dogo was commenting on romans post

Dats what I thought.

im wondering will they hold up for a couple hrs at bike nite with 369 leds on flashing and such

I can't help ya there. But I'd definitely get the 18 amp and test how long I could run the leds before killing the batt at home before heading to a bike nite.

The Shorai's are a steal at their current prices. I don't think they'll stay this "cheap" for long. I believe Superbike Supply has already sold out of their first shipment.

I hope not cause I got a lot of batteries to replace. They may actually come down if Shorai starts selling a zillion of these things. So far there is no downside to these batteries. What was your net weight savings on the ZX-14 installation?

Looks like the 14 amp cranked just fine in Dogo's out of the freezer 34 F test

Actually, that was a 0 degree F test.

No two scales are alike but I'm sure yours' are within a few tenths of an ounce

My scale is just a cheapo from Harbor Freight so probably more ballpark than accurate.

Any advantage to using the 18 amp over the 14 amp? Price? Battery life?

My reasoning for going with the 18 amp for the 14 was extra power for accessories... the 14 is getting lasers.

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 1/25/2011 @ 2:29 AM *

What was your net weight savings on the ZX-14 installation?

Here is the weight of the factory tray, cap and strap.

The 18 amp Shorai, foam, tray, cap and strap weighed 2.522 lbs. The 18 amp Shorai alone weighed 2.12 lbs, so I used 0.05 lbs of foam for a total weight of 2.17 lbs for the Shorai and foam.

My scale reads 11 lbs max and the factory batt made it read error... but if you take 2.17 from 11, I shaved 8.83 lbs minimum.

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 1/25/2011 @ 2:30 AM *

That is a lot of weight, should get my 14 down to right at 520 lbs with full fuel. Hey, that's not that bad, the new R1 is 477 weight so we're only talking about 43 lbs here.

Changing subjects, the tech from Shorai finally e-mailed me back, we were right, the installation guide should read 60 inch-pound not 60 inch-ounce. Big difference and they will be updating the guide soon to reflect the change.

* Last updated by: Kruz on 1/24/2011 @ 12:37 PM *

18 amp Shorai cranking the bike at 40 degrees F.

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 1/25/2011 @ 2:31 AM *

The 18 amp Shorai, tray, cap and strap weighed 2.522 lbs. The 18 amp Shorai alone weighed 2.12 lbs, so I used 0.05 lbs of foam for a total weight of 2.17 lbs for the Shorai and foam.
My scale reads 11 lbs max and the factory batt made it read error... but if you take 2.17 from 11, I shaved 8.83 lbs minimum.

Roman's pic back on p4 of this thread shows an OEM battery w/o strap cover or tray to weigh 10lb, 12oz.

LOL, this is getting way too confusing for me. I'm going back and deleting my posts about what I think the weight savings might be. I don't want to give any more info other than what you guys who actually own the batteries are giving. The info is there and you guys have all been great to post the facts and figures for us. The weight loss is significant. It should almost feel like riding with an empty gas tank which to me is a big improvement in handling.

Dogo, I don't know how much stuff you are planning to hook up on your 14. I have my LCD, PCV and AutoTune----might go with a radar/laser detector and possibly a GPS but that would be it. Think the 14 amp will do it?

* Last updated by: Rook on 1/24/2011 @ 2:20 PM *

LOL, this is getting way too confusing for me.

The temp here this morning was -23C, not sure what that is in F but nipples are five smarties high lmao, COLD. Shorai 18A is the weapon of choice. Nothing but praise for this bad boy.

* Last updated by: Romans on 1/24/2011 @ 3:36 PM *

Roman's pic back on p4 of this thread shows an OEM battery w/o strap cover or tray to weigh 10lb, 12oz

Yea, different scales, different weights... figure 11 lbs is a good "ballpark" weight for the stock battery.

Dogo, I don't know how much stuff you are planning to hook up on your 14. I have my LCD, PCV and AutoTune----might go with a radar/laser detector and possibly a GPS but that would be it. Think the 14 amp will do it?

Nothing too crazy... PC3, ignition module, and maybe multi hub and wideband. I might put one of these on if I can get installed discretely... just figured better safe than sorry. I'm not using the bike for any sort of competition, so a few extra ounces was not a concern for me.

The temp here this morning was -23C, not sure what that is in F but nipples are five smarties high lmao, COLD. Shorai 18A is the weapon of choice. Nothing but praise for this bad boy

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 1/24/2011 @ 3:03 PM *

Rook I'm not sure how cold it gets where you are but if you watch Dogs vids back to back look at the dash flashing. The 18A is much stronger. From what we have seen so far I'm sure the 14A will do the job with ease in normal temps, but the 18A gives some Great insurance 4 all the bells and whistles you may add. With the TurnTech that dash flashing slow is the first sign of a push start headed your way.(yuk-E) I think the 14A is the same as our stock CCA ? at 200 and the 18A is 270 CCA. something like that. Anyway both will work fine based on what we see here. All are much better than the TurnTech I just removed. What ever you decide I'm sure it will be fine. Cheers

It may have been mentioned here along the way...but does anyone know what the life of these Shorai's are?That one on Brock's site there has about a seven year lifespan.IMO...not very good for the price they want.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 1/24/2011 @ 4:32 PM *

It may have been mentioned here along the way...but does anyone know what the life of these Shorai's are?

Q. How long will my LFX battery last?

A.That depends on many factors. Under the worst conditions, a lead acid battery may last only a few weeks and under the best about seven years (top-quality brands with regular use). In between you will find a wide variety of user experiences. Our research indicates an average of about 2 1/2 to 3 years lifespan for lead-acid. Under the same average usage conditions, we expect Shorai LFX to last roughly double, or 5 to 6 years. Under ideal usage and storage conditions, we expect 8 to 10 years to be achievable. Due to their lack of sulfation and slow-self discharge, Shorai LFX increase battery life most for users who sometimes store their vehicles for weeks or months at a time, and don't want to or can't use a battery tender.

Taken from HERE.

They're claiming double life of stock... Time will tell the truth, but so far the Shorai's are doing everything they claimed they woud do.

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 1/24/2011 @ 10:15 PM *

Rook I'm not sure how cold it gets where you are but if you watch Dogs vids back to back look at the dash flashing. The 18A is much stronger.

The 18 A is a bit faster cranking.

The 18 A is a bit faster cranking.

Much... but remember the 14 amp was fresh from the freezer. The 18 amp was not. Garage temp was the same for both.

14amp

18amp

Embeded side by side for easy comparison.

On a side note...Kruz, you knew that was the 14 amp, and totally baited me. Didn't you?

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 1/25/2011 @ 2:36 AM *

Ya know... I am a little disappointed... I bought two of these f'n things... Why the F didn't I get a free calendar!?

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 1/25/2011 @ 2:34 AM *

Another successful test...

33 degrees

17 degrees

And another...

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 1/24/2011 @ 11:45 PM *

Man, I can't believe some of the the resistance we are getting from people on these other forums, ZX-10R.net and the CBR 1000RR site are not too bad, they seem mostly open minded but on the ZX-6R site they went off on me like I was pedaling snake oil. I posted that vid of you cranking with the 14 amp-hour at 0 f and I got comments like "sounded like it was struggling"... what a buncn of douche bags! LOL, I hope those guys end up buying a 40 pound Exide car battery for their bikes at WalMart! Read my last post here:

http://www.zxforums.com/forums/zx-6r-forum/46473-shorai-battery-torture-test-0-degrees-f.html

* Last updated by: Kruz on 1/25/2011 @ 1:36 PM *

Meh... who cares.

I posted some pics and vids of the 14amp installed and cranking my 10r over on zx10r.net. They can decide for themselves.

I, for one, really appreciate you bringing these batteries to my attention, Kruz.

I, for one, really appreciate you bringing these batteries to my attention, Kruz

2ND

ut on the ZX-6R site they went off on me like I was pedaling snake oil

I guess the six hundred guys don't need a edge with all that power, lol

I guess the six hundred guys don't need a edge with all that power, lol

Shaved 7.1 lbs swapping out the battery in my 10r. ...and check out how quick the 14 amp cranks it over!

I hadn't started that bike for months. The gas was crap, which is why the bike didn't idle in the first vid. The second vid is the bike firing right up, still cold, but with fresh gas. It was 42 degrees F.

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 1/25/2011 @ 6:26 PM *

Been reading htis post of and on. It's about time for a new battery, and I am thinking this one might be the one. Anyway, jumped over to the ZX forum linked above, and damn they make this bunch look tame. Why even bother with all the bs comments. What's the point?

Thanks to those of you jumping in with your cash for our benefit. I for one do appreciate the effort of you guys. While I do not post alot, I do read. Or is it lurk? Have been doing it from the beginning, on the old site too. Just do not have anything to add most of the time.

Thanks again guys!!!

Ron

Ron, those guys on the ZX-6R site seem to be a younger crowd and from what I've heard most of them invested in Speedcell or Turntech Lithiums. They paid way more than we did for the Shorais and according to Romans prolly didn't get half the battery. they got burned, that would help explain the sour grapes. I think older, more mature guys would just shrug it off.

I was eager to jump into this because I believe this is an actual revolution in powersports batteries. Think about it, for the last 60 years or so, motorcycle starters have been powered by heavy, antiquated lead/acid technology. This is a real break through!

I believe in the next few years, these will become main stream as the OEM mfgs start to include them as factory installations.

I'm no investor but I'm seriously thinking about buying stock in the company, Shorai is prolly going to take off big time when Honda, KHI and the rest pick them up.

I'm no investor but I'm seriously thinking about buying stock in the company, Shorai is prolly going to take off big time when Honda, KHI and the rest pick them up.

I wouldn't go in too deep. You know the story of Beta v VHS. Better doesn't always get accepted. they seem like they have something more promising than your average upstart.

I'm no investor but I'm seriously thinking about buying stock in the company, Shorai is prolly going to take off big time when Honda, KHI and the rest pick them up.

Not publicly traded.

If the stock does go public, I'll buy some. Established company breaking into a new market... seems like a good investment to me.

Maybe an IPO is coming. Good job Dogo, that second 10r video was impressive. I think Rook is going to pop for an 18 amp-hour for his 14, that 9 lb weight savings will make his bike just that much faster, let's see how long he can resist!