.

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Donny wrote:

The ZX-11 never could do 200mph easily. I had a 92 model for 9 yrs.

I got my '91 from the Nebraska plant, number 21 out the door. Hand polished seats and heads, flow benched, all at the factory, a pre-production run. Paid in advance plus a 1k premium.

Ran a true 200+ mph on her on CA Highway 280 beside an F40 Ferrari, who flashed me a big grin and the 2-tons sign when we broke 200 mph at the same time.

I've been to 200 in at least a dozen different vehicles. That ZX-11 was rock steady screaming alongside that car, and as I max braked to get slow enough to merge with Sunday morning church traffic wanting off at exit 8 into San Jose, she stayed stable even though I was hauling her down hard.

Don't say it can't be done, just say you never did it.

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Hub, you can't be understood, you can speak normally, but to decode your jibberish takes more than the material is worth, as the material can be gathered from other sources that speak clearly.

Say I read at the AF1 Racing website, you switch from one map to the next, 'someone in the know' says the 02 does something and I found out it does nothing different. I doubt they used an AFR meter to answer that myth. They keep it up as a sticky, too. You knowatthat means? That racing whoever is racing around some track being a dealer has no clue what we know. That tells me, AF1 is no different than any other race house that can be beat. There is their expert or one of the experts. I'm no expert, I just search them out. Funny how they have no clue to correct that 02 myth, but to throw me off and keep that myth flying high. Tre'datshit right up their ass is it coming.

Snow matter where I go, I find a bunch of fallacy and I'm going to clowntown that shit till I'm no longer on the net. I'll be long gone but that myth is forever who cares. I can't squash it so I'm going to have fun wit it till you just give the fuck up cause and effect, I bought a closed looper just to pick my questions all cleaned and am ready for cheatuning. I have both loops sorta covered somewatt in the hobby quest. Besides, that other website [AF1] has yet to see me show up for my password. I'm going to savor disite like a fine wine oh am I going to spank that 02 all up and down.

Okay, where is this pile and how slow is it until the next top model shows up?

* Last updated by: Hub on 9/27/2011 @ 6:13 PM *

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Big piston Front Forks that would be adjustable enough for us over 200lb guys. Who weighs 150 anyway lol ?

I'd agree with that one... if I wasn't hoping that my Ohlins will swap... The fact that they are calling it an "R" makes me think you will get your wish though.

What's on your wish list of fixes from Gen 1 ?

rod bearings/ oiling issues ... yep, I went there... shit, been there and got the T-shirt... got back in line... still here.

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