I don't have to plead my case....that rant was directed at HUB....you saw what he was sayin to me...BEFORE I ever let loose.You think using some swear words is some sort of unforgiveable sin or something?You wouldn't agree with me to save your life...I don't need you to.Right is right,wrong is wrong.Clearly you sit on the fence with your 'opinions'...think I care?I don't.This was NEVER HUB's private site....like Danno said....excellent observation.He's gone cause the powers that be realized he was WAY overboard.They read mine also...I didn't get a pass.That's it with this.Ya wantta see 'rant'...take a trip to the Smackhouse...check it out...Hub's thread there.Then tell me I'm 'out of control and should be gone'...pages and pages of tearing this place down....calling names....ranting on about how 'mistreated he is'...shit man....hell...he's YOUR bud...go see him.

everybody knows if you ride too much your penis won't work anyway. The final word in the "Does Size Really Matter" quandary.

Sheesh...then I must be ridin WAY too much!Tell ya the truth...sometimes my dick gets completely numb when I'm ridin.Weirdest feeling there is!Tryin to push it back in place there...without being able to feel itLOL!!!

"Does Size Really Matter"...apparently...guess mine's too damn big!!!ROFL.I forgot to mention....I'm sittin 'mid saddle'when this deal happens .

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....hell...he's YOUR bud...go see him.

I never said he was my bud, just said he doesn't bother me. I don't really want to go over to Bikeland, maybe he's saying terrible things about me, so what? I'll just laugh, once again, this is not real life..... it's only the internet.

Clearly you sit on the fence with your 'opinions'...think I care?

Why should I take sides in these petty arguments when there's clearly enough blame to go around? I just agree with some of the others comment, if you're going to ban Hub, why stop there?

I didn't see the posts that brought on the banishment and it's just as well. I DID think Hub was starting to sound more civil and logical of late and I assumed someone in authority had given him an ultimatum of play nice or leave. I haven't gotten that vibe from anyone else around here. Just because you (or I) disagree with someone, that's no excuse to get personal. I have friends whom I can give no end of shit and it's all in good fun, but you have to get to know someone before you can cross that line.

Me neither. I'm not defending Hub, he did his dirt and he's paying the price. However, just the post that Kruz linked tells a lot about Green's neurosis. I got a headache just from reading the title of that thread Kruz lol
I've voiced my opinion already, no need to stir more stuff up. Ladies and gents, let's move on!

This is a problem on many forums. Some people don't seem to get it, that just because someone disagrees with you, or says something you don't like, you don't get a free pass to personally attack them, call them names, and so forth.

For sure none of them ever did college-level debate where you learn to use logic, fact, and never to personally denigrate your opponent, because then you automatically lose.

Many of them can't hold down jobs because they keep getting fired. Wonder why.

"This is a problem on many forums"...professional trolls are the problem..not guys disagreeing with each other.Trolls grow nice and healthy ...when everyone 'thinks' it's entertainment..and allows it to destroy things.

4 years College here...Human services and Drug/Alcohol counseling major. Straight "A's...I have a job.In case you might be wondering.

"Green's neurosis"...how many years did you study psychology there Drag?.Social behaviors...all that good stuff.Ya'll want to let it go....then let it go.I'm here...been here from the beginning.Not intending to leave just because of a few resentful people.

Ya better know how to communicate when yer doin this....

Or THIS>>>>>

Or, you can buy a program that does this for you . This tool lets you change your IP anytime by routing your Internet traffic through overseas servers. A small dropdown box appears on your Internet browser toolbar with a list of 15 foreign countries. Select one and your IP address will change so that you appear to be located in that country. You can quickly jump back and forth between the 15 locations around the world.

Neurotic?I don't think so.Welcome to the 21st century...the internet...where you can be anyone you want...even a 14 owner in 'Istanbul' with a 'tech' question.

This technology ALSO applies to rerouting ip's within a country.....HELLO???????

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But at the end of the day we as individuals can eschew the rants of others... even the ones directly aimed at a particular individual. No one here has a keyboard or an IP strong enough to wound unless you bestow that power upon the assailant.

Yup...very true...I think another member on another forum said it best..."the problem with ignoring a troll is...even if you don't respond...they will enter threads at will and make things miserable for those who really are trying to get some answers"....their removal and memory has to be done...no amount of cajoling with a professional troll...appeasement,or ignoring will stop one.It's their kick...their life.

Bringing up 'instances' are what the troll likes...even if he's gone...he still gets a thrill out of 'being remembered' and talked about.If he can't get in to muck things up....he can still 'get in' by others talking about him or accusing other people around them for 'being the reason'......

IMO...anyone who is on ANY forum and states their desire to destroy it and every member's post...whatever that post may be...maybe personal...maybe one guy helping another...whatever...I think that person ought to be dealt with...however he chooses to accept the 'rules' or not.Tell ya what...I wouldn't let some person come in MY house if I knew he hated my guts....nuff said now on my end.To me...it's been resolved and cleared out.And not just because "I 'got' to stay"....

Danno wrote...something entirely different...but the RESULTS are the same...just substitute'those on top' with TROLL...and 'on the bottom' with members.

"those of us at the bottom sniping at each other is just what those at the top want"...think about it....next time you 'think' a TROLL is entertainement...for HIM maybe.

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Hold on just a minute, you calling Hub A troll? Hub dedicated a good portion of his life to this forum to help make it what it is today.

I don't call that being a troll.

"to help make it what it is today"...and just WHAT is that?....go ahead...tell us what this site is today.

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The greatest ZX14 forum on the Internet, much of the credit must go to Hub, he is an icon, a living legend. Even though 90% of his message was garbled, the last 10% helped a lot of folks solve their tech problems. Losing Hub was a tragedy of the first order, he will be missed.

...much of the credit must go to Hub, he is an icon, a living legend.

Agreed. For those of us who took the time to decipher his posts, there was usually a lot of good technical assistance there. He made you work for it, but it was worth it. -bg

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"The greatest ZX14 forum on the Internet"...not according to him...this place is the dumbest bunch of bike guys that ever walked the Earth....just sayin.I'm not now nor have I ever demeaned ANY of his advice....nobody else has either that I've ever read...the worst I've ever read is "hey...speak English...I don't get it".Far cry from.."hey,asshole...go sit down and shuuddup ya jerkoff...fuck you and yer mother too".(sorry)

I don't want to keep this thing going.Just about everyone who's been here for any length of time has helped other members a lot.THAT's a fact.Whether it was trying to figure out how to adjust a lamp beam...or whatever.HUB did not have exclusive rights or skills to be running others down.It has no place here...nobody likes it.Do they?So he has a unique way of 'explaining things'...some say..."having to 'work' to 'figure it out'....okay..fine....I never had any problem with his way of saying stuff.I understood MOST of it.If I didn't,I didn't start dissing him for his 'instructions style". He didn't like me asking for clarification..I can tell ya that..Big difference between...having answers in Clingon(which is FINE)...and attacking others who have answers as well(which is NOT okay).BIG DIFFERENCE.

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Thank you for clearing that up for me.

Kofla

NINJA ZX-14 MotoVlog

Kruz says...."he is an icon, a living legend"....LOLOL!!!Yer not doin so bad yerself there Kruzerman!!LOLOL!!!!!

C'Mon Brutha;)......it's 'JUST a forum'...remember?LOL!!!(Cigar anyone?)I'm having one right now...thanks.

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"an icon, a living legend"
That's putting it on a little thick. Yes he knows his stuff, helped a lot of people, but it takes a lot more than that to make a living legend, at least in my eyes. His status with me dropped quite a bit over the last month or so.

Grn wrote:

Big difference between...having answers in Clingon(which is FINE)...and attacking others who have answers as well(which is NOT okay).BIG DIFFERENCE

Here ya go Grn, accuse Hub of attacking others and then you put this crap in your very next post attacking me?

What a two faced douche bag, if BG should have banned anyone, it should have been you! You are and always have been the real problem here Grn, that should be pretty apparent to anyone observing. Hub is gone now so what exactly is your excuse for the continuing bad behavior?

BTW, you know where you can stick your cigar!

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Lighten up Bro....you know...like ya told me...

HUB would be proud...seein ya go after meLOL!!!Yep....Daddy Muckraker and his boy wonder!!It's just a forum Kruzy...(I think that's how papa would say it?)Take a deep breath...remember.."it aint real life'..."these aren't people with real feelings here"....that's what ya said when the shit was flyin MY way....

"Hub is gone now so what exactly is your excuse for the continuing bad behavior?"..I have no excuse....I'm a BAAAAADD MAN......

"Momma didn't raise a quitter.....right?"...I KNEW IT!...you two ARE brothers!!!!

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The last 2 pages are why I am convinced BG didn't go far enough in the banning process.

"BTW, you know where you can stick your cigar!"

"What a two faced douche bag"....this is okay,right Priv.?,

So now you think he should have banned KRUZ?Hey....ride yer bike....post yer pics...and don't worry about me givin Kruz a little ribbin.It's all in fun...nobody's attacking Kruz or anyone else.I can't help it if you have no sense of humor.KRuz has clowned me plenty of times....you don't see me cursing his mom or his family or anything else even NEAR what was goin on...you know it...I know it...the whole forum knows it.Try lookin in the mirror and finding something silly about yourself....and make a bit of fun at your own expense...ya just might get what's goin on here.

Danno writes..."I DID think Hub was starting to sound more civil and logical of late and I assumed someone in authority had given him an ultimatum of play nice or leave. I haven't gotten that vibe from anyone else around here. Just because you (or I) disagree with someone, that's no excuse to get personal. I have friends whom I can give no end of shit and it's all in good fun, but you have to get to know someone before you can cross that line"....

key word(s) here....."I assumed someone in authority had given him an ultimatum of play nice or leave"....someone in AUTHORITY had to TELL him....and just why should THAT be?."I haven't gotten that vibe from anyone else around here"....someone with a real perspective on what's been goin down here of late..You don't like me OR BG...ya think he crossed ya when he didn't do a thing about moving posts to where YOU thought they should be....same old stuff with the punctuation....tellin people they don't know how to write 'correctly'....among other things.You didn't get yer way...and yer still angry about it.You don't like me...and we BOTH know why.And I don't care whether you like me.Your opinion of me means absolutely ZERO .Take a break...go laugh at yerself....or don't.You get to live with YOU...are ya happy about that?Think about it.

Yer friendly neighborhood bully is gone...no more worries about callin ya PRIVY anymore...isn't THAT something to be happy about?Take the blinders off...or not.

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The last 2 pages are why I am convinced BG didn't go far enough in the banning process.

+1000

+100,000,000,000 ;)

"BTW, you know where you can stick your cigar!"
"What a two faced douche bag"....this is okay,right Priv.?,...how come nobody can post about this here? My feelings are hurt...please...someone...ban these evil menLOLOL!!!!!

"The last 2 pages are why I am convinced BG didn't go far enough in the banning process"...ya...okay...now what?.Gonna bring it up everyday...???remember THIS KRUZ?want a hanky?

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