Justin, The scenario goes: Say we have a few Woolich owners, we own the box, we paid for the bin files, we all ride the same bike. I burn one down, and want to trade or try a pre-written bin. If I want another 14R owner to try it, can they open about 5 maps I've burned to try I sent them the bin file(s) I made? Thanks?

No, you can't just send someone a map you've created, even if they own the Woolich system- they won't be able to open it as it's encoded for your individual account, and they will get the message that the map isn't recognized.

Justin said he's working on a map-sharing system, but at the moment it's not in place.

* Last updated by: gobrian77 on 9/2/2013 @ 4:22 PM *

Ouch...

You could always send the numbers in an excel sheet and they can be copied-and-pasted over a stock .bin file map (as long as the receiver has paid for access to the stock map).

It's easy to see Justin's point- if the .bin files could be freely exchanged, there would be nothing to prevent any .bin files being shared, even if they weren't originally paid for by whomever receives them- the guy has to protect his business.

This is why most tuners will insist you send them your ECU (and why they lock them down) for modifications.

* Last updated by: gobrian77 on 9/2/2013 @ 5:56 PM *

Thanks, gob. Yes, I do see that issue, but it still means to own the doghouse [box] so the transfer happens. Well, this is more like a kennel club and we all own the same dog [bin$] with the same cough (backfire) sorta speak. There is no conflict that way. You are more handcuffed to that bin you bought. Because that is your base map to go back to on said year. YOu bin an '06 with an '08? You can't. Get it? Injector changes. You'll code out of spec (ask Cblast to explain it to you or, NOLTC) LOL!

Some can math it out (Cblast), others (me) will find it confusing, challenging, overwhelming, tedious, and rather call out for a map, because theirs are just not that well paper trained sorta speak. I'm kidding. I can't wait to begin burning. I'm just mentioning the "Classic Call Out" is all.

I'm back to physically hacking the outside of the bike again. I'm back to locking open the subs using a remote actuator. Pee lug and play without a sub screw being touched. That is "THE" Lane Splitter Mode.

Watt I heard was some (cough0cough) made mention of a certain sensor with a certain detuning occurring, cough-coughit up. So you have those besides the sub move. The other attempt is to swap a gen1 throttle body to a gen2 bike, try to plumb that idle trick into the equation.

I'm not about to burn first and find out WOT the difference is? I want to torment zx14 for awhile and find that killerideveryone sings about.

* Last updated by: Hub on 9/2/2013 @ 7:23 PM *

You can still share your numbers- you just can't share actual .bin files- I can paste any numbers you give me into a map I already have access to- it's a bit more labor-intensive (though we're talking about minutes)- if you've purchased the 2012/13 .bin files, you have access to all of them, including any new ones that are added- it's the same with the other model-specific files.

If you sent me some changes/numbers/suggestions, I could either paste them into my already-modified map, or add them to a stock .bin file that's compatible with my bike, and upload it to my ECU- it's not a big deal.

To say you're 'handcuffed' isn't really accurate- you only have access to what you've purchased, though, which seems fair enough. For example, you can send me the STP numbers you use for your '08 map and I can paste them into my '13 map- I wouldn't be able to view the actual .bin file, but I'd still have all the info I needed to create my own.

* Last updated by: gobrian77 on 9/2/2013 @ 8:31 PM *

Hi, as gobrian77 mentioned we have the Woolich Racing MapShare in development which will allow you to share your bin files with other users, you will be able to select bin files from MapShare and they will be downloaded in WRT and you will be able to flash to the your ECU to test. Quite a bit of work has been completed on this feature, we will probably release a basic version to start and add features like user comments, and user ratings for bin files over time and also sections where you can list the the modifications you have done to the bike etc.

Pretty amazing that a guy(Justin)would be making these options a part of his complete package...IDK of anyone who has done something like this...truly cool and on the real I'd say.

Thanks Grn14, i guess it helps that i am just like you guys and ride bikes and like to tune them myself, so we work on features and products that I want to use as much as you guys :)

i am just like you guys and ride bikes and like to tune them myself, so we work on features and products that I want to use as much as you guys :)

You could always send the numbers in an excel sheet and they can be copied-and-pasted over a stock .bin file map (as long as the receiver has paid for access to the stock map)

Also pics work, Primitive but works just fine to get the idea. ie Here is a picture of Neutral Timing Map. Next Shows the switch to the bikes New Timing Map once bike is in gear. Great way to teach with pictures(Thousand words). If had I tri pod had could do better job. I will work on it.

* Last updated by: Romans on 9/3/2013 @ 6:45 AM *

Woolich Racing MapShare is go!

Its really straight forward to submit bin files to MapShare, there is a button in the Woolich Racing Tuned software "Submit Map Share", you will be prompted for details on the tune including Exhaust, Airfilter, Fuel Type, Engine Modifications etc. Once you have Shared the Bin File it will be available on the MapShare section of our web site http://www.woolichracing.com/MapShare]http://www.woolichracing.com/MapShare"]http://www.woolichracing.com/MapShare

If you would like to subscribe to a MapShare, you will just have to login to MapShare on our website with your Woolich Racing account details and on the "View Map Share" page there is a "Subscribe" Button.

Once you have subscribed to a MapShare, it will be automatically downloaded to your computer the next time you open Woolich Racing Tuned software.

To use the MapShare, you just open a Bin File Definition for the particular model, then click on the "Apply MapShare" button, you can view all of the MapShares that you have subscribed to for the particular model and select the one that you want to apply. You can also choose which maps and settings you would like to apply.

There is a Comments/Questions section on the "View Map Share" page on our website where you can comment on MapShares and there is also a Rating system, so once you have Subscribed to a MapShare and you have tested it on your bike you can rate how good it is. MapShares are displayed on the main MapShare page in sections sorted by Rating, Most Popular (i.e. most subscriptions) and Latest Activity.

Obviously there are not many MapShares available yet as it has just been released. But this is where you guys come into the picture. Submit your bin files to MapShare and allow others to test out your mods and settings and rate how good your tunes are.

Tune your bike to the limit...

So this mapshare deal is virtually the same as getting a download from say,Dynojet...and installing on the Powercommander.But if I want the mapshare thing...I have to buy the Woolrich Tuning deal and use it to load my ECU...yes?I could load anyone's map into my ECU and call it good?What 'equipment' do I need to utilize the mapshare and loading capabilities only...NO SELF TUNING.

You'd have to get the box, the ECU cable connector to the box, a usb cable to the hard drive from out of the box. You would be bike specific, so you'd have to buy the bin file for said ECU part number.

The next part is I believe all free share? Because if I burn a map, send it in, it's all yours to try. I could send in a plain old rev limiter increase, a single map change, or a 4 map change. I could combine the 4 maps as one size fits all in 1 map. It's almost endless how you can setup the ECU, and send in one burned bin file or many.

* Last updated by: Hub on 10/5/2013 @ 11:38 PM *

It's tempting....but I'll pass fer now.Maybe I'll have YOU flash my bike sometime...hurry up will ya;)Tell ya the truth...I've been waiting for you to come up with a killer smooth and strong fueled flash....what'd that guy say..."git er done'....;)

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/6/2013 @ 12:00 AM *

Justin,

I was over Ridge's hacking site, saw you talk about not to combine the sequential maps together? Or someone said they screw up when you do so do not set that combination? I didn't catch the whole scenario. Any input on that? Thanks.

Hi Hub, i am not quite sure which post you mean or what you mean by "sequential maps" can you please give me some more information?

http://www.ecuhacking.activeboard.com/t54635664/unifying-fuel-maps/

Thanks, Justin. Yeah, I found it and it does not apply to the 14, but I am more thinking on the lines of formula and heat sort of speak. Outside 1-4 cylinders have air as a sidekick, where 2-3 have water jackets as sidekicks. So this idea of what it takes to formulate this liquid, the heat, the air temp, and all that different mapping differences between sequential maps.

What is your take on this?

Then again, if we think about the car engine, there is the fuel pump drop in pressure time, some sort of crank degree timing, and pump recovery time? Mitsu is not about to explain 4 fuel and 4 ign maps, but my guess is heat and time sequencing? I have no clue why 4 maps are used, but I can guess at it, or say if I throw more formula to it.

Hi hub, yes that conversation was talking about unifiying fuel maps for use in Woolich Racing Auto Tune. You are on the right track, the ECU's have cylinder maps to allow the tuning of fuel and ignition to account for things like different cylinders running different temperatures etc.

Ah, under cold conditions, all injectors are in simultaneous fire. So cold running temp is simultaneous. When in running temp, the engine now fires under sequential fire. The fuel is going to be determined by the next cylinder fire. So during acceleration, an additional amount of fuel is injected.... Something to do with a lean transition happening under accel... So it seems the next cylinder is prepared for the lean drop in degrees, right?

The car boys are inside their ECU's and are trying to determine what is not in the shop manuals/factory reference manuals, but are guessing the logic to the maps they see and the reactions between cold start and running temps. So since we have sequential fire in the 14, was that your software programmed to do this syncing of the sequential maps, or is this a factory bin able to do this? Because we are reading in english, not japanese.

So if your built software has the ability to do it, the ECU bins do not have that programmed to do this, do you need to remove that ability? See what I'm saying? I guess it's a no-no to crop the sequence as one? Cold means the injectors are shooting a simultaneous 10ms of pulse/width rich, because of poor atomization. Once warm, back to sequential and that better atomization under heat to expanding sciences.

I guess this is a 'Warning Flag' to "NOT" simultaneous fire the sequential maps? Make sense why in a few formulas the car boys chasing tune but dealing with lambda(02) in the exhaust pipe? We are in the a/N and in open loop, so our maps are preset to the sequence of things. Want to dial in more fuel rich to what is already on top of the the air lag? Then do not crop the maps. The aftmrts on the intake side and the exhaust side> air lag makers = 'at speeds under [initial] load.' Fix that smoothing trim! Get it?

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/17/2014 @ 9:54 AM *

If we could crack the hack into the numbers game, find 0/101/14.7/760/Penultimate number (a-N) on the "fuel map", Say someone, not me that made up actual values in a car's ECU. Say the range is 0 to 255. Say, with 128 representing a 14.7 A/F. A map value of 150 represents an A/F of (128/150)*14.7 = 12.544.

Justin, If we knew where 14.7 was in reference to each fuel map, we could make formula and dial in the A/F using this octal number to convert to binary. We'd have it hand written out so we come back to the same [stock] cell number. Pain in the ass, but a grid sheet of tables and cells is a grid sheet to be filled out, if only we knew the formula or where N is to start with?

Are you on the same page I'm on with this one formula scenario, Justin?

Oops, octal is 3 numbers. That may throw formula off if 4 number are used? That still means you could still use the same number or 2089 is the highest number on one of the maps? They both look like the same numbers 4 numbers for both IAP and TPS cells meaning.

If the car boys figured out an A/F formula, maybe we can find a math wiz to zip right thru this and find N to work off of?

Hi hub, your thinking on this is a little bit off track. There is no optimal fix all number for tuning the fuel maps to achieve a particular AFR, the best way to achieve a particular AFR is to measure where it is and then make corrections to the fuel map to move towards your intended AFR.

Justin, yes I understand the process. I'm looking at the 2 bird approach. There is formula and then there is formula. If someone took the afr numbers off the cells, calc'd the afr to read down to the decimals, there has to be a formula to begin with to place those number where they are.

I understand the base [tune] setting, where the pc5 takes over and begins to math the plot of what was written in the pc software. They grab number X from the bike, Y is the pc software, we now have two numbers that math to the Z [new fuel number] in the pc cells. And if you want to save that map, you have to lock it in or it just keeps ripping off more numbers as the day/months warms/chills/etc.

Again, your chip has english subtitles in a japanese ECU. Whoever wrote that program of yours, they have a base number that starts out as a preset afr and it fills in the blanks from there... Just guessing? Again, formula is somewhere. There is an absolute something [in formula] and I'll find that too, just like I figure out how the tre hacks in the signal sense of it.

I'll worm my way into the jet propulsion lab in Pasadena and pick a brain there or just walk into a high school and find a teacher who is teaching advanced programming. I think I showed how the tre goes limp or a 'basic limp' in general? It was too simple and a formula explained it.

See my approach instead of hit and miss with all the combos of flash out there?

The factory uses the same approach to develop a fuel map as described before, i.e. test, measure adjust, no magic formulas.

No subtitles or comments in a bin file mate, its binary code 0's and 1's super low level.

ummm hub, i wrote every line of code in WRT :) The maps shown in a stock bin file are the maps the came in the ECU from the factory.

No subtitles or comments in a bin file mate, its binary code 0's and 1's super low level.

Understood. My tuner friend is going to school me on the pc. I've already played with your 3-D map and I may work the afr burns off of those changes, find some sort of direction to tune? My afr will monitor the changes plus the data logging to compare, plus the autotune will smooth it out.

Thanks for all your help, jwool!