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Thread: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!

Created on: 06/28/15 01:39 PM

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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
07/21/15 3:14 AM

PAY ATTENTION GUYS!!!!!!

"There just isn't any more...
10 hp? No way, not on this bike....
Showing more power by leaning the fueling so it's mixture is correct on the dyno just shows what the power is/would be when the bike is actually moving.
Using that leaner mixture on the road is too lean and will slow the bike down.... Knowing how rich it's supposed to be on the dyno will give the correct result on the road.
Leaning the mixture will show almost 10 hp on the dyno (on this bike).... This bike has a pretty heavy ram air compensation in the upper gears due to it's having to deal with a 200 mph wind blast, so naturally there is a nice gain (as much as 8-10 hp) ON THE DYNO by leaning it out."

why can't i resist???!!!



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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
07/21/15 5:57 AM

There's nothing wrong with Vic's tests for this bike. ...

As a matter of fact, they are the best type of test for full throttle performance. .... much better than any other type of test because Vic's test removes all rider skills and errors.

A simple pure physics test that cannot be argued with period

This is actually a similar type of test to the ones that I do with my test partner with the black 14 thats on my website except we go from 2nd through 6th starting at various rpms so low rpm power can be evaluated as well as high rpm snap response.

We both weigh the same and the bikes have the same upgrades, and if we happen to start off uneven, the run is aborted and we start over. ...

This is the ultimate test of truth in performance of the engine and can't be more accurate.

What you are capable of doing with it is your own business.


If anyone has this flash and wants to test it this way, send me a PM and we'll make it happen.


The bike will need to have stock gearing and wheelbase. ... just a pipe and tuning with no other go fast goodies.



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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
07/21/15 7:19 AM

we talked..he called.Asked my input about the flash.It was then he told me,"you have a Brock's on there?'...I said,'yes'.He said...okay...can you send it back to me,I want to upgrade yours to be specifically for YOUR setup.At no cost.

Nice Grn, this quote speaks volumes.

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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
07/21/15 8:07 AM

PAY ATTENTION GUYS!!!!!!

"There just isn't any more..." means, pipe is all she wrote. Port/cams/light eng parts if more hp is needed.

"10 hp? No way, not on this bike..." means, add ram and that's all she wrote if you're lucky.

"Showing more power by leaning the fueling so it's mixture is correct on the dyno just shows what the power is/would be when the bike is actually moving..." means, the IAP and your wrist is going to run it rich upon accel or remains the same AFR setting at pick a sustained rpm.

"Using that leaner mixture on the road is too lean and will slow the bike down...." meaning, even trying to tune for more HP in the 'mean is lean' area, I have to sell you a pc so it turns rich again? I'm paying attention. I just don't get it? IAP and ram even out in a rich sort of on the road and moving along and you messed with the compensator and went lean so back to rich again is full circle, right?

"Knowing how rich it's supposed to be on the dyno will give the correct result on the road..." means, I have a map for this condition when I sell a flash and now a pig for this rich result. So I went lean for power and now rich so it runs like the dyno result. Strange, yes? And ram is linear and the faster I move, the more the AFR keeps moving rich via the IAP vac and the air temp moving faster over that sensor is going to adjust the fueling too.

"Leaning the mixture will show almost 10 hp on the dyno (on this bike)...." means, I can't tell you the AFR number and release my AFR on my map? So I have to detune the lean, pay no attention to the IAP when you crack the throttle open all real time lean, but DTT is sitting there before the one 360 degree moves back to zero on that one cylinder [being at WOT] and did not DTT sit there waiting for the next fuel entry all IAP'd? Of course it is, see the AFR move rich upon accel... even if I run lean, here is me buddy sucking at it, and his sister sensor with that air blowing up heram sensor that sits in that left service door under the gas tank.

?This bike has a pretty heavy ram air compensation in the upper gears due to it's having to deal with a 200 mph wind blast so naturally there is a nice gain (as much as 8-10 hp) ON THE DYNO by leaning it out..." means, all that gain in lean, I have to cover it over with a pig and here is where you run smooth in a more rich condition... where did the HP go?

Ivan has an AFR mantra of a smooth setting and rich is smooth. So flash wise or pig wise, say Ivan flashes the map lean = Gained HP. He installs the pc and now you lose the HP and gain smooth? If lean makes more HP, does not overheat the engine, no knock, ram is linear, etc., it sure does not seem so lean. Stock is 14.1a or there abouts with this AFR needle I'm looking at. So I would have to run leaner than 14.1a is pay attention?

If I sustain 200mph, does my map remain at my set AFR or not? Run without that IPA and see why you need that sensor. It hammers the engine upon load. "method" cannot handle load, but limps you home no with no knocking when not under heavy loads. Which brings up the kit-ECU and is there a vac map? I don't recall, but the kit says to pull the air cleaner and not use... Sounds lean to me, but there is so much percentage of +/- fueling until you breakout of the math calc once you use a cell number that does not compute and it tells you so by defaulting that line with the TT (truth talb) number.

So the Cflash makes 13.5a on the dyno chart, makes more HP or [moved down the scale], squirts at a certain area of gained grunt, no pc to make it turn rich after a [lean gain] in HP via a [rich] flash? Is that how I'm reading this? Lean for more HP, rich for safety? Cancel out both sides one [is rich] and has less hp now than stock?

Vic = Sorta broke even is the result.
Grn = Sorta shows the low end grunt moved lower in a limp sort of way.

Why can't I resist the chaospeak. Slow much for one school of thought?



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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
07/21/15 1:41 PM

WOW ...



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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
07/21/15 1:54 PM

Yep...my sentiments exactly.How bout you Smokin...do you have a world class ass?You consider your butt dyno a valid

jumping off point in preliminary evaluations of your bikes?

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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
07/21/15 3:27 PM

I had my El Pené tested in a girls "butt dyno".

Now that is RECOMMENDED.



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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
07/21/15 7:42 PM

My butt dyno is broken ... :) Back when I tested Cblast flash I found his flash to have more botton end power ( below what I use at the drag strip ) I leave at 5500 so his flash didn't help me over the Guhl flash ..But I will say it's better for the avg street rider because he or she will use that part of the power band more than me.. Cblast ramps the flies open faster and that adds timing and fueling to the map earlier.. Don will do the same to your flash if you ask ..If you don't ask Don will set it at 3600 full open for the flies ..You have to look at the mapping in 3D to understand what is going on ..You all know I removed my flies on my bike but what some don't understand is the TPS on the flies shaft still sends a signal to the ECU.. Speeding up the flies to 2900 even if they are removed will still add timing faster than 3600 ..It also changes fueling ..You are asking the ECU to make changes based on input and it adjusts for those changes ..It doesn't change that much but enough that you can feel some better low end power .. At the upper mid and top the power is just about the same as shown by my back half numbers while testing at the track ..I'm with Ivan and Brock on the fueling , it should be done in the P/C and not the ECU ..Not that doing it in the ECU is a bad thing because it's not .. It's because it's much easier to make adjustments to the fueling for track use , also good for different types of riding ..

Flashing the ECU is a good thing but not for the reasons some are looking for ..If you are looking for more HP on top don't ...Adding 500 RPM to the top is good , this bike likes to shift at 11200 and not 10900 , it picks up MPH with this Because shift recovery falls back into a better part of the power band . Removing the top speed limiter is a plus , opening the flies sooner a plus , T/C default a plus ..Big plus is removing the safe mode !! .. All this makes the bike better , but again it doesn't turn a 200 HP bike into a 220 HP bike ..


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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
07/21/15 9:21 PM

Thanks Smokin...


well boys...there ya go.Spoken from a REAL rider and racer.

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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
07/22/15 7:10 AM

I found his flash to have more bottom end power

As has Grn found. Vic, I don't know? He's at 3600 and Grn is set at 2900? Vic does not mention a change in bottom end power as you or Grn has stated/shown.

But I will say it's better for the avg street rider

Any low speed grunt away from a fender is a plus.

Don will do the same to your flash if you ask ..If you don't ask Don will set it at 3600 full open for the flies

And here is where that phone call was an alleged pre-post of that ECU sent back and here, take this 3600 hit instead.

Speeding up the flies to 2900 even if they are removed will still add timing faster than 3600

Back to a balanced system laid out as per.

At the upper mid and top the power is just about the same as shown by my back half numbers

Same power, just moved in scale of that same old preset... slight variation.

it should be done in the P/C and not the ECU

Is why I run 3 pigs = 5 pig-tunes.

..also good for different types of riding ..

Like really lean it out and run cross country @ high 40+ per gallon... In comes the 6-gear maps and 6th- is tuned lean = OD with the same gear.

Big plus is removing the safe mode !! .. All this makes the bike better , but again it doesn't turn a 200 HP bike into a 220 HP bike

Ouch!
Romes = I'd like a list of _____ Fill in the blank.
Ivan = Did you want a pc withat?
Don = I can match any door swinging open, name your speed, limit removed, would you like a pig withat?
Ryan = I've got you covered click wise, limiter/door speed/etc.
Cblast = All of a sudden, a competitive price, or pay for flash/fuel alone, no pig needed in this tuning camp.

Use all sitting on the sidelines... That's all she wrote!
Thanks, Smoke/Grn/Vic/Ivan/Romes/Don/Ryan/Cblast... now, go have a blast figuring what to do is the rest of you sitting on the sidelines. Got enough info yet?



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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
07/22/15 4:18 PM

Got enough info yet?

I'm almost there.

Still a smidgen of chaos remains in the system.



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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
07/22/15 5:17 PM

Systems check:

"When we speak of ROM, we means a device with a bit pattern permanently fixed by the semicoductor manufacturer. Often this is called a mask-program ROM. The bit pattern is fixed by the masking part of the integrated circuit manufacturing process. The bit pattern is fixed according to the customer's specs. ROM's are only used in fairly high-volume applications, because custom mask design is expensive."



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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
07/22/15 7:42 PM



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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
08/25/15 3:52 AM

Been a while now since your comparison Vic.
Any updates or anything further to add after riding for a while?



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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
08/25/15 7:17 PM

Yannih I rode with the flashed ECU a couple thousand miles before conducting the test. So I was very familiar with the (lack of) differences. As I stated prior to posting the test results, the bike does not sound different at all, it does not get better fuel mileage, it does not "rev like a liter bike" whatever that claim even means.

I'm currently running the stock ECU. Other than a slightly more intrusive rev limit and having to turn off TRC every start up I literally cannot tell any difference.

But I do have one small update. I posted that vid for people to see I actually did conduct the testing. Someone on youtube happened by it and commented, "I see it... nice gains right from low rpm" . <-- this is entirely the problem with people who believe that just because they paid for something mean it makes some difference. It's like that show Bullshit, where they replaced $8/bottle water with city water from a garden hose and everyone thought it was so delicious and pure. Ray Zalinski said it best, what the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public. George Carlin had some interesting things to say about the public and marketing bullshit.

So I still don't recommend it, but hey people can buy what they want and if $400 less in their pocket accomplishes that better than crack habit I guess.

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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
08/25/15 10:33 PM

OK, yeah ... it is better than a crack habit. Meh



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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
08/26/15 9:46 AM

I guess this new test is the new bench mark of testing ? since all the tuners, moto GP teams, super bike teams
etc ... use this ?? seriously, this "test" is susceptible to variables ...

Go back to some of the first brock videos, and look at the power curves of a flashed bike and non flashed bike,
there are huge power gains through out the curve, the so called "safety mode"
maybe your flash didn't work for you for some reason, but mine did, I'm not an expert or tuner, but I have
been around bikes for 40 plus years, and I know my bikes, and I heard a difference the minute I started it up

I didn't even tell my son I put the flash in, and he was on the back, and he felt a difference ....

I'm probably not going to be around much, I have seen a lot of people trying to take down a good guy,
even blaming him for ECU's that were throwing codes BEFORE he even got it, so I will leave it to all
you that want to be here, I don't matter in the big scheme of things anyways,

ride safe ...


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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
08/26/15 12:24 PM

I'm probably not going to be around much, I have seen a lot of people trying to take down a good guy,

Cara, I can read your feelings in the Quote above. But, and it's a huge but, I can remember a time when that "Good Guy" as you put it worked Dame Hard in a full court press in taking Romans Down(me lol)for always telling the truth to make sales. As some of you here may remember ?

During that time the uneducated in flash world bought into the Magic pill hook line and sinker as what's in the Flash has been kept from them.

While being attacked at no time did Ever tuck tale a run. Nor have I retracted from one thing I had ever posted or said. For me full circle was just a matter of time. As I posted 3 years ago, Karma has a way.

Now as for your "good guy" he should stand tall and take his lumps as I did. Explain his position to his customers who have paid their 400 plus dollars to have their say.

Now If some one disagrees and post facts as he or she sees it, that is no reason to run and hide. This speaks volumes as to who you are as a person IMO.

Now if my post drags him out of hiding(Even if it is to attack me)some good came out of it and I did my job well.

Now I have posted this before but I will post it again. In the not to distant future many more of you will be buying your own software. When you do and start reading your own ECU's your going to wonder what all the fuss is about. The 3 years of mind Numbing flash threads we have just enjoyed will become laughable. Members having full Knowledge to what they have purchased is the key to all. And yes I'm itching to teach all who want the knowledge.

I'm not an expert or tuner, but I have
been around bikes for 40 plus years, and I know my bikes, and I heard a difference the minute I started it up

Because of your 40 plus years Cara you will be the easiest to teach to teach your self. (Did that make sense?) How your bike sounds at idle means absolutely nothing as you may soon learn. You do not need to be a expert. None of you do.

To many have been convinced this Flash Tech is Extremely Hard and they are not capable of doing this themselves. Nothing could be further than the truth. Sad. I'm hoping the brain washing Era comes to a end so we can all move forward.

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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
08/26/15 12:32 PM

I'm probably not going to be around much, I have seen a lot of people trying to take down a good guy

cara, you gotta suck up the public speak, be it misinformation, propaganda, truth, lies, oh I get it, unplug the computer, buy so many minutes on a phone, pick up the newspaper, turn on the TV; no more public access for you.

But come on line, deal with the idiots (being me as a perfect example) and observe real time as if a gathering of interest (14's). And as the interest of Justin being one of the main sponsors of some US race, the banners in every corner or TV shot, don't you think the Suz groups are using Justin's flash too? Yammie in the mix? Why would Woolich racing pour that kind of money into a race if he was not selling those units off the shelf?

So I'm saying that brick for brick, are the other brands in the same boat? Maybe some mitsu does not brick-out, if say a denso takes the flash fine, meaning, no bricks on the net are being complained about at a suz site...(alleged).

even blaming him for ECU's that were throwing codes BEFORE he even got it

... I can't keep up with who's throwing watt where? I'm going to assume an OE is sent to be flashed. How is this now throwing codes before who got it from whom? Are we saying Cblast received a Don flash and it was throwing codes before C could flash it? See how convoluted I can gather from this is how little is said about who's ECU?

so I will leave it to all
you that want to be here, I don't matter in the big scheme of things anyways.

Exactly. Sounds nihilist to me. But since I'm waiting for godot (fig of speech, yannhi) might as well dwell on the processing and I could give two shits about you thinking someone is having fingers pointed at them? And for no good reason? No one is bending your arm to choose one flasher over the other.

Count me out of this. Go back and see where I see C on a learning curve and that's it. I've bumbled and still do at my craft. And as far as Vic's input and Smokes, I have no clue how Smoke can feel the grunt, the kid on the backseat can feel it and Vic says it's all even up?

It says, without the AFR showing a 13a map [which Vic does not have on his bike], then I have to assume there is just quicker numbers is to say, a sub flap opening @ 100% are the quicker numbers??? Shit, I just hear the subs rattle on low end pull in top gear. With subs locked open, no rattle, same gear, and can hardly tell the difference upon accelling away anyway.



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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
08/26/15 12:54 PM

I can remember a time when that "Good Guy" as you put it worked Dame Hard in a full court press in taking Romans Down(me lol)

That was raw E rolled up in one. Enthusiast and Ego. Same goes for Mav and the E. Nothing wrong with that. What puts it all in perspective is to see the percentages of winners on Pinks. I remember a lot of old farts out gunning the field, all the way up to the top 16, and then, 'ol sun wrinkled, toofless, brings the grand-kids to the winner's circle to collect the prize... Surprise!!

I think they missed that memo



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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
08/26/15 4:06 PM

I dont like writing negative entries, but I agree with Romans here.

If one has a product where they have consistently sung its praises,
If one appears to be supremely confident with their offering,
If one one appears to be secure in their knowledge relating to their product,

and some one then questions it, it is the most natural reaction to answer that question and resolve anything negative,

To defend a product that they are so passionate about,
To defend their own reputation,
To defend potential future sales.

Especially in a public forum.

I have read this thread from start to finish and all I have really been waiting for is a response from one person.
His response and his version of whats being discussed and questioned.

But all I have read is outside agencies either questioning or defending.

Sadly this silence gives me no choice but to make obvious conclusions and assumptions.

When things are going well and everything is easy, pretty much anyone can excel.
But we are actually judged when things get tough and the pressure is on.

Sorry if this offends but these are just my thoughts.


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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
08/26/15 4:25 PM

It is possible that when one knows the quality of something they've come up with...they honestly feel no need to defend it?IDK...Some here say they 'feel' a difference,some no.I did...but I don't speak for everyone.

Entering in to an online conversation regarding such things and why sometimes ends up with a bunch of rock throwing and unthinking responses.I can see why one might choose to say nothing.That doesn't mean they CAN'T defend their deal.Or that something's amiss with it.

C flashed my ECU...I felt a difference,in a good way.That's all I can say about this.He's on the level...I'll say that right now.

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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
08/26/15 6:22 PM

Cara, I can read your feelings in the Quote above. But, and it's a huge but, I can remember a time when that "Good Guy" as you put it worked Dame Hard in a full court press in taking Romans Down(me lol)for always telling the truth to make sales. As some of you here may remember ?

During that time the uneducated in flash world bought into the Magic pill hook line and sinker as what's in the Flash has been kept from them.

While being attacked at no time did Ever tuck tale a run. Nor have I retracted from one thing I had ever posted or said. For me full circle was just a matter of time. As I posted 3 years ago, Karma has a way.

Now as for your "good guy" he should stand tall and take his lumps as I did. Explain his position to his customers who have paid their 400 plus dollars to have their say.

Now If some one disagrees and post facts as he or she sees it, that is no reason to run and hide. This speaks volumes as to who you are as a person IMO.

Now if my post drags him out of hiding(Even if it is to attack me)some good came out of it and I did my job well.

Now I have posted this before but I will post it again. In the not to distant future many more of you will be buying your own software. When you do and start reading your own ECU's your going to wonder what all the fuss is about. The 3 years of mind Numbing flash threads we have just enjoyed will become laughable. Members having full Knowledge to what they have purchased is the key to all. And yes I'm itching to teach all who want the knowledge.

I'm not an expert or tuner, but I have
been around bikes for 40 plus years, and I know my bikes, and I heard a difference the minute I started it up

Because of your 40 plus years Cara you will be the easiest to teach to teach your self. (Did that make sense?) How your bike sounds at idle means absolutely nothing as you may soon learn. You do not need to be a expert. None of you do.

To many have been convinced this Flash Tech is Extremely Hard and they are not capable of doing this themselves. Nothing could be further than the truth. Sad. I'm hoping the brain washing Era comes to a end so we can all move forward.

Romans is completely right. It's not some miracle rocket science flashing ECUs. I've flashed hundreds of computers and devices in my life, all you need is the right lead (cable) and software that understands how to access and write the BIN file(s). I priced out the WRT software myself long before really considering buying a flash.



It is possible that when one knows the quality of something they've come up with...they honestly feel no need to defend it?IDK...Some here say they 'feel' a difference,some no.I did...but I don't speak for everyone.

Entering in to an online conversation regarding such things and why sometimes ends up with a bunch of rock throwing and unthinking responses.I can see why one might choose to say nothing.That doesn't mean they CAN'T defend their deal.Or that something's amiss with it.

C flashed my ECU...I felt a difference,in a good way.That's all I can say about this.He's on the level...I'll say that right now.

So here's my problem. Read between the lines on what Roman is actually saying, particularly about the magic pill. Marketing is the key to many business's success. Why are Nike sneakers so expensive? Because they're really manufactured to such a greater extent than brand x? No. It's marketing. Same with name brand foods at the store with store brand foods sitting right next to them. Most of the time, there's little to no difference for what's often.

So let's go to CBlast's flash school. Quite honestly, now that I see the results (which are nothing) and I look at the lingo and what not portrayed by the seller using such phrases as "finite mathematical tool". Big scary words must be complicated. I can see why Grn would find this bewildering and mysterious. To me, it was a warning sign I should've heeded.

Now let's look at something CBlast claims on this forum which is UNTRUE 100%

Period. I guarantee satisfaction or I will flash ur ecu back to whatever state ya had it in for free.

It's impossible for him to return an ECU "back to whatever state ya had it". He can't return my ECU back to the original OEM condition! It's impossible with the software application he uses to perform the flash! When CBlast made this claim he either was LYING or was IGNORANT to the fact that this isn't truly possible.

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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
08/26/15 7:06 PM

I remember Tiger Woods saying "Feel is not always real" (back when he was good! )

Any chance a flash makes the bike sound different (louder?) but not actually any faster?



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RE: CBlast Vs Stock ECU...finally done!
08/26/15 7:46 PM

"I can see why Grn would find this bewildering and mysterious"...sorry...you have the wrong GRN here. You're the one that can't tell any difference...blockhead.Again I say...you DID NOT follow the testing instructions from C.You wound it out in 4th.You were supposed to throw a shift in there and snap her wide open.Not my fault you can't comprehend the English language;)

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