What is the cost of each addi key?

I'm not sure how it works. Most don't know. That's why I am asking.

And yes good write up Romie!

US$100 per key after you have used the initial 3 Keys that come with the package.

My interest here is learning and understanding options.

I have purchased two flashes and was happy with both. So I am done "flashing". Our membership may want to know more about the process. Hence my posts. Now our readers know too.

Some of us have been here for a while longer so don't interpret my cut the bull direct questioning as arrogance. Just wonder how your product fits into the bigger picture.

Wolf

No problems at all mate, i agree, the more informed people are the better!

Wool hard question.
If I buy and use your prd and upload share my flash. If someone wants it and they have exhausted three keys. They are essentially paying you for the flash I developed, yes?

If so, how is this different from what I posted earlier? Ie theft of intellectual property. Is there a tab to not share. And if I do this am I not essentially not helping others by thwarting a 100 dollar sale for u?

An ecu flash. Or dyno tune ecu flash strikes me as the most economical. And if this is true it narrows the reach and sale of your product because only providers will buy the product and not the masses. Hmmmm

I am not sure about your questions? you dont have to use MapShare, it is a feature to allow people to share their tunes if and only if they want to, it is not automatic.

They are not paying us for the tune you developed, talk about misrepresenting the process :) They are paying to flash an ECU full stop. If they choose to use a MapShare to do that or if they choose to develop their own map or what ever the case may be.

If someone has chosen to share their tuned map on MapShare for the community to use, i really dont think intellectual property comes into it?

We sell packages to all sorts of customers from regular riders to tuning shops to race teams and everyone in between. It kind of restricts your ability to evolve the tune of your bike if you have to send your ECU back to someone for minor changes or go back to a dyno shop when you want to try different things or you make mods to your bike.

If you're gonna be tuning your own bike...or adjusting tunes on it over time...the software is the ticket.Sending out ECU's gets downright spendy.I'd get the Wooly software myself IF I knew what I was doing...however...I do have three flashes that kick azz from guys right here...so I'm fine with mine.I think the ECU flashing software is awesome...very.I definitely(with my limited knowledge)don't see the need anymore for the Powercommander stuff.I removed mine way back on the first flash I got.Never looked back.So you're saving that right there...that's a few hundred at least.

Thanks for answering my questions Wool.

We have just released full details of the Log Box Pro (Mitsubishi) on the following page on our web site http://www.woolichracing.com/log-box-pro-mitsubishi.aspx

We have various kits available depending on whether you already have our products or if you are purchasing for the first time, we also have kits with Zeitronix Wideband O2 sensor, controller and installation package.

There is a limited time offer of up to 20% cash back available, details on how to take advantage of this will be provided after you have made your purchase.

We plan to begin shipping in the next couple of weeks, numbers are limited in the first batch so get in quick!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Sweeeeeetttt !!!!!!!!!!

Wow, Wow, Wow ,,,,, 65 times per second ???? Justin I'm reading as much as I can to get smart on this, but I am currently at a loss to figure how the data logged info gets translate into our ECU on the Fly to both the IAP and the TPS Fuel maps ? What do I need ? Is what I have now obsolete ?

The Best Wideband for your Tuning Setup
No matter if you have a stand alone engine management system, a piggy back fuel control or a carbureted engine, the ZT-2 Wideband Air Fuel Ratio Meter is a must for serious tuners! Finally you can tune for more power, closer to the edge, precisely monitoring Air/Fuel ratio Boost, EGT, RPM, throttle position and more. The Zeitronix Data Logger (ZDL) software can be utilized as a real-time display alongside the LCD Display, ZR-2 Multi-Gauge or the DashDAQ display with datalogging for up to 9 hours at a blazing rate of 65 samples per second per input.

On Board Diagnostics (OBDII) is not required but may be monitored through use of the DashDAQ II XL display which reads and clears engine error codes, logs Zt-2 Wideband data and OBDII data and has many additional performance features.
Multiple Widebands with Black Box Data Logger and Optional Display
Dual channel AFR readings are available with multiple display and datalogging options supporting the ZR-2 Multi Gauge, LCD display, Black Box Data Logger and more.

Fail-Safe Operation
Add robust failsafe features using the ZAVT-1 Warning/Trigger Box and optional relay. The Zt-2 Wideband controller will monitor user set levels triggering the ZAVT-1 Warning/Trigger box and optional relay if one or a combination of values exceeds limits. Trigger a failsafe condition on any Zt-2 input including AFR, Boost, RPM, TPS, EGT, Oil/Fuel Pressure, Air/Water temperatures and more. Create a failsafe gauge with the Zt-2 controller watching both displayed values and any other connected sensors or inputs. This simple failsafe safeguard is a great way to protect your engine, hardware and time investmen

Hi Romans, the Log Box Pro works by logging engine data directly from the ECU at 100hz, it also logs AFR from a Zeitronix Wideband O2 sensor which connects with a direct digital connection to the Log Box Pro, the AFR is logged at 50hz. The data logs are imported directly into the WRT software in the AutoTune section, the data is grouped sorted, smoothed and processed and calculations are made to work out what changes need to be made to your fuel maps to achieve your desired Target AFR. You can set up a Target AFR map in the AutoTune screen. Once you have applied the changes to your fuel maps, you basically flash the ECU with the changes and go log some more data. You repeat a few times until the suggested changes are small and your logged AFR has converged to your Target AFR across the map.

Its an extremely effective way to tune your bike as you are logging data from real world road or track conditions, so everything from Ram Air and other bike dynamics as well as environment conditions like temperature, altitude, atmospheric pressure, humidy etc are automatically taken into account when you tune.

You already have the bin file definitions and i think you have the on bike harness so you just need to purchase the Log Box Pro + Zeitronix Wideband O2 Kit from our site http://www.woolichracing.com/log-box-pro-mitsubishi.aspx

Make sure the limited edition ones are numbered Justin...
Or come with a Numbered Certificate of Authenticity.....

not a bad idea, might do the first 10 or 20 ;)

Well, this should take the flash war to a whole new level..... Technology is my life and the tech part of this doesnt bother me one bit. Wiring it up - no problem, Software - easy. Not sure I know what the best target AFR would be for every cell though. I've been to technology school, maybe I need to go to engine school lol.

I had a PCV and auto tune on my first bike a Ninja 650 and I was able to really wake that thing up. I believe I was shooting for 13.2-13.6 depending on where I was in the range across the entire map. Had some other folks run my map on the forums and they loved it. Seems like this bike is at a whole other level.

I think this will hopefully silence the my flash is bigger than your flash war :) There is really no reason to send your ECU to someone else to put a generic flash in developed for someone else's bike, modifications and location (i.e. exhaust, airfilter and other mods, altitude, temperature etc) when you now have the tools to tune your bike properly yourself, specifically to suit your bike, location and tuning preferences?

We provide a target AFR map which you can use within the software, you can also modify the target AFR should you have other requirements or tuning preferences.

jwool is right, Mav is right, and archer is right.

Why mail in a black box when you can buy the tiny box to do it = Even $
Why can't arch and I swap 1's and 0's for a few strokes of 4, you get the basics down = Stroke for Stroke.
Why not mail all your best flashes to Mav, he runs down the track "In the Constant" like he can = Best Burn for the Buck!

Place the Flasher's right on the red car Pit, here is a ragozine at said rented drag strip with numbers to show. Ivan, the Brock, Romes, C's the R10.com flashers over there, they all mailed in their ECU's to some editor. They budget a 'Burn Off,' article, commission Mav to run the bike, because he's less bucks than having RG show up: if one needed to look for consistency. You read the results in 3 months when it hit's the stands or other media, etc.

NOW... End of Story... PERIOD!

We provide a target AFR map which you can use within the software, you can also modify the target AFR should you have other requirements or tuning preferences.

I'm going to simply explain how simple the concept is about saying the word... "Target."

"... you can also modify the target AFR..." < Tuning wise there is no set target. This is a snowflake bike that has its own target. The whole point of AFR is to find "THE STRONGEST-Arm Ripping-AFR-For Snowflake."

I'm not about to load some mappisscrapiss off the net. My bike is like a bubble lever. I took off the stock pipes, installed one with less weight. Look at snowflake with the bubble out of their lines: something has changed PEAK HP (one target), or has change in (PEAK TORque) my arms off.

ONLY Snowflake can find both Targets again, move right back into the bubble line of Peak. Your Target is PEAK AIM for one or the other. So in a way, no, there are no other targets to hit. You show up with a downloaded map [modified] off the net or in someone's CD, Snowflake is going to toggle you one way or the other...

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/26/2014 @ 9:06 AM *

I like the way Hub thinks. He laid out the perfect and ONLY way to directly compare these flashes. Have them all preloaded onto separate ECUs and unclicky, clicky, and WOT.... unclicky, clicky, and WOT... Back to back to back all within one hour of one another. O and don't forget the STOCK ECU for comparison. I'm a nobody from nowhere and I'm sure I wouldn't be the pilot of choice for a big magazine. Although I was already quicker than Kent from Sport Rider when that "Quest to Break Into the 8s" article came out. :)

SO what your saying hub is that the target AFR for my bike may not be the same Target AFR for your bike, assuming we both have the same goal of making the most Power (either torque or hp). So with that said, now were back to square one which is you may as well go get a custom dyno tune, unless you ass-dyno is just that good.

Wonder how good the suggested Target AFR's are from woolrich? They are a "racing" company after all.

I think I'm getting the hang of this forum... Page 11

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Looks like ur doin fine Dark! Lol, stealin pages and shit already!

I'm a nobody from nowhere and I'm sure I wouldn't be the pilot of choice for a big magazine. Although I was already quicker than Kent from Sport Rider

Bingo! If I could pick up on 'The Hand' a long time ago, I think I can pick up on, "The Consistent One." It's a small club, so welcome. You'd be the perfect candidate. Raw input. THE Sport Rider. RG would bring a pro level to it and would squeeze out more 10th's if not 100th's after that. At least your 10th's would be consistent to show a wider if not narrower improvement, be more in line with Joe-A kind of rider to see if it's worth the price?

I'm like you, Mav. I ride, not tune. I leave that to the big boys to solve. So you paying for that type of tuning service is were we draw the line. This is a good learning curve for you... Messing with the flies and now reinstall them just to find out what mod ruined the WOT4?

We are not at that PERIOD point you mentioned, speaking about one likes the way one thinks. That's why it swings you back on the carpet as if Don's flash is mute at this point. See my point? If you run zip for a pig, you porked 2 OEM parts and that says 2 mods altered from stock: equals no joy, but lost FULL Potential messing with the truth tables, crashed into the many coverters inside, no matter, you converted something inside the box, including the vacuum input conversion outside the black box.

That converts Brock not being on the carpet = Found 2-hp lost at the topend with fly/removed.
That backs up this one variable; you reinstall the 2-hp fly gain = Ends Don's move is you get watt you pay for, meaning, can't blame Don: you gain back more OE.