I've been running this bike since new as a track only bike. It was shipped in the crate to RCC in 2016 for Scott Davis and Richard Peppler for a stage 1 plus build. It was then picked up by the selling dealer and shipped to me here on Maui Hawaii with 3 levels of tune making 249-276+299hp on pump gas. It's been at 70" wb and has gone through a few changes over the years and 140 or so passes I've logged. My goals for the build were 7.99/170+ and in 2022 after being shut down for 26 months due to covid I made the back half of my goal. Special thanks go out to Richard, Scott and Rick Romans for assistance at the end of the year turning me onto Boostane Professional for truly unbelievable results with just the fuel change. Here's my 7 best so far and looking forward to our 2023 season opener February 18th.

* Last updated by: Fordtech58 on 2/5/2023 @ 8:18 PM *

140 passes, not ring freshened up, no rod/crank inserts changed? Either way, pretty impressive, tech.

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Thanks Hub, I just did a plug change and compression test left to right was 130-127-126-127 it does have a thicker head gasket to reduce the compression. Head studs, valve springs, oil mods and I run the oil at the top of the site glass plus 12oz. No bearings or even valve lash needed yet. I data log including oil and fuel pressure and don't exceed 10 psi with the stock pistons and rods. I've got a high boost motor I had built by Steve Knecum that'll be safe to 26 psi, 440hp on C16. I'm also using RCC's liquid to air intercooler. Aloha...

Thanks for the info Rick.. Love reading this stuff..

Rick Romans for assistance at the end of the year turning me onto Boostane Professional for truly unbelievable results with just the fuel change. Here's my 7 best so far and looking forward to our 2023 season opener February 18th.

Thank You for the kind words. I haven't been here on the forum for quite some time. Glad I popped in to take a quick peek. It is threads like these full of excitement I am drawn to.

Miss you guys.

Rick

Beautiful bike there, I love it

Can you update this thread when you achieve your goals?

At what point does the big motor go in?

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Aloha from Maui!
The 2023 season saw a few changes and got me closer to my original goals but as Ms Lewinski said "close but no cigar!" Mid season I added a longer arm built by DME for 69-74" to allow me to go beyond the 70" I was running. I ended up finishing second in the ProBike points and made 10-12 passes in the 8.0 range with a best of 8.035 When the season ended in late November I did a compression and leakdown test with a visual borescope inspection and found the motor to still be virtually flawless. With that confirmed I decided to put the bike on a set of scales which verified my thoughts. Miss piggy weighed in at a chubby 514.7 lbs. A diet for the bike and a tread mill for myself was in order. It was a long and time consuming and somewhat expensive effort but I thought it would be my best route to the elusive 7 second time slip...

Our season opener was last Saturday March 23rd. We were scheduled to have a 2 hour t/t session which ended up being a bit of a cluster f$%k with delays, oil downs and timing issues on a 4 month green track surface. I'd backed the boost down by a pound in the first 4 of 5 stages for the t/t which I only got to make 1 pass spinning in all 5 gears.

My off season weight loss efforts brought the bike down from 514.7 to 493.6 with 18 of which came off the front. My personal effort brought me from 171.2 at the 11/23 race morning to 163.8 at Saturdays weigh in!

Our track specialist went back out to drag and spray after the t/t so I decided to make a little change and bumped the first 4 boost stages back up .5 lbs for the event and see what happens. In the off season I'd put in a new clutch pack, new slightly larger air filter, bumped the rear sprocket from 44 to 45 which set the wheelbase at 71.5" I put on a set of Brocks window links and slid the fork tubes a bit higher. The result ended with 2.25" ground clearance and with the NHRA spec of 2" I was legal but not comfortable with the oil pan sump being the lowest point. I decided a Schnitz modified stock pan was in order and they were able to get it to me a week before the event. I only gained 1/2" but it could be a critical 1/2". Q1 gave me the 7 year elusive 7 second time slip and a first of my 50 years of 1/4 mile passes. It also gave me a best 60ft of 1.272 followed by 2 1.267 passes and a E2 1.261 which also unfortunately gave me and long wheelie beyond the 100ft mark that just kept climbing and I had to chop it hard to 25% to drop the wheel which landed so hard it bounced me off the seat. That extra 1/2 was worth its weight in gold as nothing hit and all the slippery stuff stayed in the motor! Second best of the day was a 8.027 though all my runs the back half was slower and the mph down 5+? I'm leaving the gearing where it is for April and get a better idea if it were just the track conditions, gearing, air and boost though I never changed the 5th stage which is in at 2.6 seconds. My only fear is I've lost some aerodynamic advantage by removing the front fender and lower fairings. I can put the lowers back easy enough though I'd have to reverse the forks to get the fender back on but I'd really like to keep the brake weight forward if possible. Time and time slips will tell...

* Last updated by: Fordtech58 on 3/31/2024 @ 4:22 PM *

Congrats, Fordtech! Hit the sevens, that's amazing!

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Awesome Rick, congratulations on your first 7

It's great to see your development and hard work pay off.

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Congrats again Rick super cool . This year will be less racing , more family for me as they are all getting older and bigger :) I am going to as many all bike events as possible with the first coming up this Sat at Bakersfield ..
Really enjoy seeing those slips :) The pictures were cool too...

Fordtech, why not stage 2 and why not a supercharger instead of turbo?

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I have a fully built motor and all the components to go stage 2 but have been working this combination to it's full capability. I made over a dozen runs in the 7's with a best of 7.932@173.44 on pump 92 with Boostane Pro additive bumping the octane to 101. I went with the turbo because RCC's systems are proven flawless with beyond excellent customer service. I don't know of anyone building a super charger system for the 14 but I wouldn't be willing to gamble on the learning curve carnage that wrong boost or afr can cause in seconds!

* Last updated by: Fordtech58 on 1/2/2025 @ 10:47 AM *

Road Toad mentioned to me the TTS supercharger that's being developed for the ZX-14. Yeah, it burned up a non-intercooled B-King engine but I've only heard good things about it's use in the Gen3 Hayabusa. I like the idea of linear power delivery from a supercharger. I just did some quick searching but it seems like most prefer turbo for maximum peak hp. I think I remember hearing that many years back as well.

I was considering an RCC turbo for my new Gen2. Is the stage 1 kit upgradable to a stage 2? Same thing without the intercooler and a few other parts?

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Hey rook, generally the stage 2 setup is built for a bigger turbo, so the manifolds do not interchange. Stage 2 usually does not have an intercooler, it's an upgrade beyond stage 2 (stage 3?). More low end from a supercharger usually means wheelie issues or traction problems, great for the dyno and all out drag bikes. They can be made to work of course but it depends on what you really want it to do.

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Hey OZ, What's up my man!! Our talk about lag is what prompted my first question to RCC Turbo.

Rook: Is the turbo itself the same size between the Stage 1, Stage 2 and Stage 2 Ultra? ...or is it exactly the same turbo included with each of the three kits?

RCC: Yes it is the same turbo, we do offer the option of customization though. If you had a specific turbo in mind we could price that out as well.

I sent back part 2 of the question (about upgrading kits) so we'll know soon.

Thank you OZrevhead for all the information you have provided me on turbo. Keep an eye out for a thread I'll start here in the near future. Thanks for letting me jack your thread for a bit Fordtech.

...and as for low end wheelies with a SC, yeah, I kind of see that from the H2. I imagine it's no different with turbo if you're keeping the Rs up in a launch.

Next bit of info, or question, I'll start my own turbo thread. All I can say right now is I'm very sure I'm going ahead with this. Possibly a Brocks pipe first but I have the $$$ for the turbo setup so I might just do it by summer. Thanks Fordtech.

* Last updated by: Rook on 1/5/2025 @ 12:27 AM *

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I'm always willing to share what I've learned... I like to say no "secret squirrel here"! I'm not sure what "manifold" Oz is speaking of? Our intake manifold is the frame so that's not an option. As Richard mentioned to you the Turbo and header are the same in all the kits. When I had them do my stage 1 plus it's the stage 1 kit with the engine removed for a thicker head gasket to reduce the compression with stock internals. With the head removed they added head studs, valve springs and some oiling system mods. It made 247hp on the 4lb spring, 276hp on the 6lb spring and 298hp on the 7.5lb spring all on pump 93. Stage 1 limits you to the 4lb. spring direct bolt on with zero internal changes. The stage 2 requires all the above plus turbo pistons and good rods. I've tickled 10 psi with a boost controller with my stage 1 plus in 1/4 mile racing with the intercooler kit installed. Stage 2 on a built motor will allow up to 18 psi on pump and 26 psi on race fuel with the secondary fuel system and controller. I'm using RCC's flash and a PCV with PTI and it's been flawless. I'm in the process of relocating to Bossier City Louisiana and am looking forward to getting to the Texas Motorplex in Ennis which is a national event track with 1320 ft all concrete surface and also trying my combination at No Problem Raceway in Bella Rouse Louisiana this year. I'll likely stick with this combination for 2025 then install my Steve Knecum built motor and the stage 2 fuel system for 2026. Feel free to ask if I can help with more information though I have no idea as far as your 2024 ECU and what can be done with it... Go fast, be safe!!!

I'm not sure what "manifold" Oz is speaking of?

I believe he was speaking of the exhaust manifold. A bigger turbo might have larger diameter head pipes.

I'm using RCC's flash and a PCV with PTI

What is PTI?

I have no idea as far as your 2024 ECU and what can be done with it

I don't think the ECU changed from recent year 14Rs. Matter of fact, I'm not aware of any ECU changes in any year of 14R. ....but there could be. I'm not in a huge hurry. I planned to install the turbo setup myself and I wouldn't be surprised if that would take me a full year. ...or am I dreaming? Do you think I can do the whole turbo setup myself?

If I go straight to the stage 2 Ultra, can I run it with your stage 1 engine mods (head gasket, studs, valve springs, oiling mods) as long as I keep the boost low enough? ...with a view to doing the complete engine build eventually, of course so I can go full boost.

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Dont Look, Dont Look, Dont Look.

I looked.

Now what do I do ?

You stick around long as you can bro! I gotta start getting ready for work now but I'll be back tomorrow early in the morn.

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Hey Rook, PTI stands for pressure transducer input/interface not sure on the last one. It's a pressure sensor mechanically plumbed to the boost plenum and it electronically sends the information to the PCV for instant AFR adjustment following the boost being produced. I'll add some pictures of the secondary fuel system and intercooler kit here or on your new thread, your choice? If you can get me your email I can send you pdf docs for the installation of both kits. I purchased the stage 2 fuel system ($2000) and intercooler ($2500) after my initial build. I'd suggest the stage 1 kit can be installed by anyone with a fair amount of mechanical aptitude in a weekend. The stage 2 system gets a bit more involved as the engine has to be lowered to allow room to drill the frame to mount some of the fuel system components including lines, fuel rail and injectors etc. Rick Roman helped me along the way and was directly responsible for my use of Boostane Pro and getting into the 7 second zone! When I decided to start this build in mid 2016 Power Commander didn't even offer a system for the 2016 which is why I searched out a 2015 leftover for the build. There are multiple different ecu's over the years including with or without California emissions.

Hey Rook, PTI stands for pressure transducer input/interface not sure on the last one. It's a pressure sensor mechanically plumbed to the boost plenum and it electronically sends the information to the PCV for instant AFR adjustment following the boost being produced.

Thanks, I will keep that in mind if you're happy with it. Autotune worked for building fuel maps for my NA Gen1 ZX-14 but it was way too slow to soley rely on for real time adjustments. I remember seeing selections for MAP sensor in the PC5 software. I'm sure they've updated the software since I last looked at it.

I'll add some pictures of the secondary fuel system and intercooler kit here or on your new thread, your choice?

Why not post them right here? If you don't mind, I'll just rob them and post them in my thread if I need to.

If you can get me your email I can send you pdf docs for the installation of both kits.

I'll PM you my email this weekend. Thanks!

I'd suggest the stage 1 kit can be installed by anyone with a fair amount of mechanical aptitude in a weekend. The stage 2 system gets a bit more involved as the engine has to be lowered to allow room to drill the frame to mount some of the fuel system components including lines, fuel rail and injectors etc.

LOL Anything more involved than routine maintenance takes multiple weekends for me! I'm prepared to have the new bike out of commission for a year or more.

When I decided to start this build in mid 2016 Power Commander didn't even offer a system for the 2016 which is why I searched out a 2015 leftover for the build. There are multiple different ecu's over the years including with or without California emissions.

Wow, I'm going to have to ask DJ some questions about equipment prognostications for my 2024. It might actually work out just fine since I expect the turbo install to take such a long time. Another rout would be to put the turbo on my wrecked 08. I have no compunctions whatsoever about tearing that thing apart. It actually needs it! ....hey now I'm liking this...rebuild the Gen1 with a Gen2 engine and install turbo.....since the donor engine's not in the bike yet, why not do the whole engine build first???? Yeah, this is sounding alright. ...seriously, that could be a good way to do this.

Thanks for bringing these important points up Fordtech.

* Last updated by: Rook on 1/10/2025 @ 7:13 AM *

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Hey Fordtech, I tried PMing you my email but Fordtech58 wasn't a selection. Fordtech was but not Fordtech58.

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There is another Fordtech on the forum. I'll attach the RCC Stage 2 and Stage 2 plus picture here also. Not sure where you're located but I'm relocating to Bossier City Louisiana in early March. Looking forward to having a lot more tracks to choose from and try...
I stumbled across my dyno sheets too, all on pump 93 before the intercooler installation. Went on the dyno with 1 mile after a couple of heat cycles and came off at 10 miles!! Got the dyno sheet order off, the first one was with a 6lb. spring, next 4lb. and last 7.5lb. in the wastegate before the boost controller installation.

* Last updated by: Fordtech58 on 1/13/2025 @ 10:30 AM *

My mind was already made up to purchase a H2 before this coming Summer, and after reading up on turbos for the 14R I'm seriously thinking about going this route opposed to a H2. Decisions decisions decisions!

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