btw I said this on Your text to link here... June 24th. 4 days before the testing occurred and was posted.

Is it a conspiracy? If Wolfs not completely full of shit, apparently whatever "parting of relations" occurred in 4 days between that post and my testing, and posting of those test results.

Btw, CBlast knew I was going to do this testing. I told him before I ever got the flash back, no matter what the results were they were going to get posted. However, as I've said repeatedly I actually expected (as did he) the numbers to be there. They aren't, so they aren't. After all, I wish my bike was 1 or 2 tenths faster. It's not, so it's not.

Can I have any credibility to tell anyone to buy this flash with these test results? "Sure...the bike doesn't accelerate any faster but shit, why not spend $400 on a flash when you could get the same thing for $75."

* Last updated by: VicThing on 7/16/2015 @ 6:30 PM *

Are all Jahovahs witnesses in denial? I guess they have to be to convince themselves that people actually want them knocking on their door. This thread is all about revenge, and you know it. I've read your childish threatening PM's to certain people, and I guess this is the result of you not getting your way. You are a child.

I guess us others guys that have the Cflash are really 'deluded'(believing)that this 'test' is REALLY how ours are doing.Because Vic said it was..And according Vic...we all are deluded into thinking our C blast flashes are in reality like those runs in those videos.Our bikes aren't performing any different,,we just 'believe' they are..I'm seein a non-changed set of runs in that video.Only thing different is the 'stock ECU' text and the 'Cblast ECU'text.They both are virtually(in the video) identical...now how does THAT happen?It didn't happen with any of the guys HERE that got the C flash.Or are you all covering up something?;)

If it'll make Vic feel better,ahem...mine runs NO better than a stock setup,even slower.There...feel better Vic?

See?The world's also out to get me

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 7/16/2015 @ 6:54 PM *

Still haven't heard which number Vic got on the Predator Race Team.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 7/16/2015 @ 7:24 PM *

Still haven't heard which number Vic got on the Predator Race Team.

LOL

Are all Jahovahs witnesses in denial? I guess they have to be to convince themselves that people actually want them knocking on their door. This thread is all about revenge, and you know it. I've read your childish threatening PM's to certain people, and I guess this is the result of you not getting your way. You are a child.

You mean I'm not the only one that's gotten childsih threatening PMs from Muttboy?

* Last updated by: VicThing on 7/16/2015 @ 8:23 PM *

Where is some sort of proof, video(?) or other, to counter Vic?

Come one guys ... so tired of this back and forth crap. Nobody ever posts anything but words. All words. A bunch of meaningless words. Everybody but Vic is 100% convinced their flashed ECU bike is faster than OEM, but nobody wants to post any kind of proof whatsoever. What the hell is UP???

If it feels like it is faster then it must be!

I don't know HOW exactly I could 'prove' my C flash is better than the stock one.I have both.To be honest here...I COULD video my 14 wheelying in first and second....Possibly third...I couldn't get my stock ecu to do that.I tried.But I'm cautious about doing those wheelies...the bike starts to lift,then it climbs totally fast,which of course causes me to let up...otherwise,she'd be landing on top of me.I try to avoid that...but she definitely WILL do that...no doubt in my mind.Even the KTRC on '1'...which in a stock ECU,gently lowers the frontend before you can reach that threshold.It not just the wheely,it's the thrust behind it...the stock ecu isn't the same.In 1st,I can get the ninja to loft with the stock setup.Controlled.With the flash,it gets out of control VERY quickly.

In my opinion....Vic put up what he considers proof. If anyone has proof of performance to verify or contradict it, then post up. Dyno numbers aren't proof of street or track performance, and that includes butt dynos. Too many variables in real life. Vic's method may not be perfect, but to me it says more than anything else I've seen. The results didn't surprise Ivan. Is the test directed at the weak point of the flash? Why wouldn't it be? The name calling and credibility bashing does nothing but prove your own childish attitude. I'm always amazed that C gets any business at all with Wolf in his corner. Do I believe Vic's results? I'm leaning that way mainly because of Ivan backing the result. I'm leaning more because of C's silence. If I owned a business, and someone claimed my product was defective or below par, I'd be all over it, whether I respect the poster or not. I don't have a ZX14R, but I've been burned by an aftermarket ECU company that made a lot of claims and backed up none of them. I'd love to see a post by C with a comparison that contradicted Vic's results to restore my faith.

* Last updated by: alg8er on 7/17/2015 @ 3:45 AM *

Grn; Unless all I want to do is wheelie, a wheelie doesn't prove much. Use Vic's method, and prove him wrong.

Vic, Why not clear up some of confusion and post results from 5.5k?

Yes, dyno charts don't tell the full picture. The test that vic did is probably the best real world test of stock over flashed and the only one ever I've seen for any bike.

Those that think their flash is faster, post up evidence. If not go away.

Well...I don't think anyone really needs to post some video test.Vic has what he has...he doesn't like it...that's the way it goes.I haven't been thrilled with a flash or two over the years.But I can say that my C flash is the best I've had.That's really all I can say concerning proof.Whether it's a flash that has moved the power into a different area of the rev range...IDK...but mine is VERY VERY strong from 3K on up...the factory one just wasn't like this.

I drag raced for years and I cannot tell you enough how many people would boast the so called seat of the pants performance increases after installing exhausts, ignition advancers, and jet kits. Most of these people were quickly schooled by the slower ETs than stock. Their claims were mostly attributed to less than smooth power bands that made the bikes feel faster when in reality they were reacting to the holes in the power band.
So again, I’m sorry to say, your claims mean nothing without proof.

* Last updated by: roadczar on 7/17/2015 @ 7:36 AM *

LOL...in your opinion...okay.I don't think there's any 'holes' in this powerband.I want thrust and power and torque.I don't ride around at 190 everywhere.That top speed thing doesn't really float my boat anymore.But the ranges I ride at...this flashed ECU is most excellent.Really,that's all I can say about mine.

I don't need anyone to tell me where the bear shit in the buckwheat.If I say it's quicker and stronger...it is.Mine anyway.I can't say about top speed...here,at this elevation,and with the factory gearing..it pulls into 191...then no further.That's normal for here.If it was at sea level...it'd probably still pull to 191...the gearing just won't allow it to get past that.

For one thing...the snappiness of the throttle is MUCH quicker than a stock ECU.I really only have my word to 'prove' anything.If Vic wants his to be 'upgraded' from how it is now...he can call C...get it worked out.It's on him.Or he can continue to defend his position about how it's NOT worth it.Which will get him NO results.

He may have been expecting Superbike performance from his zx14R...it aint gonna happen.Not with the 14R.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 7/17/2015 @ 8:51 AM *

So far only Vic provided any evidence. All else said are opinions.

If I say it's quicker and stronger...it is.

Grn - You seem like a well meaning, good guy, but those are again just more words. There MUST be some way to demonstrate that MOST flashed bikes are faster, in some RPM and/or speed range ... otherwise, why would I or anyone else want to take the gamble after seeing Vic's results?

So far only Vic provided any evidence. All else said are opinions.

Agreed.

So now the doubters are piling up, and the non-doubters still don't seem to be willing (or able?) to provide any kind of proof whatsoever. Just more versions of "I've ridden for a long time, so just believe me."

I'll just say this..and end my part in this.I'm sorry Vic didn't get what he expected.I watched his vids.That looked to me like the same ECU both times.Only he knows that.ANYTIME you get an ECU flashed,there's ALWAYS the possibility it doesn't work 100%.I KNOW C knows what he's doing,as with Ivan,Romans and the others.That's why I say...Vics vids I just don't believe he swapped out the flashed one for the stock one.I just don't.Mine is SO much different than my stock one.But whatever.Especially the part where he stated.."It's actually slower".What I'd LIKE to see...is a full video of him installing his flashed ECU...from cowl removal to starting and doing the run...without ANY break in the footage.And then the same procedure with the Stock one.We don't see any of that to verify that it's been changed at all.How about that?Lay this thing to rest.Adding some text about..'this is this.and now this is that"...doesn't prove anything.I'm just highly skeptical on this one...I seriously doubt that C would send him back an UNFLASHED ECU.That I just CAN'T see.So something isn't right.And I don't think it's on C's end.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 7/17/2015 @ 12:24 PM *

Exactly my thoughts!

Okay...here's what I'm gonna do...I'm gonna shoot video of me installing the stock ECU,then the C flashed ecu...without stopping the video..I'll do some parking lot short take-offs.TC OFF.From first gear.Okay?...Be back in a few.The only thing I think I can verify with this is the rpm levels when the two ECU's are getting into their torque range.I'll try some various RPM take offs and such.I definitely will not be opening it wide open,for obvious reasons...space for one.

To my knowledge Maverick laid down his fastest stock wheelbase with the CBlast flash at 8.93 sec.
“The power comes in smooth and steady all the way through redline. The Guhl's flash felt like it flattened out around 9k while Seb's flash seems to build all the way to the red. My time slips backed up this "seat of the pants" feel with my personal best back half MPH at my local track. It is also important to realize that it is quite a feat to lay down a personal best MPH in mid June with 80% plus humidity. My previous was recorded in Feb at around 50 degrees with 20% humidity. While this is not a personal best ticket, it does show my strongest back half MPH EVER at this track, a 29.06 MPH back half”Correct me if I am wrong but Mav laid down a 8.97 with the Brocks Flash II and a PCV with the Brocks street map. Smoking laid down a 8.42@163.95 with this setup. Which is the record. So is the Brocks Flash II and PCV with Brocks street map slower than a stock ECU? Do you think a stock ECU could have beaten smoking’s 8.42 record? On a different day under different conditions smoking said “End the end cblast/Nels flash ran the fastest ET at 8.58 ( 2 hundredths faster than Brocks ) and the fastest MPH at 160 (3.71 MPH faster than Brocks ) .. While the Brocks flash had the best MPH in the 1/8 mile even if it did feel sluggish ..Cblast put down the fastest 1/8 time with a 5.48 @ 128 ..” 8.60 @ 156 was the fastest with the Brocks Flash II and PCV with street map.
capt10ed went 208.1 in 1.5 miles with a CBlast flash. Do you think a stock 14r ECU could equal that if it was unrestricted? How is it smoking did a 8.58 with the CBlast flash and on the same day with the PCV and Brocks flash II did a 8.60? How is it that mav laid down his fastest with a 8.93 with a CBlast flash? The CBlast Flash is slower than a stock ECU? Is this not proof? Do you need PROOF that you are losing weight? Can you not tell your belt is tightening up 2 notches? You can’t prove it without stepping on the scales? I don’t need any more proof for me. My CBlast flash pulls harder everywhere. It’s not even close on my 14R. Never would I go back.

There...someone has given the actual times for these.Great Job;)I'm uploading my test vid right now...it'll be a while before it's ready...I agree here...there's just NO WAY the Cflash performs like the stock one.No way.If it was 'less' than the stocker,I'd be using that one...believe me.

"My CBlast flash pulls harder everywhere. It’s not even close on my 14R. Never would I go back".Yep...me either.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 7/17/2015 @ 1:46 PM *

Hard to read paragraph.

To my knowledge Maverick laid down his fastest stock wheelbase with the CBlast flash at 8.93 sec.
“The power comes in smooth and steady all the way through redline. The Guhl's flash felt like it flattened out around 9k while Seb's flash seems to build all the way to the red. My time slips backed up this "seat of the pants" feel with my personal best back half MPH at my local track. It is also important to realize that it is quite a feat to lay down a personal best MPH in mid June with 80% plus humidity. My previous was recorded in Feb at around 50 degrees with 20% humidity. While this is not a personal best ticket, it does show my strongest back half MPH EVER at this track, a 29.06 MPH back half”Correct me if I am wrong but Mav laid down a 8.97 with the Brocks Flash II and a PCV with the Brocks street map. Smoking laid down a 8.42@163.95 with this setup. Which is the record. So is the Brocks Flash II and PCV with Brocks street map slower than a stock ECU? Do you think a stock ECU could have beaten smoking’s 8.42 record? On a different day under different conditions smoking said “End the end cblast/Nels flash ran the fastest ET at 8.58 ( 2 hundredths faster than Brocks ) and the fastest MPH at 160 (3.71 MPH faster than Brocks ) .. While the Brocks flash had the best MPH in the 1/8 mile even if it did feel sluggish ..Cblast put down the fastest 1/8 time with a 5.48 @ 128 ..” 8.60 @ 156 was the fastest with the Brocks Flash II and PCV with street map.
capt10ed went 208.1 in 1.5 miles with a CBlast flash. Do you think a stock 14r ECU could equal that if it was unrestricted? How is it smoking did a 8.58 with the CBlast flash and on the same day with the PCV and Brocks flash II did a 8.60? How is it that mav laid down his fastest with a 8.93 with a CBlast flash? The CBlast Flash is slower than a stock ECU? Is this not proof? Do you need PROOF that you are losing weight? Can you not tell your belt is tightening up 2 notches? You can’t prove it without stepping on the scales? I don’t need any more proof for me. My CBlast flash pulls harder everywhere. It’s not even close on my 14R. Never would I go back.

I think what it said :

Mav: Cblast 8.93 / Brocks 8.97 | smoking: 8.42@163.95 with Brock's | Cblast: 8.60 @ 156 ... I like CBlast

* Last updated by: roadczar on 7/17/2015 @ 5:10 PM *