Well Hub, you lost me...

My Guhl flash reduced (removed?) the fuel cut on throttle lift.
So I added 50 in the 0 TPS column from 6000-3000 rpm as Romes suggested (well I played a little).
Big bang is now little pop and not all the time - which is a little strange I guess.
I'll add more fuel in the zero column and see if I can dial it out. Definitely better.

Oh and another subjective assessment (stupid to even add this given the flame war going on in this thread but here goes...). The lower gears do have more torque now (affect of the earlier fly opening?) Much easier power wheelies and at lower revs. After a few hours riding you have lost all ability to compare things anymore, but I put my old Autotune built map into her, added the zero TPS fuel for the decel pop and in 1st - 4th under 6000rpm there is a lot more torque. Perhaps the timing retard removal is playing here too?

I'm gonna drop the cash on the Woolich kit, I'm addicted now... found myself searching eBay for a used dyno...help!

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When all is said and done on this about tuneability, the only way to truly get the exact parameters that you want for everything is to go with a microsquirt system from DIYautotune.com. I just sold one to help pay for my 14. I did not want to use it on my 14, because I did not want to eliminate the fancy electronics on the ZX-14 dash.

This would be easy way to fix the lean area's for sure. But another piggy is what I would love to get away from. Only so much Room under the seat ?

Now, can we scale away from 14.7 AFR? Yes budda boom budda bing the Wooly!
Did that makes sense of the winky dinkeyboard? If theory holds and Wooly is screening the toggles. I would say how close are we?

How close will be in the real world testing.

Changes to the bin file that are complete thus far: Fuel map built, ignition map built, throttle plate opening built. IAP map head scratching, as all I can do is add fuel to our back fire location, as I have no AFR gauges on the bike to confirm or data log the where and when in the boom. UGH, more money.

What We CAN'T DO, is find this so called Hard coded Safety mode in our 2012,13 models. This is a BIGGY. If our bikes kick in this safety mode under hard launch and close throttle plates,,,,,, And we can not fix !!!!!! ,,,,,,,, This is a major Stumbling Block in the Woolich Software to date. We Need Access !!!! ,,,,, this will be a major issue for Allot of us. A ZX-14 with a Governor just won't do.

Once Again the only choice we will be left with Is to pull the Secondary throttle plates, thus losing some top end hp.

Justin Help

Ok i have found the STP maps for safety mode for the 2012-2013 ZX14R. These will be released in an update to WRT shortly.

So the way to correct the safety mode issue will be to update the STP Safety mode maps...

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I have also found the Ignition Maps for Safety mode :)

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Ok i have found the STP maps for safety mode for the 2012-2013 ZX14R. These will be released in an update to WRT shortly. I have also found the Ignition Maps for Safety mode :)

OMG, Justin your commitment to your trade comes in second to none. With support like this we can't go wrong Cheers.

Just Released v1.1.43 of Woolich Racing Tuned software

Updates to ZX14R Bin File Definition include
Safety Mode STP Maps
Safety Mode Ignition Maps
Save Last Traction Control Setting

These changes allow you to paste the Full Power maps for STP and Ignition into the Safety Mode maps to eliminate the Safety Mode when the ZX14R is launched too hard.

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jkwool

Loving your product

I have flashed with your 1.42 version has been a painless process

now im excited to flash the new changes

I have removed my o2 sensor without issue

the only thing i have found so far which i posted on your forum is the neutral limiter dosen't seem to work

I have set it to 5500 rpm but when i free rev in neutral it goes past the 5500 setting

no biggy. just impressed with every you have achieved in such a short time

Cheers George

Hi George

Thanks for your comments, i appreciate the feedback.

Would you mind trying the neutral limiter with the clutch in?

Cheers
-Justin.

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Well Hub, you lost me...

Well, oz, if you did not click your heels 3 times to get to OZ, I got that right out of the factory shop manual. Don't worry. I'm just as confused as you I start reading the shop manual. It's called the 'method.' And some other Big4 will describe the same thing with their abstract. So when you say 'backup' via mother teapot's nomenclature, you say 'fail-safe' as in Suz saying the same thing as what both bikes are handcuffed to: The Penultimate Number = 760mmHg (1 atmosphere).

So when one removes the 02 as the analog, the method kicks in is the selflash the ECU does onto itself. So it goes redundant. Did the 02 learn to stay within this ideal number and chases that number with the 02? Yes. If you toggle that off in flash mode, WATT other number are you going to use? The Pee Ultimate be passing thru your injector. Are not both systems matching each other in the math of it? I think so if the abstract reads what it says it does.

This is more what you are looking at when the factory manual says nothing about how an 02 sensor works. This is one of the 'read between the lines' you need to know about the book, or it's just jibberush you take it to a dealer and have them at it. I'm just describing how I understand the manual and its abstract. That book is nothing more than a diagnostic page vs. how the sensor is suppose to work and watt happens when something fails.

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Justin, are we seeing 4 individual maps for each cylinder?

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Yes there are 4 maps, one for each cylinder in the Fuel maps and Ignition maps sections. To enable easier editing you can go to "File" => "Bin File Configuration" and unify the cylinder maps so you only have to adjust one map and the changes are applied in the same proportion to all 4 cylinder maps.

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Thanks Justin. How about idle setting maps? Can we bring those down under 1000 rpm? And are you trying this over a bench ECU, or do you have access to real time dyno changes and all that? Or is this more what you see generically in any benched ECU from the same manufacturer, or close to it?

And can we see ABS maps and/or tone wheel settings, or clock speeds sort of change those vs. 1 sprocket needing 2 sprockets to correct a change? And it's more the tone wheel needing a bump up or down in some cell on some map say. I'm just guessing what all is in there and how much digging can you do?

* Last updated by: Hub on 5/27/2013 @ 7:10 PM *

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For the 2009 model, the Woolich tools give you Fuel and Ignition per cylinder.
What I was surprised to see is that Fuel is different per cylinder! Ignition is the same.
It isn't a huge difference, but it is different. Fuel by IAP and by TPS both vary, especially in low-mid area.
But Fuel maps are NOT per gear - same fuel in all gears.

Per gear adjustments are via a Fuel Trim map, and on 2009 model 4th - 6th have no trims.
I'm guessing the 14R is more advanced here with all the modes....

As Justin said, you can unify the maps (edit 1 cyl and all 4 cyls will be made the same).

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This either turns Guhl's business upside down, Brock out of the loop, Ivan out of the loop, unless this is a reach around for some. Meaning, "Match maker match maker make my ECU a map."

The only way Guhl comes back is matches what Woolich puts out is what Guhl has in hand. He's just holding a Wooly and clicking off toggles you could do on your own and more. It's going to be interesting as others Wool'up. Sort of inevitable in a way. The tech only lasts about what is the average? 18 months and things keep advancing? See apple always coming out with something along these lines?

I wish I could write an app for the phone it's going in that direction. Pee Res & Tune velcro'd on the dampener body. Hold on I got a phone call... RIIIIIPPPPPPPPP... It's for you, Wooly.

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Changes to the bin file that are complete thus far: Fuel map built, ignition map built, throttle plate opening built.

Romes would you be so kind as to post a PNG of your fuel map by TPS, rotated so we can see how you adjusted for fuel cut and decel pop? I realise it will be a work in progress, but from what I can tell the "Fuel Cut" that manufacturers are supposed to implement for EPA rules is obviously blended into the map.

See image here, with the yellow dots highlighting 4000-3400 rpm at 1.2 and 1.8% TPS

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What I was surprised to see is that Fuel is different per cylinder! Ignition is the same.

This is where who is different? I'm the 1243 fire order so who is rich and who is lean between each other?

Fuel by IAP and by TPS both vary, especially in low-mid area.

WOWooooow was my long whisper out [as it sunk in] with the method moves.

As Justin said, you can unify the maps (edit 1 cyl and all 4 cyls will be made the same).

As opposed to having the option to adjust each cylinder and each ignition curve for each cylinder. I'm thinking things out is all. I can see the ign curve being the same. The fuel trim has something to it so it's over my head thinking what it might do being in that kind of trim?

I need a nurse to come by and flick the head of Cody is down boy, down!

I think I got a Wooly. Don't tell anyone! Say I'm xxx ear sizing.

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Where is the accel map per say? Or could it be the IAP under, i.e., 'load based?' But then again, would it seem like there is some map to pop up under load to run instant rich, whereas the IAP would revert back to some map not under heavy load?

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On 2009 Stock ECU (Cause that is all I can see - my h/w isn't here yet so I can't read my Ghul flashed ECU and see the changes - but when I can, I'm hoping the mystery of what was changed will be dispelled! )

I'm the 1243 fire order so who is rich and who is lean between each other?

Its not easy, because you talking about a massive table to compare. The ECU has 12 steps from 0-10% TPS.
But generalising by looking at a few random cells and switching cylinders.

Cyl 1 is always leanest. At some rev/tps cells Cyl 3 is richest, at others it is 4 and some it is Cyl 2.

I'm guessing they must have sniffed AFR on each cylinder during design and come up with these maps.
The wooly "unify" option allows you to keep relative variations between cylinders and adjust 1 map.
It applies the change you make to the 1 map in relative proportions to the others. Very cool

Fuel trim is basically some fuel cut in lower gears for TPS above 50%. Cuts as much as 15% fuel in the 2500-3000 rpm range and the 6000rpm point in 3rd. This is probably the dead spot we all notice - which after the Guhl flash has gone - want a bet this trim table looks different when I can read my ECU :)

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Romes would you be so kind as to post a PNG of your fuel map by TPS, rotated so we can see how you adjusted for fuel cut and decel pop? I realise it will be a work in progress,

Oz my hardware still has not arrived for testing in real time. Also, I do not have the binfile for the 2008 to 2011 so I can not study the #'s.

If you want, Post your fuel TPS #'s Map(not in 3D) and I can tell you where I would start based on how I used to see AFR with the fuel tracer cells for your model year. This will be the same as my 2010. Should be Easy to explain after I see the #'s.

Then you can test 4th gear wind down to see if this works,,, do you have AFR gauge on your bike ?

On 2009 Stock ECU (Cause that is all I can see - my h/w isn't here yet so I can't read my Ghul flashed ECU and see the changes - but when I can, I'm hoping the mystery of what was changed will be dispelled! )This is probably the dead spot we all notice - which after the Guhl flash has gone - want a bet this trim table looks different when I can read my ECU :)

Look forward to reading your findings.

Question: can we have the hardware hooked up while the bike is running to make live changes visible on the lap top ? I'm thinking no.

Question: can we have the hardware hooked up while the bike is running to make live changes visible on the lap top ?

There is a very curious ZX6R on-bike harness on the Woolich site. I've checked and it appears it might work on the 14. I've asked Justin and he indicated that bin files are highest priority but they will get to it in time.
So the answer at the moment is no - but that would be good.

No I don't have an AFR gauge, although I use the Power Commander software and watch the AFR from the Autotune.
Of course that isn't whilst riding - only for practical reasons - it would actually work.

Fuel Map is excel here. I grabbed both TPS and IAP maps from first gear.
ZX14-2009-Fuel-Stock-Gear1.xlsx

PM me if you can't access or read the excel sheet.

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Cyl 1 is always leanest. At some rev/tps cells Cyl 3 is richest, at others it is 4 and some it is Cyl 2... The wooly "unify" option allows you to keep relative variations between cylinders and adjust 1 map.

Not cool. Sounds like handcuffing in the ultimeat and greet the lockout locker. Frozen to one map that richens map 1 is chokes #3. My off the wall logic says I have a water fall with 3 other cliffs makes one fall. One channel is narrow, the other is huge. I richen the leanest or narrowest channel with more flow of water over the cliff is #1 feels great! Over filling fall #2 some sputters over this cylinder. 4 comes around and it's a so-so feel/power. All I did was turn up the faucet and watch how it tumbles down the firing odor... You smell something?

... and watch the AFR from the Autotune.

That will work. One less bell for the whistle.

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Not cool

No problem Hub. By default you get each map in naked glory. You can paddle your boat down each waterfall and see which one you like best. I was looking for a life boat - there are more dials in the ECU than switches in a fighter jet... less might be more.

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oz, so what you are literally saying is 'yes, I can plot each individual map to lean or foul. No, I am stuck like the pc is up pops one map for all the other cylinders.'

If you say yes, then there might be that gear map still hidden. I'm about to reach around.

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Being a 'control freak' and all that, I like the option to control the heat off the bike. It's just a chemical reaction, right? That's where the four 02 sensors come into play off the headers. Sync them then the cylinders. One down.

The next is that idle set. The less rpm, the less wheel hop I meet and greet idle at a hairpin say. Do we see that on the cockpit display?

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