I grade you Raidid the resistors!

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Hey dragking Thanks again for the info. The deal on the Akrapovic was amazing that is why I went with them. Also the PC V was part of the same purchase for $725.00 brand new. You gotta like eBay. I was leaning toward going with some kind of slip-ons just for the reason that I preferred the look of the duals on the big monster bike. I agree that the full 4 into 1 exhaust is the bigger bang for your buck, I had the V&H SS2R on my ZX11 and it worked & sounded perfect. I not looking to squeeze every pony out of this bike I just want to give it some presence. This bike is the one for allot of years and I want to keep it worry free. I am having this bike setup professionally. One of the best motorcycle engine builders I know just happens to be one of my best friends. He owns a bike shop close to me. In my opening post I said I've been riding a fully restored 1995 ZX1109 Ninja for the past 6 yrs. He's the dude that did all work on my ZX11.
I am interested in knowing more how the T.R.E. will take care of the same issues as removing the flies. If you could go into more detail on that it would be greatly appreciated as I don't want to do anymore to this bike that I have to. I will be passing this info onto my friend with the shop so he also can make an informed decision around what is the best all around setup for this bike with what I have going into it.

Hey guys just so you know YOU ROCK and so does this forum. Thanks again for all your help. I hope I can be of assistance to you guys sometime soon.

Blake

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Hello Hub: I don't mean to sound rude or stupid but I honestly have no idea what your trying to tell me. Please explain further. If installing a T.R.E mod is a bad thing please let me know. The last thing I want to do is wreck this bike

Thanks.

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Hey Blake,

It goes like this. I have a perfect FULL HP out of the crate. Once I cause a code at the dash, it is a sign that says to repair the fault that the dash light has now displayed. This displayed light has now caused the bike to lose a percentage of Full.

I mean to be dis and respectful at the same time. ASS far as I know, you will be on a Full bike... I'm going to stomp your ass on a FULL bike. That more says; I read the book, but I follow the sheepeep and I scream the laugh at it. No disrespect to the concept, but this more slaps you on the back of the head to say, WATTHE fuck the FULL were you thinking, dealing wit day 'more airs?'

Day are going to fill up that bag of shit on your bike... I leave my bike alone. You know what I call mine? Bulletproof. You know watt I call theirs? Proof the limp. [Proof of << PROOF] Poof! Ho, high ya doing on the, did you just call me out on your Full? I pack nothing on my bike but FULL.

I'll trade you too OO's for 2 LL's

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The deal on the Akrapovic was amazing that is why I went with them. Also the PC V was part of the same purchase for $725.00 brand new.

When/if you install your slip ons you're going to find out about the decel pop! A condition typical to the zx-14. Basically on deceleration excess fuel find its way to your pipe and POP! Sometimes you can even see flames coming out. Don't worry though it's harmless lol
There is two kind of TRE's and I think you won't like them. Why? Because they lock your gear indicator. One get your flies to open sooner and therefore gives your more power, earlier. That TRE locks 6th gear.
The other TRE diminish the effect of decel pop and locks Neutral.
Now when it comes to TRE's, there is 2 schools of thought lol One is lead by Hub and the other one... We're going to say Kruz or Romans lol
Basically, Hub says that since a TRE hijack the ECU and forces it to run in a default mode, the gains that are produced from it are questionable. On the other hand Kruz, Romans and several others are loving their TRE's. Try the search icon and judge for yourself!

Please explain further. If installing a T.R.E mod is a bad thing please let me know. The last thing I want to do is wreck this bike

lol, you're not insulting... Hub speak in Hubish, half of the forum don't get it. I was like you at first but I'm improving lol
You won't mess your bike up with a TRE, or slip ons. Just make sure you get a good map! Just run her stock for a while to see exactly what needs an overhaul.

* Last updated by: dragking on 1/28/2012 @ 10:42 PM *

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Fool! You expect me to spell it out for you?

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How come I can't speak, drag? I have to drag it out. You said it short and sweet... A clean, crisp map just adds flavor to that setup. Like you said... She has multi-flavors. You can tune this so many way till Flydays.

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Blake is just really polite I bet he had the same reaction I had when I got introduced to Hubish
At first I thought I lost my cognitive ability...

A clean, crisp map just adds flavor to that setup. Like you said..

Ouch another $300. Playing Madoff with the family funds is getting old lol... 3 more things and I'm done...

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The tre sets that code like I said. One wire is fed data to that wire and that is conjunction with the subs. The other gear position sensor wire, goes to the dash and locks the 6th gear at your display window.

Here is the problem if you short the two wires out:

1. Subs Removed: I am a subthrottle wire. Limp me, I drag the flies closed. I must have the sub plates removed. Notice the Full kicking in, I said, "you have to remove the plates close down to full. Don't give me that Full. I am at full, my subs will nose dive you over the bars it air brakes that bad. Hatsay FULL LIMP!

2. Subs Remain: I lock down 6th dash pod. It says code or I have a limp. Though I feel fine, have a spunky bottom, I'm back to a Full.

3. No turning back: I don't want to hurt me ride. I remove sub screws, I can bust a head off. Now what? WOT if this is not as smooth, way too, I almost hit someone on the bump my wrist [let alone] just riding that twitch in subless. I was used to my other stock way. Now I know why there are the twitchers and the stockers.

If we stick with the gear position sensor wire for wire:

Subless Full-Fulled: This to me is the best setup. Once you remove the subs, hack this wire, she is very smooth. It has to be explained by others on their choice of hits. With this limp, the N comes on in the dash.

6th Locked: This wire is used with subs in place. Again, wait for the feedback. I've taken mine off, getting ready to trade up or not. I can say what little I remember? This one is a tiny bit of a, Robustwitchy feel to it. This is the get up and go'her on the short leash. We have different methods of handling each system.

Without going too, wherever it goes, we don't need to go that deep. All we want is some pep added. I mean, the 14 is a limp compared to the R. But the R is new territory with the subs and the K-liftskid. And that is a 4th dimension that I have no idea until I begin my hacking into the systems to see if you are about to limp something?

Being new to this, you follow the tune by the N or the 6. Call those two wires your tuning wires to limpsville. LOL

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Yeah, this is just one bad game after the other... Tuning tools cost one tool at a time. I'd keep that stock header for the crossovers.

I have no clue what Brock's pipes look like when you all call those out. It may be one tube down down to the header. That is more flat out drag, full on all the time rpm. But for the street, look for the crossovers like the stockers. Since some are looking for a style, then cross. If you are strictly street, use cross. Going all out, use straight downs.

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WOW, WOW, All that information is definitely intense. I just want to say THANK-YOU to both Hub and dragking. You two guys have made my decision clear. I am aborting the whole concept of removing the butterflies and the T.R.E. mod. There is no way I want to go through all that B.S. and at the end of it all....F@*$ing up a perfectly amazing motorcycle. I will have the Arkrapovic Carbon slip-ons installed strictly for exhaust note and appearance with the PC V setup for the slip-ons and a K&N OEM replacement air filter. THAT IS IT! I am so glad I had this opportunity to discuss this over with someone who really knows this motorcycle. If I had F@*$ed up my dream bike right out of the hole, I would have bashed my head off a wall. Thank-you so much again. As I had said earlier, you guys and this forum ROCK. If I ever had the opportunity to actually meet with you guys in person, the first thing I would do is shake your hand. Then I would buy you a beer... or six. CHEERS

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Blake, I'll take a harder position, you tell me how much less you did to that bike, how much more you need to watch the tools dig themselves a grave off the bike.

De-amazing bike the glaze over:

1. Air cleaner - Worse thing you can do ~ runs semi-pinch-of a-lean, I'm changing my pipe? I don't need to add more micro chunks heading down the intake port. This adds up to, 'score my bore.' Let me cut out the puzzles of poof, the amazing increase in hp, you just etched the shit in the micro-bore of it. The loss of compression of it. The sheep, the follow the sheep to the score my bore down to a lower compression down the road I followed the crowd, not the turtle. Buy the shinning skin-skin of it, my hand went over the top of my hand of it. WOT DID HE SAY?

2. PISSea 5: Look at how pissed off you'll get, someone has to cut into an amazing wire, they still do not get the wire cut into the balance. The electronics is a balance, raise your hand is why a toaster has a balanced build. Could you cut into that wire and now, attach WATT 2 it? Again, you followed a cut wire that says, stay the @#$&&(*, do the @$^%@$& do you stay out of me wires or me fires the fry it up... I cut one wire > No offense, you are so in the catch22 of the 2 or a second choice is you are the sheep? Sheep on it and wake up in the morning. Cha-ching? I need that mess0-shit of a sheep shit? On my bike? And now do WOT with it? Beat who? You're kidding yourself. It's street for street or here we go, I need a map amazing. Your next post IS? Ass if I don't shove it down your throat each time a post is made, I post did I toast did it.

3. TRE: One more time he said to me; why you cut into me? Why you sheep sheering look what you amaze to faze to fade out of your wallet was a badream. You slept like a sheep, you woke up all whatever under that sheets. Your business, I don't wanna know about it, T Reat iT gen Till E, quit cutting the fuck out of me! Bad boy! All that cutting and you think you can beat it to the 5 points, someone cheats with all dis?

4. ACToe: As if the pipe will make you faster. One big myth. Step back! Did he finally find something he could bite into? No rat chewing on his wires [it] dis way. Not, you gotta pull the air cleaner out and fuck it. I want all the microns I can find! Amazing will take it down with you. WOThe fuck did I do to Amazing? Slow far, I etched the walls down from an amazing 220 if I left the bike alone and just serviced the intervals. Fuckwith the amazing OEM that designed them from day one? No, I won't list then to turtle. I know it is richer the more you whack it up, it's amazing how they thought you'd do that, pipe me up?

5. Amazing! It is amazing how many piles of shit are out dare following the turtle. Absolute WEE-WEE amazing, I better sheer a sheep when I buy mine too. You've got to be kidding me if I listhen the, how did you say it? The Fuck to you! You amazing sheep you!

I'm going to fuck mine up right outhe crate. No, I'm going to assemble mine like it looked like it almost came out of a crate when I'm done wit that he ended wit a pee wee ID

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And you wonder why I choose only the subjects I know.

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Ok Hub, So I think I am actually starting to follow you but WOW it takes some concentration. Your telling that even a K&N air filter is bad and don't even install aftermarket mufflers. I can see the reasoning behind the K&N possibly allowing more micro particles into the intake. I my experience if you perform regular maintenance including removing the K&N OEM replacement air filter, clean it in warm soapy water and use the proper air filter spray then this filter works as good as a stock filter in catching dust and debris but also allows for the intake to let more clean air into the combustion chamber. I have been using K&N filters since 1984 on my first motorcycle without any adverse side affects.

As far as the aftermarket exhaust goes, again I have had experience in using aftermarket exhaust on all my motorcycles. As we all know the faster you get the air/fuel mixture into the engine and the exhaust gasses back out, the more H.P. that is created. The engine is just a Hi Tech pump.

The trick to all of this in my humble opinion is to find a suitable balance between performance and reliability where you can maximize the enjoyment of your ride without bringing it home in a box. As much of a newbie I am with this particular motorcycle I have tried and tested some performance enhancements on multiple motors Four stroke and Two stroke.

Thanks again. This is all good knowledge.

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The trick to all of this in my humble opinion is to find a suitable balance between performance and reliability where you can maximize the enjoyment of your ride without bringing it home in a box.

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Ok Hub, So I think I am actually starting to follow you but WOW it takes some concentration.

Concentration, baby! TT out of there or I'll spin you like a top. Kind of like going thru 37 miles of brick wall and tree, thinking nothing else butd geTThru it.

Your telling that even a K&N air filter is bad and don't even install aftermarket mufflers.

The opposite. No on filters, yes on pipes.

I can see the reasoning behind the K&N possibly allowing more micro particles into the intake. In my experience if you perform regular maintenance including removing the K&N OEM replacement air filter, clean it in warm soapy water and use the proper air filter spray then this filter works as good as a stock filter in catching dust and debris but also allows for the intake to let more clean air into the combustion chamber. I have been using K&N filters since 1984 on my first motorcycle without any adverse side affects.

Micro = See with a scope, i.e., microscope. Micron = Sea witheyes. I run K&N's with an OEM backup. I pull the OEM, I see the backup, the K&Not catch. Catch my drift you drift from the turtle? We are down to no aftermarket WATT & WOT soever from the long preserving tune. See, no one can tell the linear of the drop in compression. But if you swap bikes with a higher compression and compare? I think you might see a slight, and ever so slight bump.

As far as the aftermarket exhaust goes, again I have had experience in using aftermarket exhaust on all my motorcycles. As we all know the faster you get the air/fuel mixture into the engine and the exhaust gasses back out, the more H.P. that is created. The engine is just a Hi Tech pump.

Correct. So, that says a clean WOT out of the pipe:

A/C = No! Big time no. OEM, yes, ever the best. It is all about the microns you can't see that do the micro-etching. That is a line that was not there on the ring. Would you agree, under severe pressure, would not that air run down the score line at the ring and wall? Yes. It is now two sides gouged out. Once the air no longer pushes in one direction, being the out against the wall is there. That is not the problem. The X to Y push of the air now. X is the push out to the wall. Y is the score mark(s) down the ring/cylinder is no one listens to turtle.

The trick to all of this in my humble opinion is to find a suitable balance between performance and reliability where you can maximize the enjoyment of your ride without bringing it home in a box. As much of a newbie I am with this particular motorcycle I have tried and tested some performance enhancements on multiple motors Four stroke and Two stroke.

And you should know how much less you did, the less boxes needed. I think we can or I sure can agree, I would install the fast air clogger out of the bag. I would leave the balance in the bike both internally is that air in. We are messing with air out. We can't hurt the already spent out the pipe. We are going to move it along faster. We are going to let the Y stay the fuck out of the bike or Y know one listens to turtle soupee sure beats the healing the bike later down the road with a top end rebuild. I just had to have that air cleaner mod.

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Ok Hub, You got my attention. I'm actually hearing you. This is what I'm getting from your posts here in a nutshell. Leave the motor alone. It is perfect right from the factory. Everything from the exhaust ports north to the air box is golden. If you want to ad an aftermarket pipe go ahead but it's not necessary. Stop f@#$ing with perfection. Kawasaki has this motor pegged. Am I close? Do I hear you correctly? Am I on the right track? When you mention the turtle, are you referring to you meaning that your bike is stock with maybe a pipe but that's it?

Thanks again Hub. You got me thinking on this one.

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Welcome to the board,where a bouts are you I'm in north toronto

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Blake,

You read it exactly how I said it. So, no matter how confusing things were... They sound pretty sound with the logic and the effect of that modding there of. When you can flaunt and brag around here that your 183 psi vs. my 220... The sheep will except 183... Turtle listens to no one as no one will listen to turtle and now live with your 183 piss in your eye.... Let me clear your lens IS.

You retinal refused to listen, ear the evil engine note, speak then engine sound of silence. All for that modshit. The OEM is designed to seal the thing up. Aftermarket does not need to exceed manufacturer... Just sell it to the squids. HURRY!

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I only choose threads that I know. I run a pure show. Top of the heap = #1.

1st Place = Turtle races in the pure ~ Open book so we are all even up we sit on the same page.
1st Place = No WON list INN's to turtle because I walk the talk.
1st Place = You made the place, I'm just running in the pack.
1st Place = I just answer a question with quality, not quantity gotta say, whatever you want, ain't my say. I had my say
1st Place = I stayed pure ass being an ass and so kiss my as, you told me dissing them would not work on the net.
1st Place = I never laughed so hard getting to first place.
1st Place = I keep laughing it up, as you ruin the pure is of pure.
1st Place = If I were on that rotation, I'd probably win 4 more points is points.
1st Place = Just happened to historically slap me in the face.
1st Place = In my mind, I ran pure 3 times is the charm.
1st Place = You can't take it away from me, I will it because I chose the pure yeast infection I only think about beating the fuck out of your bike is??????

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Your choice. I bring fact after fact of the pure IS my baby's breath... Dis old breath... You'll keep your distance or I'll breath on you heavy! The breath of

Touch the pure... Back of the class ass!

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Blake,

I said to one of the members of the race site, here is how that race bike pee forum'd when what's his name came up to me and said that; the only superbike that when you crest over 7, the front wheel locks. After they read the hub dis of the english lang which was when those classics come out and I could write a book just on those...

Somewhere half way through reading that for the second time trying to sort it, my brain blew the wax out of my left ear

Condensed milk it for all it's worth.

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Hub, You Rock buddy. Thank-you again. It's your unique approach to these posts that has me thinking clearly on how I need to take care of the Awesome. Protect the Awesome at all costs. Don't let anything near the Awesome. Protect the 220. Keep the beast pure and the beast will keep you pure. Wow, now I'm talkin the talk. Go figure. I feel like I just graduated from the school of HUB.

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Hello darryl, I'm an hour east of Oshawa, Belleville area. Do I read your info correctly, you have two 14s?

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I just bought the 2012,My son will be taking over my 07 less the BST rims.We have a member in Markham who has two 14's one has a turbo,I believe he may have or is in the process of buying a third one,the poor guy.What dealer did you buy from?

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