Anyone have pics of the bottom connection of the brake lever/rearset/master?

After thinking the clearance measurement through, it occurred to me that the height of the pegs and the length of the pegs I measured earlier is an indication of cornering clearance but the true measure would be to find the distance from the center line of the tires to the bottom, outer tip of the peg. What I discovered is that the ground clearance is irrelevant on the right side of the bike because the pipe will drag before the peg ever comes close to touching. I know this to be a fact. I have dragged my pipe but never touched a peg.

I will measure the left side difference another day. It is very difficult to measure. There is suspension load and tire pressure to consider as well as overall payload on the bike. Also, the pipe being in the way makes it impossible to measure accuartely on the right side. Actual experience would be the only definite way to determine clearance. My guess is that with the folding action of the OEM pegs they will prolly give as good clearance as the Vortex. I imagine you would have low sided if you ever folded an OEM that far or touched a Vortex at highest setting.

on side stand, OEM measured from center line to outer bottom of peg ~19" exhaust interferes with measurement

Votex peg measured in the same way looks pretty close to same measurement......

...however, you can see the difference in the bend of the tape measure. Shows the Vortex is tucked in and out of the way more. impossible to measure at all precisely on the exhaust side.

* Last updated by: Rook on 1/1/2014 @ 4:21 PM *

Hey Rook have you figured out away to tarnish them yet May be we could store them in a smoking lounge then clear coat the nicotine

Yo Rook...is that a lean scrape I'm seein on your Cannon?Good job...ya...you WILL need those Vortex's afterall!

* Last updated by: blue07 on 5/30/2011 @ 3:49 PM *

cclear coat the nicotine

LOL! Still very glad I quit!

Yo Rook...is that a lean scrape I'm seein on your Cannon?

The lean scrape is much lower. You can't see at this size in the pics but the lean scrape is right on the spring eye catch where the pipe turns to go under the bike. I have pics....see. I have pics of everything!

That is gonna scrape before the peg.

Here we have some beauty shots of the new Vorti

* Last updated by: Rook on 1/1/2014 @ 4:37 PM *

They look great!Hmmmm....still.....yer leanin WAY farther than I would!You racer you!Ya...I checked out yer rear tire pics there...I did.(what ya can see anyway).No chicken strips...ya....and that tread there is gettin worked pretty good into the sidewall.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 5/30/2011 @ 5:43 PM *

I have never gotten rid of the left CS. The right is down to ~1/4 after tonights ride. The asphalt is nice and hot and the tires get nice and tacky. Now that I see the pipe is going to drag on the right, I am going to have to try to lean harder to the left. Only problem is there are a lot less left turns on the road as you know. I came screaming through my fav S curve on ramp a few times tonight. One time I happened upon a dude on a liter bike or a 600 coming down the expressway with his hot little honey on the back. Was sort of funny to me because you would expect him to be nailing the curves and pull up to me on the highway......and I would certainly be lucky to have a hot honey like he had on the back of my bike.

Only problem is there are a lot less left turns on the road as you know.

You need to get out of the city.

THOSE are your Wisconsin "curves"?OMG...ya got nothin!!!!!I see what ya mean.Geez.These roads in the yellow circle are FILLED with big sweepers and fast curves.WAY awesome.The pic definitely doesn't do em justice.They ARE sweet!My town...right there at the Blue Cross.You can see it only takes me a few miles to get to the big stuff.Glacier Park is right up and to the right...FULL of serious sweepers.And the same with MOST of the "outlying" roads coming out of my town there.Gotta be ridden to be appreciated..you won't have much fun ......on a HARLEY however...too much work tryin to figure out "how" to lean without highsidin!ZX14 heaven Baby!(J/K about the Harleys...they're all over the place here during the summer months).They certainly don't try to keep up with the big Ninja though...just too much for em!WHEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.mdt.mt.gov/travinfo/map/mtmap_frame.htmlRemember...every one of those squiggly little lines are a curve.NOT straights.You can get a even BETTER look at these roads by using Google Earth,and punchin in Kalispell.From there,you go to all points out of Kalispell...Eureka,Libby,Glacier Park.ETC ETC.Nice satellite views of these roads here.I encourage everyone to get here and ride.Check out "beartooth hwy"....awesome,just awesome.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 5/31/2011 @ 2:00 AM *

Has anybody tried the Gilles I've got a great deal on them and wonder if I should LEAN that way

dragking, I mulle over the various brands of rearsets for the 14 a few times over the last two years. Seemed like Sato was the only one that published the distance the pegs could be raised/lowered/moved forward/back. Vortex seemed to be the brand with the highest and farthest back position From what I had been told by owners and they also have replaceable parts where that might be a problem with other brands. Finally, Vortex is the most common. I believe it is a sound practice to follow the heard when it comes to modding. The Gilles look really lighter weight and visually, they are more appealing than most other reasets, IMO.

When you come upon the unexplained and unexplainable in your quest for aftermarket parts, it is bets to save your $ or go with the crowd. That's why I went with Vortex.

* Last updated by: Rook on 6/2/2011 @ 8:51 AM *

Has anybody tried the Gilles I've got a great deal on them and wonder if I should LEAN that way

Never seen Gilles rearsets on a zx14... wanna trade for my Vortex's? I woulda went with the Gilles, if I hadn't scored such a sweet deal on my Vortex's... ANYTHING Gilles is topnotch!

yeah I got them in the 300 range which is what vortex r goin for! or we could just exchange bikes to save time

yeah I got them in the 300 range which is what vortex r goin for

Smokin' deal! Link?

we could just exchange bikes to save time

Race for pinks?... j/k... I'm old, fat, slow and don't wanna lose my baby.

lol My buddy who's 6 6 couldn't find a right pos. for is long legs and inst. Buell's instead, sold them to me for 300... and I gave him 290 now that's friendship or... extortion. The cheapest I have found were 429 or 479 on adrenalinemototoys.

* Last updated by: dragking on 6/7/2011 @ 3:40 PM *

I am about to install my gilles, could anyone tell me what's the best position regardless of comfort. I am asking this because this morning I was taking a left turn at about 30 miles an hour and scrapped the top of my boot!!! Bad technique/body position or are the stocker too low? I was gna put the gilles about 1 inch higher and further back hoping it'll be good enough to allow for knee down!!! Plus I wanna make sure the rearsets don't touchdown before my knee does since they are not flexible!!!

I was taking a left turn at about 30 miles an hour and scrapped the top of my boot!!! Bad technique/body position or are the stocker too low?

dragking, I have my Vortex' set up and back as far as they will go. I'm about 210 lbs and I am scraping my pipe worse but I don't think my pegs have come close yet. I was at the track last month and wore the rear tire out to the edge but never touched a peg. If you have a whole inch to raise the pegs, I'm gonna guess that will do it for you.

For me, I am trying to hang off more and lean the bike less. The 14 is pretty low compared other sportbikes.

Height of pegs is not the only thing that impacts clearance for leaning. The Votex rearsets stick out over an inch and a quarter less than OEM pegs. That makes them a lot less likely to touch. Pics of this on page 1 of this thread.

thanks for the reply rook!

I am trying to hang off more and lean the bike less.

I am scraping my pipe worse but I don't think my pegs have come close yet.

* Last updated by: dragking on 7/9/2011 @ 10:54 PM *

Aren't you knee suppose to touch down before the pipe? Then maybe not on our bikes, cause those pros have elevated bikes with rearsets and pipes mounted super high!

Probably has a lot to do with body size/shape as well as bike config. I have seen posts of others showing pics of scraped pipes.

I have short legs fo my height so I have a longer way to go before I touch a knee puck. Also, I see in my vids that I could hang off ~5x as much than I am doing. Feels like I am hanging off a lot more than I really do.

As I wrote in the PM, dragking, IMO the lean of the bike is a lot more of a factor in producing the necessary mechanical effects to counteract the centrifugal force that wants to highside a two wheeled vehicle in a corner. Recently heard even sport cars have suspensions that "lean" (off camber) the the wheels when they corner to help maintain stability. The shifting of weight is a factor but in the hardest of cornering, hanging off is not going to cut it. You see the pics of guys on a track almost flat to the ground, dragging elbow and knee??? There is not enough room between the side of the bike and the pavement for anyone to hang off. It's all leaning and the knee/elbow touch is just to help maintain stability and feel any feedback from the pavement.

I don't have much hope of ever laying the 14 over that far. I've gone about as far as i can go with scraping the zaust now and all I can do is maybe hang off to avoid this. IDK if I can go any faster through the sharpest corners------unless they are left handers----no muffler over there.

* Last updated by: Rook on 7/10/2011 @ 11:45 AM *

Thanks Rook you answered all my questions. The gilles pegs are pretty short also. I agree with you dragging a knee depend on so many factors, rider body type and flexibility, type of exhaust, suspension and of course skills. I took another curve pretty hard today at about 60 mph and I definitely felt the suspension give up at one point and when you factor in uneven pavement it's no wonder that my boot touched down last time. Have had proper body position the left peg would have had about 1 1/2 in clearance with is definitely not enough. I may be veering off topic but... Where you able to have fun at the track given that the 14 doesn't corner as hard as a litre bike?
There is a video on you tube called dragging knee on the zx 14... if I can do that with my current setting or ct duals at about 80 miles an hr I'll be a happy camper if not I gna have to go shopping for a track bike and my wife is not gna like that. lol . thanks again Rook.. great thread!

Where you able to have fun at the track given that the 14 doesn't corner as hard as a litre bike?
There is a video on you tube called dragging knee on the zx 14... if I can do that with my current setting or ct duals at about 80 miles an hr I'll be a happy camper if not I gna have to go shopping for a track bike and my wife is not gna like that. lol .

I was in the novice class. The bottom of the barrel--LOL. Where you go when you suck--lol. Actually, if it is your first track day, you must start out in Novice class and that is probably the way it works at all tracks in general. You can ask to go up to intermediate once you have proven yourself which means your form is good and you are hitting all the markers close enough. Honestly, I was fastest of the Novice class. I was a couple seconds ahead of everyone (I guess--I saw them pass by a couple seconds later when I went off the track lol) because I wanted to go fast instead of learn the track. As long as I rode it balls out, I could stay in front of everyone and to me that was FUN that day. The way to do it is to learn the track first and then go fast. BUt I did it backwards. It was fun though. I was a bad ass. The next time I go, I think I will focus on hitting the markers. Maybe get closer to moving up in class.

Once I DO move up, I doubt I will be fastest any more. Not on the 14, not without a LOT of practice. Move up to the upper two levels and I'm sure the tables will turn 180 degrees. The 14 will be a few seconds behind the smaller bikes just like in the mag tests done a 3 years ago. That is ONLY a few seconds and I never thought that would matter to me but now I see that couple seconds differently when it comes to cornering speed. If a higher, lighter, shorter bike can make it through a corner at 60 instead of 40, that is a significant change and I for one would think it worth while to own it for track use.

It has occurred to me that hitting the markers at the track is not something I have aimed to do on the street in the exact same way. The markers are located usually right at the outside edges of the track on the entrance and the exit. The apex marker is right at the inside edge of the track. The edge of the road is something I avoid getting REAL close to on the street. That is where all the nails and gravel and other road crap ends up getting deposited not to mention, that is where you are going to get off and hit a telephone pole or go into a ditch. The track is always clean and the unmovable objects are removed. So the street has taught me some bad habits for the track.

.....take your 14 to the track and enjoy. It can go fast. I saw the instructor ahead of me and he was leaning pretty hard but the rest of the pack was smelling our brakes. If you really seriously want to go fast, you will find the 14 is out of the safety zone a bit quicker than a smaller bike. I can't wait to try Road America which is a faster track. Still would love to have a little screamer.

----To give an opinion on your knee down hopes, I would say dragging knee on an 80 mph corner is a lot more easy than a 40 mph corner. The slowest corner at the track I was at was so sharp, I would not even think of trying to lean myself and the bike that hard that I needed to drag a knee. That would be overkill IMO and inviting scraping hard parts. I would expect to advance in level before i ever got that fast on such small corners. 80-120mph corners, I can hang off and the speed is enough that the bike needs that and it feels much more predictable even though the style is 10x more extreme.

* Last updated by: Rook on 7/14/2011 @ 10:58 AM *

I sure wish we had old Stan back around here more often. He knows his way around a track even being a young feller.

Yeah it wil be my first track day, i'm shooting for early september. It's a little hard for me since I have been riding for only a little bit more than 1 year so I don't expect to be leading the novice pack lol I'm trying to get lots of info especially on rearsets postion so I can make the bike more manageable. Thanks for all the great info, I'm moving to Austin, TX next month and they have a lot of twisty roads I'll be able to practice on!

It's a little hard for me since I have been riding for only a little bit more than 1 year so I don't expect to be leading the novice pack lol I'm trying to get lots of info especially on rearsets postion so I can make the bike more manageable.

Sounds like you are thinking straight. I rode the 14 for 3 years and had pretty much done about as close to track riding as I could get on the street--but that is only in little jaunts, of course. I really felt pretty ready for the track I would have been intimidated to go myself after just one year so Good for you.

I don't think the equipment makes a huge difference for us beginners. With a little experience, a bike that is better suited to track riding (modded 14 or smaller bike)will probably go faster for you. The expert class is where equipment matters a lot. They are all so highly skilled that they can use the bike and mods to their fullest. It makes more sense for those guys to have a perfect track bike than it does for a novice, IMHO.

I'm moving to Austin, TX next month and they have a lot of twisty roads I'll be able to practice on!

You should hook up with Kruz. He knows some good roads. Just be really careful. Totally get a taste for how the cops operate before you do sport riding on the street. I think Kruz told me Austin was horrible for speed traps.

don't think the equipment makes a huge difference for us beginners.

I think Kruz told me Austin was horrible for speed traps.