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Created on: 05/08/13 10:23 AM

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
01/25/14 7:33 AM

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
01/25/14 8:45 PM

Ordered mine today..... Looking forward to dumping the PCV

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
01/25/14 10:02 PM

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
01/31/14 9:42 AM

Ordered mine today..... Looking forward to dumping the PCV

I Ordered a pc5.

It goes something like this.

Flash = I changed my underwear from one color to the next. You changed nothing but cloth.
Pig = I bought a penis pump enlarger. Now, there is a buldge in my flashy undies.

The processing book showed a binary backuplan. Is the flash in a preset range? When I messed with a racing ECU, if I typed out of range, I would receive a + or a - next to the bad cell number. To me it now says the math tables will choose the "best" default binary.

When Smoke lost power messing with two flash programs in one ECU, that default binary was filling in that bad cell(s). My guess is a same limited range within the cells or the backuplann goes into effect. That is why you grab the stock output signal and alter that frequency inside the pc.

So you can say, I went nowhere by just flashing. I am built within a parameter and have a 50/50 chance of hitting a +/- entry [you can't see]. I cannot change a cell with a pc, thefore I never breach the Bi's default widow parameters.

I have the right to be wrong... Therfore the processing book is wrong too?



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/01/14 9:48 AM

A PCV on a 14R is a step backwards.



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/01/14 12:25 PM

"So you can say, I went nowhere by just flashing"...hmmm...interesting.If a flash does nothing...IDK WHY my bike would have different temps and mileage per gallon.Maybe it's all in my head?I just 'think' it runs better?IDK.

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/01/14 6:32 PM

http://www.factorypro.com/manuals/Kaw,KRT,zx6r,zx10r,05-07,Mk2,lateKRT/zx6r,6rr,zx10r,07,FI_Cal_Tool_Manual.pdf

http://www.factorypro.com/tech/tech_tuning_procedures/tuning_kawasaki_KRT_kit_ecu.html

I pulled one pdf so you can now have a peek at the other 2.

What I didn't do was grab key pages and point out things like _______ Fill in the blanks. So I rather you take a test drive, see what bins are missing. See how a blending there of is 1-4 and 2-3 fueling maps. Lots of moves explained. But the one key that said, 'we will take the best number and counter yours in the final binary round of "don't care"--For that number you are playing with. Said number is out of range, you forgot to change ________ Fill in the blank so your number is golden.'


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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/01/14 7:38 PM

That article and the manual are with regards to the 06 set-up. The wooly software interface with the Mitsubishi ecu and the range adjustability within the ecu are more than adequate. The ecu parameters may be narrow for a boosted bike, but as long as we aren't talking turbo air/fuel needs what we have access to is fantastic. As long as due diligence is done with mapping and checking each gear throughout the ranges, the result is exceptioanal. Much better overall functionality and everything working together as it should in a seemless manner.



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/01/14 8:42 PM

IVAN! Oh, Ivan!

Ivan will verify if he sells both the flash and the pc together, meaning, the better tune. I'm sure he sells both individually, but if you want smoothing without sacrifice to the ECU about to 'no thanks' on your move: is find the compromise inside the pc still.

Say kit-ECU gives you a -30/+30 fuel trim. Say to yourself, if they can average in the 30/30 window, how about you are stuck at a math'd 10/10 widow? And again, the pdf says it finds the best formula with that math being calc'd in so many tables: you can imagine all those moves between the APS/Temp/Ign/4 individual maps that calc down to the 'compromise range.' .... kit-ECU page ________ Fill in the blank.

And are you about to touch the IAP map to go accelerating to 11 AFR under load? Or how simple it is to select the accel mode in the pc or screw a pot open on a Dobeck and have your way at the acceleration about to light the back tire a lot sooner than a flash?

Ivan?



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/01/14 8:54 PM

That article and the manual are with regards to the 06 set-up.

1999 Busa = Code 6Locked
2014 ZX-14 = Code 6Locked
Full blown all matching parameters of a Busa or 14 = Any bike including an '06.

How can you tell? Bite The Penultimate = 760mmHg

You mean binary as in a processor needing a number to fall back on in backuplan? Yes. Forever the X -/+ Y = NOLTT



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/02/14 3:11 AM

The only people still pushing power commanders as a better option to ecu flashing are those with a vested interest in selling more power commanders...

We have tuners from around the world tuning bikes using our products with no add on modules, this includes bikes used for everything from 350 mile/hour land speed racing bikes, 7 second drag bikes, domestic superbike teams to many regular road riders tuning their bikes themselves.

You will find the reason send in services dont change fuel maps in the ECU's that they flash is because every bike should be tuned as an individual, using pre canned maps from another bike, be they for power commander or the ECU is not the way to tune a bike correctly, there are a lot of factors that will affect the tune of bike including modifications, local conditions etc. these should be accounted for when tuning.

Hub those pdf's you listed are for the KRT race kit ecu's which have a totally different way to adjust fueling and ignition and other settings in the ECU, so i think you are chasing pink snowflakes again mate.



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/02/14 8:04 AM

The accelerator pump feature in the PC software doesn't 'add' anything. It was added as an update to the pcIII way back when to help with more basic fuel injection systems that had horrible throttle transition stumbles when comin on the throttle. It does zero to help a properly tuned 14R. And by proper tune, I don't mean with a powercomander lying to the ecu.

ACCEL PUMP

For instance, it was great feature to help with tuning my gen I busa and getting her to not jerk in throttle transitions. Not needed on this machine. The woolich set-up gives us every single thing we need to create an absolutely flawless tune. With the addition of the new data logging making it possible to tune correctly with out guesstimating or needing dyno time to confirm, Justin has given us the most powerful tuning tools I have ever gotten the privilege of using. It's tuning with a calculator and a scalpel instead if a screwdriver and counting fingers and toes.


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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/02/14 10:33 AM

Hub those pdf's you listed are for the KRT race kit ecu's which have a totally different way to adjust fueling and ignition and other settings in the ECU, so i think you are chasing pink snowflakes again mate.

jwool, I was a guessing fool, but close to figuring out this GPS coding or better known as the 'timing retard eliminator.' It turns out to be a backuplan. The shop manual says, 'we take safety measures' and they say nothing else. So you have to read between the lines, go way back to 1983 when harley came out with the VOES, or variable (timing retard) operating electronic switch. You put the 2 and 2 together, you windup with generic processing procedures. The flip-flopped.

Ivan comes in with this unit way before the flash thing a few years back. Ivan still uses the same setup, different plugs from 1999 to 2014. I run my same ohm change so the flip flops >>> it's that generic. So now I read a balanced number can turn into a limp, flip from 60mhz to flipping to 50mhz in a limp situation. I'm reading chip cracking can deteriorate down the road. I can see the decimal move in the pc, your octal move on your mapping cells, I see the ascii moves in the truth tables the chip manu has to be handcuffed to, show me the octal number equaling 14.7 so I can accel from there. I type a middle octal number, not cut and paste, I move one number in a cell, it could be out of sync now. Why? Because I did not press the + or - in the cell to match the math. I used an offset cell number not equaling a c&p, or a +/- move so the math jells. Now that number becomes a pink snowflake, the logic gates did read C*B*A + C*B*A = Y, it now reads B*C*A + C*B*A = Y. It hits I don't know how many adders/multiplyers/decoders/the list is long in the processing of a bi number.

It now says both in the kit-ECU and these processing books I'm peeking into: say basically the same thing. 'We will take 'the best' combo, not the 'ideal' number, but it maths close enough to "satisfy' the truth tables." That is generic by the processing alone that is handcuffed to the T-Tables, be it octal or decimal.

My pink snowflake of a guess was when Smoke made a move it hit the 50mhz limp. It mixed a decimal with an octal, meaning, [Don would have to come forth], name his cell number as in using decimal/octal/ect., then if Smoke layered over that move = 50mhz is my best pinky flake. The fix was to match decimal with dec or octi with an octi cell and now 60mhz is back in play.

So here is the clash at the moment, as if you were Ivan, jwool, come in with a unit, try to describe what is going on motherboard wise? So your background is sitting at a keyboard, looking at a monitor, never sniffs flux all day creating a motherboard. To me it says, you are on the monitor side, not the motherboard side of experience, correct? You more work in the coding of it, not the building of that box's miniboard, know what parts to use to make it work the way it does, etc... We'd be on the same page.

You bought some software that is code-able to match the coding of some chip so microsoft and the chip communicate in the same bin, meaning? My reversengineering goes something like this: I do not know what your octal number reps as in the 760mmHg in octal, or 14.7 in decimal? I have a Pa gauge, an AFR meter, the tach and if I match Pa to AFR to Tach to TPS opening, the intersects on your map being 80Pa as the Pa of X the rpm being Y, I intersect the Pa to rpm, I think I can find your octal number as something being close to 14.7 = Z loads the bike's brakes dyno style to hit 14.7 on the AFR meter in a sustained [throttle] setting? See it like I do... In Theory that is?

That means, yes, I am chasing you down [like I chased Ivan's hack] to find the penultimate number and cell move from there. Unless your customers can pinpoint what octal number is 14.7. So, do you see me chasing your software because you wrote it or bought the software and cannot show me where the penultimate pink is? We should be on the same page I explain flip-flop, truth tables, decoders, adders, parallel adder/subtractor systems, ascii truth tables, etc. So did you build the box or had an EE design it with said parts on the mini-board?

So I pink flaked Ivan's move and I'll probably find your octal number soon too. Ivan could not answer my question(s) I solved on my own is why I've come this far. He was on the outside hacking the inside and now you are on the inside. It's a game of hunting down each degree of crank move is each flip of a flip I'm watching is now your moves, jwool. It's all about the breakdown of the (processing) movement, not the performance aspect of it that I'm chasing, jwool. Like you said, I'm looking for that one pink flake in an avalanche = The Penultimate Cell in 60mhz.


It's tuning with a calculator and a scalpel instead if a screwdriver and counting fingers and toes.

I'm not even close to learning the coding process of the forward slashes needed and the other basic moves one needs to memorize like the binary system. Now, I'm going to guess if I pull up the IAP map, that is the acceleration load to swing the fuel to the 13 AFR. I can run a Dobeck, move the pot and I can dip into the 10 AFR's on the fly: I run a blade up from the pot slit to a stable hand dial. I'd have to burn that map over and over to reach the perfect pot-wheel spin I get from the accel pot move. Not only am I low on chip cracking, I am back to the OE map on the fly of a toggle.

So with 4 maps to play with, I have a toggle to the two maps in the pc, I toggle the pc off, I now am back to the stock OE or toggle up the Dobeck. I burn, I 'best' the 4 individual maps, 'best' the ign curve to match as I change one map (only) but you left the others alone? You better equally burn the ign to match the fuel, or you let the tables take the 'bestshot' at that pinky flake of a number in that [one map] cell.

With the Dobeck, I can tune for the day. With a flash, I'd have to work all day to match the sun be setting, and my chip has yet to cool down. Do I still use pig or not? And where is Ivan to answer or give an educated guess/opinion? If I had a dyno in my backyard, I'd have the answer. Ivan has way too many hours to tell [if] a flash is THE move or a pc is THE smoothing agent = The better OA map.



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/02/14 10:47 AM

"We have tuners from around the world tuning bikes using our products with no add on modules",


" Do I still use pig or not? "...I'll take a guess...I think he said 'no';)Snowflake;)


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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/02/14 11:51 AM

Grn, you may have street speed, but you are no racer with solid input. I need someone with experience like, "The Hand" or "The Consistent One," Brock or Ivan. You had the skid move bike before I upgraded to one and when I said to nail it on the wet stuff, stones, ice, there was zero input. I turn the key, k-skid all the way up to the tarmac and the k-skid stopped. That was wheel chattering my 555 timer and the milliamps took care of that move.

So you are going to talk about k-skid and never made the gravel to road transition and you are going to speak-skid to me? Same as reaching around for a map burn all locked into one bundle and now no control of k-skid? LOL



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/02/14 12:02 PM

"but you are no racer with solid input"...this true...I'm no racer."Street speed"...dangerous and risky...which I'm guilty of and am trying to watch.It's EASY to get in over yer head....don't I know;)


"there was zero input"...there was input...a video I posted back whenever it was...80mph on newly wet road...full brake application...more than once.Also hammered my 2013 on a dirt road in the correct Kskid config.I did all this...already.And posted up about what happened.....over a year ago.No...I'm not foolish enough to 'find out what'll happen' on severe gravel or ice...NO KSKID will save ya on that if ya get in the throttle.It wasn't designed for that.We both know it's NOT total save yer ass engineering.

I have a vid right now on youtube showing the abs efficiency....dry road...yes...but COLD out...31 or so degrees...at a good rate of mphs.Several full brake applications...not a peep of skid or loss of control.


I'd have to say...I do think that using the kskid for takeoffs(hard) could be risky.Not feeling the hook up could be dangerous under the right conditions.As strange as that sounds.


I don't intend to change this thread...so I'll just say this and let it be...on a dirt road...in 1st gear...with Ktrc on "1"...full power mode....I opened er up to around 1/3rd throttle.The bike fishtailed big time before the Kskid actually stopped the wheel from breaking loose.I chose to NOT repeat the experiment;)


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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/02/14 12:19 PM

This is about the flash, not skid, not fast guys on bikes taking chances is not how a racer thinks. I am getting conflicting info between tuners.

So until a flash goes up against a flashed-pig-setup, fix your makeup...



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/02/14 12:24 PM

"I am getting conflicting info between tuners"...to pig or not to pig?....spend and go for it if ya choose.JK said it all.What runs better?Regardless of 'tuners' and what they're saying.And EVERY bike as he said can be tuned to a specific way of running w/or without the pig...so many variables at any given time....


"This is about the flash, not skid,"...very true...I spoke when I shouldn't have... sorry to you all...have an awesome day;)


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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/02/14 12:48 PM

to pig or not to pig?....spend and go for it if ya choose

Throttle body bought over the counter = Tuition to Fuel I see it now.
Ivan came along = I see it now on the outside.
Dobeck = Tuition to the potheory of the guy who started powrecomder, has gone in another direction.
Wooly Box = Tuition to have a peek inside.
Every pc plug-in sans the shift rod actuator to round out that whole package = Tuition to begin the mapping process, the data uploading, the CD's that came with it = Not tethered to the internet.

WhY? Because your butt is not my assfactor when it comes to tuneup. For me to find out what I want to know, I pay for it in a tuition kind of way. I have 4 assfactors to sit on. YOu are sitting on one.

Next tuition is a matching ECU so that means 5 variables of tune. Where is your R&D?... A post office stop? The little red book said, "No investigation, no right to speak."


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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/02/14 12:56 PM

Keep digging Hub... you're doing great.
You'll get to the truth soon enough without anyone's input (including mine)

The brown twinkie will be evident with a golden halo around it.


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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/02/14 1:01 PM

And it floats too... Love ya, Ivan!



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/02/14 2:24 PM

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/02/14 3:44 PM

The cake (twinkie) is a lie.




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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/03/14 12:32 AM

"So your background is sitting at a keyboard, looking at a monitor, never sniffs flux all day creating a motherboard. To me it says, you are on the monitor side, not the motherboard side of experience, correct? You more work in the coding of it, not the building of that box's miniboard, know what parts to use to make it work the way it does, etc... We'd be on the same page."

No we are not on the same page, far from it, your assumptions are incorrect :) I designed the interfaces, designed the harnesses, wrote the WRT software including communications protocols used for flashing and also write the low level code that runs on the micro controller for products like the log box pro. So basically every part of the solution. My background is in Mechanical Engineering, but i have been writing software and working with electronics for about 20 years.



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
02/03/14 12:32 AM

In plain English hub what is it you are trying to achieve or find?



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