"most active participants don't even live in America now how would they know what it takes to be a good American "

Sooooo, if you changed the country to Canada in the above question do you think my view would some how change ? I have gotten this E-Mail many times, with many different countries in the above heading. I think you missed the point, but ok

Nope not at all it apparent that you stand by you opinion as you have stated and restated its just that the title of the thread is CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?. I never said you should change your mind becuse you are not from America

I'd like to have seen what would've happened if someone disrespected the American flag that way in front of our founding fathers. It's within their rights, but only because our namby pamby leaders decided to change the law. A disgrace in my opinion, and dealt with severely in just about any other country.

However my hurt feelings don't outweigh there right to destroy the US flag.... yep thats right they have a Constituinal right to destroy the US flag.

Doesn't make it Ok. Go over there and try it.

A disgrace in my opinion, and dealt with severely in just about any other country.

2ND

"However my hurt feelings don't outweigh there right to destroy the US flag.... yep thats right they have a Constituinal right to destroy the US flag. "

Doesn't make it Ok. Go over there and try it.

You know why the US has been so successful sense our inception? because our Constitution is based on principles and not on emotions . Unlike those Countries that would kill you for disrespecting there flag or stone a woman to death because she didn't cover her hair. The United States extends Constitutional rights to every American citizen not just the people we agree with or like. It’s not perfect but it’s the best thing going by a long shot.

* Last updated by: willidx4 on 11/5/2010 @ 8:35 AM *

"our Constitution is based on principles and not on emotions"
Well, my personal principles prevent me from disrespecting the flag. If someone wants to speak against this country, that's protected by free speech. Disrespecting the symbol of the country that allows you free speech is just ignorant. I'm not against flag burning or desecrating because I disagree with their statement or that I dislike them. It's because I respect the flag of my country, and don't think it should be shit on. I agree with the principles this country was founded on, not what they've been changed to for convenience or personal benefit. I don't know what stoning someone to death because of her hair has to do with desicration of the flag. Apples and oranges. We have the death penalty for certain crimes in some places too. Nobody is advocating stoning for flag burning. Burn an imitation of Obama in effigy and see what happens to you.

* Last updated by: alg8er on 11/7/2010 @ 12:12 AM *

As months roll by and I sit here overseas reading this ridiculous thread, it boggles my mind.
You know what the real problem is? Respect. You all seem to have this preconceived notion that you have the right to have an uneducated opinion.
I thought on all the posts in this thread for a while and have reached the conclusion that if you haven't served in the military and haven't experienced these people you so rashly speak of, then shut the f*ck up. Bluntly put, most of you have no idea of what you are talking about. It's conversations and gossip like this that add to the image that Americans are overweight, elitist, bigots incapable of compassion and respect. A People that receive the bulk of their information from CNN and chain emails. Do the United States a favor. Enlist, fight and struggle for that word freedom you so casually toss around, and earn the right to have an opinion. Most of you have no comprehension of what freedom actually is.

JESSE1212; Actually, I was drafted.

I enlisted...way back when. What actually adds to the image that Americans are"overweight, elitist, bigots incapable of compassion and respect" are Americans who are "overweight, elitist, bigots incapable of compassion and respect"The greased wheel ALWAYS gets oiled!What adds to the image that Muslims love to kill?Muslims who love to kill.Each person is responsible for themselves.Because Joe Blow is a bigot....that doesn't mean I am,or have to be a bigot...no matter how fashionable it may seem.When other peoples are seeing the Americans a certain way....that doesn't mean they ARE that way.Maybe some.But not all.Kinda like what's that term....you guys know...where ya stare at something in the road(oh yeah,TARGET FIXATION...that's it)...then end up hitting it.Like that.Stare at and aggrandise the negative...that's what yer gonna see.Look on the good and you're gonna see that....ANY racist can say..."okay,I've changed my mind.Not gonna feel that way any more".And do it.Any Muslim can say..."Allah does not intend for us to kill one another...so I'll be no part in that.Period".And do it.Doesn't matter what race,creed,religion,skin color.NADA.Each one has the power within themselves to decide"do I want to be part of this?"Yeah,it MAY mean a death sentence...I realize that.Or punishment from others who are not willing to change.Okay...I get it.But the bottom line is"how bad do you WANT it?"or is it just words that sound good.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 11/7/2010 @ 5:15 PM *

if you haven't served in the military and haven't experienced these people you so rashly speak of, then shut the f*ck up. Bluntly put, most of you have no idea of what you are talking about.

1. Jesse1212, I 4 one have not served in the military but if called upon I will stand up and walk forward proud to serve.

2. The people you speak of wash their feet in our sinks every day and tell ME to leave on a daily bases, so they can pray. So I know.
The street next to me is now called NEW DELLHI. My kids are in a school that is 87% non caucasion. Please don't think I'm being rude. Just the facts.

3. I'm sure the people you see over there would kill to have the same freedoms we have here.

4. Sense you know them so well, please ask them why they come to the land of the free and spend every waking second trying to turn into the place you are now in. The place they loved so much. ok. Good one.
If they were so peace full you would not be there. Tell me I'm wrong.

5. When you come home I would be glad to show you what I see. If you feel the love I will buy all the beer you can carry.

6. I'm sorry you are comparing there to here. Once they get here things change. Not my fault.

7. please note, I have no hate or dislike for anyone, but I do not think they could repeat that comment.

8. I wish they understood the freedoms YOU fight for but I can assure you of all people You will not get any love from these people when you get home. I on the other hand am proud of what you are doing and what you stand for.

9. Now I will shut the Fuck Up. The one that loves you. Burn me if you will. There, is not here.

10. Respect, wait till you see what they have done with all the respect you guys have worked so hard for.

11. I don't need to be in the Military to look out my window. I know my freedom came at a cost. I would love it if you took a minute of your time and tried to explain to these people how and why you fight for their freedom which they are enjoying every day while you are away in their country fighting for it.

12. Just words guys. In the grand scheme of things means nothing. Sad part.

* Last updated by: Romans on 11/7/2010 @ 5:24 PM *

Well put Rome....that's a good one alright."Why come here and try to change it to "there?".May as well go "there" and accept it and enjoy what ya have already...yes?Truth is...if those "other" nations and such want a freedom like ours....they're gonna have to step up and get busy makin it happen.There's no other way around their personal accountability.Our freedoms came with a price.As they ALWAYS will because of those who would love to see enslavement and fascism.No country came here and fought our personal battles to have what we have now.And it won't be any different anywhere else.It's really up to them...whoever they may be.America ALWAYS gets a bad rap.

There's nothing that I know of here that excludes other races from having their own type of American experience.You've got "Little Tokyo","Alvera street",and multitudes of other ethnic neighborhoods all over the US...and they're doing fine.No one is trying to shut em down.Certainly no one's getting shot to death because they "believe in Allah" or Jesus,or whatever.So it works IF each individual remembers..."freedom and respect"...and genuine love of this country,that's how it works.NOT by critcizing the "White Population",or the "Black" population,or the Jews,or Arabs,or whatever it is that people use to cause contention where there is peace.My .02...

* Last updated by: blue07 on 11/7/2010 @ 5:34 PM *

You all seem to have this preconceived notion that you have the right to have an uneducated opinion.

Blue, my thought is that jesse1212 thinks we or should I say I, am just posting to see my own words. I too am learning and his view is the opposite of what I expected from a military man. Jesse, Not gossip for me, just everyday life in a multicultural country. My tour will never be over. The world is becoming more aware. All good. I enjoyed your point of view. Made me think.

Like allot of you, I(we)am the minority now. Should I be silent ?

One reason "they" don't get away with stuff here...and I mean this in a good way...is because the American people won't put up with a bunch of b.s.We have a police force that understands people's rights.We have a Government that is tolerant,yet singleminded about just how far people are going to be allowed to behave.Not perfect........but the best thing going.And most Americans(regardless of ethnicity or color or anything else)feel this country IS the best thing going.And it is.There are certain things that just won't be tolerated here...and that's good.People can speak their minds and protest in the streets all they want.But out and out oppression will not be allowed to exist here.Whether it's physical or verbal.And everyone knows it.Jews can practice Judaism.Jehovah's Witnesses can practice that.Buddists can practice that.Atheists can do that.Blacks can associate with Whites.Indians with Cowboys.NOBODY gets put in jail for their beliefs(the line being....acting out in violence towards others).And that's just one of the great things about this country.MOST immigrants understand this,and assimilate.And most citizens understand this,and get along with each other.

I truly believe that the Muslim immigrants or whatever that are living here..are completely peaceful,and were appalled and saddened the morning of 9/11.I imagine most probably felt..."we left that thing behind...now it's coming over here"That's how I would feel if the tables were turned anyway.....there is a lot to be hopeful about here.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 11/8/2010 @ 1:20 AM *

There is some sort of lawsuit that will be thrown out by the likes of C.I.A.R. being the king overthrower of your cuntree tizz of thee but you have yet to see it. There is some law that the muzzy will butt heads up against is some law that protects the exact move the muzzy wants to make by using your own laws against you.

If you watched speed vision and the treason being inflicted on you is that money grabbing greed. Some shithead with money wants to dominate the racing world and I mean take it over. So right now, they won some championshit and that guy can go eat light sweet crude till he rots. Larry Dickhead is it? Blood money no matter how you look at it. No muzzy gets rich selling goat shit to the world.

* Last updated by: Hub on 11/8/2010 @ 6:40 PM *

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=225809

INSANE! How stupid the US is and how smart the myzzy is. LOL Are you in deepoop!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6C_Vy6YvO8&feature=player_embedded#!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110101/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_church_attack;_ylt=An2.FmArrSr7vIg0yq2ekyj9xg8F;_ylu=X3oDMTNzYzY5dGRnBGFzc2V0Ay9zL2FwLzIwMTEwMTAxL2FwX29uX3JlX21pX2VhL21sX2VneXB0X2NodXJjaF9hdHRhY2sEY2NvZGUDbXBfZWNfOF8xMARjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzEEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNib21iaGl0c2VneXA-

Romes, they NEED their peins to complete their mission. They need to be cut off or you will let the cult win is a win win situation. Shit don't happen in said circles and shit. Cell Ear Wee going to have fun! Well, hopefully in my lifetime, but they are burning those terrorist meeting halls in the good ol USA. I think someone asHA clue!

New day, new year, same ol'shit! <<< Fuck'Cum if they don't like cornmash.

I don't know where all this is going but I'm sure it's not good.

More of the same story

NOT Good at all romans how do they call that religon im sure if theres any GOD it would not support this at all.

no way. Hate and God do not exist together. The two are as opposite as can be.

You think so ....over here.But over there....their way of looking at things are completely,well,how can I say it....archaic?The thing is....when they do finally manage to murder all the infidels worldwide,then what?They can't seem to be able to decipher believers in Allah from unbelievers.Otherwise,they wouldn't be attacking their own people.I guess if yer a Sunni believer in Allah...somehow...your Shite neighbor who also believes in Allah can't be allowed to live...cause there's some kind of "difference"????WTH????See..the Shite guy says the Sunni guy's a heretic.The Sunni guy feels the same way towards the other one.Yet they both believe in Allah.Sound confusing...hmmm..."where there is confusion there is every evil work"...somewhere in the Bible.I guess blood lust is blood lust."they are not at peace unless they have caused some to fall.They have no peace until they have shed innocent blood"....somewhere else in the Bible.You'd think,at least in Iraq,after years of abuse by a madman,the last thing they'd desire is outright murder of others(except maybe to get even with certain known torturers.But killing just to kill?We need to be out of there...and Afghanistan as well...They really don't want us there anyway.I hate to say it,but we really aren't powerful enough(using our Democratic restraint)to overcome the bloodthirstyness of the Bin Ladens of this world.They will always be here...until the change.I'm not saying give up the fight...GOD no!We must continue to resist this thing.But staying or going into these types of quagmires are a snare for the US.

It's so complicated..this thing.But the real solution has to come from the Countries themselves.WE cannot do this for them.And I think in all truth...they don't want us to.They want to be sovereign.And handle there own stuff.So IDK....

* Last updated by: blue07 on 1/4/2011 @ 1:13 AM *

This is what I mean...right here.This man...Tazeer,was a moderate and willing advocate of Muslim moderation and democratic rights of others...here's what he said...some time before he was killed yesterday by another MUSLIM..""This is a war," Taseer said in a recent sessions with reporters broadcast Tuesday by Pakistan's Geo TV. "Whether we receive threats or not, it does not make any difference to us. I am a Muslim. ... God willing, life or death for a Muslim, we are not afraid of that. Whatever threats they give to us.".AMERICAN forces or American people DID NOT carry this out(my input).

He was worshipping and believing in the SAME GOD(Allah)as his killer."where there is confusion,there is every evil work".

"GOD is NOT the author of CONFUSION"...new testament...somewhere.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 1/4/2011 @ 4:08 PM *

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=251101

Listen to the audio of Pipes. Now, the beauty of this propaganda is how is it a middle east conflict if well... You figure it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSvyv0urTE&feature=player_embedded

Basically disays we are herding you infidels and peppering ourselves around Geeeeeeeeeeeeeee HAaaaaaaaaaaaD Me ate Hell Below ME! Easy now. Relax. It's all over your home security is it. Paz Zit Tour Round. Moderate? Your Knee Knew neighbor?

And she is going to get married, raise kids and chews can crap lick is the blood dangling off your neck you don't get it yet... Let me know when you do.

Well I for one Hub am glad you continue to post these revealing subjects.If it aint Jews being hated and wished death upon,it's Christians...and of course the ever present "infidels".I'm glad however that when the shi( hits the fan,ALL the enemies of God are going to wish the rocks would fall on them and hide them from the face of Him with whom we have to do.Gonna be an AWESOME day in Eternity.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 1/17/2011 @ 11:23 AM *

I love their camelpoopaygainday. YOu keep letting them gain days and now look at you roped got roped in is this madness to the max.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=254789 I'm telling this guy that his cult is whack and now I must die to keep that myth going.....LOL I love that day coming like a Ruzzian Rant they are not pounding every muzzy in the ground about now.

And nope, I do not see any rustkey key fobbing the chechens are coming to gethem.