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Thread: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution

Created on: 02/04/17 11:53 AM

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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/11/17 11:01 PM

We have a lot of refugees without importing more.

Donald Trump is ok with importing more immigrants into the United States.

Donald Trump comments about Mexicans and Muslim immigrants expose a hypocritical double standard. In his own words, he does not see a problem with immigrants as long as they are from Europe. The fact is politicians play the race and religion card for votes.

In 2013, Trump explicitly called for European immigrants to be allowed into the United States. In his speech, blatantly spouted another one of his "alternative fact" lies where he claimed the 11 million illegals will vote democratic. lol

According to Trump, allowing European immigrants would help the republican party gain more votes.

Trump speech was and still is, heavily promoted in white supremacist sites like, Stormfront, The Daily Stormer and The White Genocide Project.

A person commented in one of those sites, and I quote:

"We need to deport ALL invaders/illegals and then close down all immigration from everywhere on the planet EXCEPT for European countries- exclusive to ONLY European/white peoples either in the north, south, east or west (and their ethnic kinsfolk in the colonies). Then as we grow we can bring our European population back up to about 90% where it should be. The US was intended as an Anglo Saxon protestant country.

In 2014, of the estimated 50,000 undocumented Irish living in the U.S., 10,000 of them in Boston, according to the Irish embassy in Washington, D.C., only 33 Irish were deported compared to nearly 177,000 Mexicans. "The number of deportations is relatively small," Irish ambassador Anne Anderson told NPR.

In 2016, the Department of Homeland Security estimated that 93,000 Canadians overstayed their visa, more than double the amount of Mexican overstays (42,000).


For Republicans worried that creating a path to citizenship for 11 million undocumented immigrants will simply create 11 million more Democratic voters, Donald Trump has a solution. Bring in more European immigrants.

Speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference outside of Washington, D.C., on Friday, Trump warned that Republicans are on a "suicide mission" if they support immigration reform, claiming that every single illegal immigrant will end up voting Democratic.

"When it comes to immigration, you know that the 11 million illegals, even if given the right to vote -- you know, you're gonna have to do what's right -- but the fact is, 11 million people will be voting Democratic," Trump said.

No matter how pro-active Republicans are on immigration reform, they're not going to win the votes of former illegal immigrants. "That's just the way it works, and you have to be very, very careful," Trump warned.

"You could say ... that you're on a suicide mission. You're just not going to get those votes," Trump said.

Trump then immediately segued into calling for allowing more immigration to the United States from Europe.

"Now I say to myself, why aren't we letting people in from Europe?" Trump continued. "Nobody wants to say it, but I have many friends from Europe, they want to come in."

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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/12/17 6:31 AM

In his own words, he does not see a problem with immigrants as long as they are from Europe.

I think the point is that if immigrants are European, they will probably assimilate into US culture pretty easily because the US is a culture based n European values.

The point has already been brought up that having villages of people with non European backgrounds and a high birth rate will create cities of non European US citizens. That spells disaster.

Haven't we learned yet?

We need some immigrants right now. If we don't need all of them, why would we take them. To be nice. I'm all for being nice but aren't just about out of nice by now? I'd say the US has given to the point of its own detriment. Now we are picking between outsiders and our own people when it comes to helping out.


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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/12/17 6:39 AM

US culture has always had violence, sickness, good people, bad people. I'll work with our own vices rather than allow another culture's sense of morality to overrun ours.



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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/12/17 10:40 AM

Rook, I guess you can't live in Silicon Valley. Here is the latest racial distribution of City of Cupertino (where Apple HQ is):

Explanation of the chart: Left hand #s are from 2000 and the right hand is from 2010 census.

This doesn't include Hispanic but they are only 3.6% (I bet there are many more outside of counting). White includes people from immigrants/work VISA people from Europe and Israel. In fact, this area has extremely high Jewish density next to NY. I don't understand why you feel "the point has already been brought up that having villages of people with non European backgrounds and a high birth rate will create cities of non European US citizens. That spells disaster." Cupertino is one of the safest cities in US even though it has large number of non European backgrounds.

Immigration is not a bad thing. This country was based on immigration. You were born here but your gran or great grand parents must have come from somewhere. As long as immigrants follow legal procedure to come in this country and respect laws and regulations in this country.


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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/12/17 11:12 AM

I have read so much here on this controversial subject and all have the right to their opinions.
However a couple of cold hard questions to those who believe in open boarders and please be honest with not me, but yourself.

What if most of the housing in your street or suburb was re designated as a permanent incoming immigration settlement.
Would you seriously be okay with that?
And what if this did happen and you decided you wanted to welcome these new arrivals by showing hospitality and integration by inviting one/some of them into your house as a sign of good will and acceptance?
However as soon as they arrived they began exhibiting personal cultural traits and beliefs not in line with yours such as treating your mother, wife, daughters and any female as inferiors and with complete disrespect? Plus also advising in no uncertain terms that your religion was completely unacceptable, and theirs was the only true faith.
What if you then asked them to refrain from this behaviour as it was not agreeable to you and your family, and they simply ignored you and persisted because they believed it was their religiously given right, even in your own home where you have your own rules and beliefs?
Would you then show them patience, understanding, allow them to stay, and try to integrate with them?
Or would you just ask them to leave?

Whether you consider this point well made or not, you obviously see where I am coming from.

I agree that in a perfect world we are all human beings and we should all try to help each other, especially when someone is in need.
But again another question.
How many defenceless, tortured, mistreated, persecuted and disadvantaged immigrants have YOU taken into YOUR own personal home?
Because if you have done this, you have 100% credibility to make every open boarders point you like.
But if you have not...
It seems to me that immigration supporters are first to say politically correct things such as "Its only right and humane to let immigrants in to assist them towards a better life", and "How can you turn your back on a human being in need?". But 99% personally do very little themselves towards this issue and simply expect the government/others to take care of it instead. And of course watch the reaction from the same people if these immigrants are placed in large numbers in their suburbs and communities.

Yes yes, I know. There will be strong reaction to this post. Perhaps something like "How inhumane and narrow minded" or "Not all immigrants are like this and we need to help". There might even be a smattering of personal abuse...
But again, did you honestly answer the above questions for yourself?

There is a thing called the real world and sometimes its not very pretty or fair.
Go to any animal shelter if you want to experience this first hand. There are so many innocent, mistreated, unwanted and abandoned animals desperate for a new home. Through no fault of their own, they will pay the ultimate price if they do not find one. Do they all find a nice new safe warm place to live?
No, they do not. The cold hard reality is most will be put down.
What is the answer? What can/should we do to help? Surely we can work this out.
But its still happening.
Some may say this is a poor analogy, but is it really?

This world can be so amazingly beautiful. And this world can also be as cold as ice.
That is not an opinion. That is a fact...


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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/12/17 1:27 PM

I'm not afraid of the "r" word any more. Anyone wants to call me a racists, go for it. I could care less any more. It is time to protect myself, my family, and my country.

Any immigrant that doesn't like this is more than welcome to go back where they came from or go find somewhere that agrees with their political views more than the direction this country is heading now.

President Donald Trump, I support you 100% please keep on keeping America safe. Don't let the naysayers sway you with their radical beliefs that truly are aimed at destroying our culture just to put into place some facists socialism dictatorship.

Yannih you make some great points, NIMBY. And thats the thing about the socialist liberals. Just like Al Gore who lives a rather lavish, polluting lifestyle, wants ME to sacrifice everything while he takes 8 showers a day, flies around in jets, and waste all kinds of electrical energy lighting up his estate. Hey, he can do that IF ALL OF US give up our zx14s, turn off our house lights, and don't water our lawns. See how it works?

You're right on. Anyone that's serious about this shit should be forced to house these immigrants in their own properties. How many would sign up for that? You're damn right.

Make America Great Again.


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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/12/17 3:43 PM

"Make America Great Again."


In my opinion, it is a matter of perspective. One of Donald Trump's biggest policy is his opposition to American companies manufacture their products overseas. However, Ivanka and Donald Trump's products are made in China, Honduras, Indonesia, Bangladesh and Vietnam. In fact, Ivanka's shoe factory is moving from China to Ethiopia. These countries pay slave wages, some even perpetuate forced labor among prisoners. They need to practice what they preach.

It would be best for our future generation if we put an end to the divisive rhetoric that stokes fear and feeds doom, and instead celebrate how great America already is.

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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/12/17 4:55 PM

Kofla - I don't care about the idiosynchrosies that exist. I'm not here to justify the trivialities of human existance.

If you want to talk about something that matters, like I said earlier, for illegal immigrants inside this country, or immigrants that want to come to this country to abuse social systems, break laws, harm people, instill their culture here instead of accepting ours, it is in their interest to find all these foibles and try to wedge their way into this country. It's like potheads and legalizing pot. Of course they think it should be legal, it's in their own interest to do so.

I'm all about accepting immigrants that will serve a purpose to benefit my country, that will immigrate legally and abide by our laws, and accept and adapt to our culture. I have no problem at all with anyone wanting to come here to acheive those goals.

Make America Great Again.

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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/12/17 6:28 PM

I don't understand why you feel "the point has already been brought up that having villages of people with non European backgrounds and a high birth rate will create cities of non European US citizens. That spells disaster." Cupertino is one of the safest cities in US even though it has large number of non European backgrounds.

Oldman, you set me straight on some facts in the recent past but I have to tell you, Cupertino is a horrible example if you are trying to use that as a model for the typical city with concentrated immigrant population.

I'm sure many of the people in Cupertino are employed by Apple and as you pointed out another time, the US requires immigrants to fill these jobs. These people contribute a great deal to our economy. It's pretty likely that being highly educated people, they are far more likely and motivated to adopt Western values than less educated individuals. For now, if all the US takes in are the best educated and most likely to contribute to our economy, I'm ok with that. That would probably weed out over 90% of all immigration.

The residents of Cupertino are not the immigrants I am concerned about destroying our culture. Have a look at the 60 Minutes video up there. Those are the immigrants I would be concerned about living here. Look at the riots in France and all across Europe. You don't really think the residents of Cupertino would behave this way, do you? i don't. I'd be happy if I could live among the residents of Cupertino.



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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/12/17 6:39 PM

I'm not afraid of the "r" word any more. Anyone wants to call me a racists, go for it. I could care less any more. It is time to protect myself, my family, and my country.

Vic, I don't think "racist" is quite the word. Xenophobe is probably a little closer. I'm with you. I'm afraid of too many immigrants coming into our country. I'm happy to have everyone we have here now regardless of their race.



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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/12/17 6:46 PM

Kofla - I don't care about the idiosynchrosies that exist. I'm not here to justify the trivialities of human existance.

If you want to talk about something that matters.....

I hear you, you made your point. We can agree to disagree and still be respectful.

I am more worried how our current administration is too friendly to Moscow, and the latest development that our National Security Adviser discussed American sanctions against Russia when he was still a private citizen. Apparently Mr. Flynn violated a law against private citizens engaging in diplomacy. In addition to Trump's potential conflicts of interest and alleged ties to Russia.

Personally, I believe Trump is over his head. And it is already obvious that, to Trump, draining the swamp means filling it, by nominating for cabinet positions Golden Sachs executives.

Unfortunately for Trump, he's building a cabinet that looks like it has the potential to be the most scandal-ridden in history. There are three potential scandals that can derail his presidency: public corruption, the Russian connections, and the truth about Melania's immigration story. Only time will tell.

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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/12/17 10:31 PM

Kofla, Is that all you have? She sure paid those taxes for working here. She sure was not demanding a handout and housing that burdens the citizens of the host country. Besides, she's a third world easterner this side of a western culture, not someone with a political agenda mixed with a cult like culture to go with the agenda. Yes or no, Kofla?

Silence means no comeback. What else do you have. See it yet? You may have been sucked into the camelpoopaygainday is they keep gaining days you don't figure it out. Remember how I sign off?

I think you are missing a history lesson on the repeat. Commievilles like empires come and go, but the perpetuation of that cult still lingers. The number of scientific publications vs. those holding the war book, does not mention one of those countries on uncle Donny's list and the ones he's missed. The cult does not, did not back then, need to survive on some latest gadget needing a wall socket to work. That war book works without batteries. Yes or no?

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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/13/17 2:04 AM

Kofla, Is that all you have? She sure paid those taxes for working here. She sure was not demanding a handout and housing that burdens the citizens of the host country. Besides, she's a third world easterner this side of a western culture, not someone with a political agenda mixed with a cult like culture to go with the agenda. Yes or no, Kofla?

Silence means no comeback. What else do you have.

Hub, I know this is a very sensitive issue for some people, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Remember her website bio where she listed her college degree? The page was removed after questions were raised. Her bio now suggests she did not complete a degree in Slovenia, ("paused her studies to advance her modeling career") as she previously claimed in her own website. If she lied about something so trivial as her college education, what else is she hiding?

It is easy to say she has been in compliance with the immigration laws, without showing any evidence. (Showing a letter from her attorney is not evidence). There are holes in her story, her own Slovenian biographer and some of her past statements contradicts her.

"I am pleased to enclose a letter from my immigration attorney which states that, with 100% certainty, I correctly went through the legal process when arriving in the USA," Melania Trump wrote in a post on Twitter, with a photo of the attorney's letter attached.

To put the issue of her immigration status to rest, all she has to do is release her immigration records to prove she had a work permit before getting paid. Back in August Trump promised a press conference to address the issue, but that never happened. I guess Melania will show her immigration documents, when Trump presents his tax returns. In other words, never.

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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/13/17 6:41 AM

I have little concern over Melania Trump's immigration status. The fact that she's married to an American automatically opens the door of the US to her, NO? That's why you have those Russian hotties making themselves available online. Object marriage == US citizenship. Do get prenup if you go that rout.



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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/13/17 2:00 PM

LOL Kofla, you are going on about someone's taxes. Ever wonder why nothing was dug up on tax fraud found by the other side and nothing came up. Same goes for those pussy grabbing law suits. Where is your proof.

One more time yes or no. Did you watch the last few minutes of those dumbshit canadians being schooled? I mean, from the horses mouth and [they/you] are being warned about having any constitution left if you are up against those dumbshit shittyits in canada who refuse to see it like yourself, yes or no, ask yourself.

Explain yourself about this justification if this guy is warning the dumbasses up north. Start making the canadians build a border and pay for that electrified wall. You just do not see it do you?


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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/13/17 4:13 PM

Vic, I love what you posted. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! The Bible says God puts leaders in power for a reason. President Trump is for Christianity. God put him in power in the U.S. to bring this country back to Him, the God of the Bible. If you read the Bible you can see we're in the time of the return of Jesus. It says those days will be like the days of Noah - Matthew 24:37-44. I really believe God is giving this country one last time to repent or His righteous judgement is on the way. The last 8 years have been so ungodly and corrupt in this nation and Jesus (who is the true judge and who we all have to stand before) is not going to take this much longer. The Bible talks about how the last TRUMPETS will sound before His judgement. This might just be a coincidence but I'll throw it out here anyway - TRUMPETS = TRUMP-PENCE. It kind of makes sense. Maybe God is trying to tell us something here.
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/13/17 5:14 PM

Woaaaah--that's heavy, man.



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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/13/17 6:48 PM

Mokaw I can't speak for God. I know in the eyes of the Lord we all fall short, including President Donald Trump. Some people have the impression that apparently Donald Trump should be a perfect human being or something.

I can say that I truly believe that Donald's intentions are genuine - but that doesn't mean he can get everything done that he's said. He's only one man, and must delegate to others and depend on them.

He's 70 years old, and yes he probably has somewhere between 10-30 years of life left, seems to be in great health. For someone of that age, who's lived the life Donald has, I can genuinely believe in the "scrooge" story coming to real life. I mean at some point one has to look at their life, look at what they have, and ask is this what this is really all about. Trump has an opportunity to tatoo his name in history for the next 1000 years. He won't get that done with the same old same old. He wiill get that by steering this boat in a better direction.

The difference between Trump and everyone else I see in politics is how genuine he seems. Compared to Hillary for example, basically I saw one candidate as really speaking with their heartt and mind and one who was reciting scripted recommendations based on survey research results and recommendations. Probably other than H Ross Perot, I have not heard another candidate speak in the same manner as Donald Trump. And yes, I voted for Ross Perot...twice.

So you know, the naysayers may be right. Maybe this is all a smoke screen, and Trump is the perfect person to get into office to pull the wool over our eyes. I'm sure some things will occur that aren't 100% good or whatever.

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02/13/17 7:13 PM

Vic, I don't think "racist" is quite the word. Xenophobe is probably a little closer. I'm with you. I'm afraid of too many immigrants coming into our country. I'm happy to have everyone we have here now regardless of their race.

I used the word racism because it was used in this thread. It's a word, like many today, that is thrown around in the name of oppression. Basically as soon as someone declares something "racism", oh no run for the hills the "r' word has been used.

It's time to stop running. I'm white. I was born this way. I didn't choose it. I just came out this way. I'm not perfect. I'm not a racist, and me agreeing that we need to limit immigration to our needs and purpose does not make me a racist.

And I'm not going to put up with people declaring things are racism just because skin color is different.

As far as xenophobe, that's not my bag either. It's liek saying your racist or a xenophone because you won't let strangers come and live in your home or property.

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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/13/17 10:18 PM

There has been plenty of passionate debate on this thread about the current US political situation and some strong words spoken.
Now for a little extra spice we have the introduction of religion into the mix as well!

"God put him in power in the U.S. to bring this country back to Him, the God of the Bible."

I thought the thread about who could draw a firearm while riding a motorcycle went to a different level.
But now apparently God was behind, is for, and now backs Donald Trump!!!

How could I have been so blind?
Should be interesting to see what President Trump now achieves under the guidance of the Creator of the Universe.

Sorry but you guys over there are more out there than I possibly could have imagined...


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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/14/17 4:33 AM

Yannih I think Mokaw means well but his wording isn't very clear especially to non-Christians, or perhaps a little misguided. I'm really leaning towards misguided based on the context of his post.

God does act on and in this world. As a Christian, I have experienced first hand God acting in my life. He does all the time. There is no doubt God acts in people's lives and on all levels of existance, including nations. However, it's important to remember that God grants us free-will and cannot (or will not) force anyone to do anything. God may put a sign in front of you, through something He can act on, and it is up to us to either accept it or ignore it.

There's a now documented example of God acting in my life that you all can relate to and are even involved with. I would liek to share it sometime, but I'm not sure about the timing.

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02/14/17 6:08 AM

If God is lending a hand to Donald Trump, I wish He would spread just a little love over in my direction.



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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/14/17 9:29 AM

yannih, if you have a Bible, read Romans 13:1. That's all I've got to say. Go ahead and ridicule me all you want.

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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/14/17 11:32 AM

"If God is lending a hand to Donald Trump, I wish He would spread just a little love over in my direction."
Rook, hasn't He already granted you angel wings?



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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/14/17 4:35 PM

lOL Yann

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