Not really a very good comparo...But I think clear enough to show a difference.I'll try something in different circumstances later.The midrange is very strong and quick...the low end is definitely crisper and more torquey.Watch in HD 720 or 1080

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 7/17/2015 @ 4:33 PM *

I think you're right CBlast is better.

Grn you've got to be fucking kidding with that video. With the flashed ECU, you're popping the throttle 3 times, revving it higher, and also opening the throttle more!

Montana: those curbs show up quickly, eh bud?

Lol! :)

Please be more careful.

* Last updated by: hagrid on 7/17/2015 @ 5:10 PM *

Grn you've got to be fucking kidding with that video. With the flashed ECU, you're popping the throttle 3 times, revving it higher, and also opening the throttle more

At least he remembered to swap out the ECU's

Must be a sad pathetic life to resort to that. I expected that out of grn. But you..., you? Ok...shit why wouldn't I expect that out of you as well? Same types that think their $150 sneaker helps them jump higher.

I can hear and I can almost feel the sluggishness in the sound of that stock ECU of the video. The stock ECU runs like a pig. You can hear it. CBlast Flash is peppier and revs quicker. No question about it.

"Montana: those curbs show up quickly, eh bud?"...LOL..yes,they do!Got a bit carried away right there..If I'd have waited just one more half a second...she'd have been toast!I'll be more careful.thanks.

"I can hear and I can almost feel the sluggishness in the sound of that stock ECU of the video"...yep...it's not bad actually,but that flashed one is just...quicker...and stronger.

"Grn you've got to be fucking kidding with that video. With the flashed ECU, you're popping the throttle 3 times,"yeah,I'm kidding.

Popping the throttle is showing just how quick she lofts with C's ECU.The stock one doesn't lift like that..once it's rollin...not near as easy I should say.

I'd say Vic...go and do what I did...then come back and tell me the stock flash is better.Preferably on an open road where ya have some room that is.I couldn't open her up all the way...not even with those short takeoffs and slowing.

"you're popping the throttle 3 times"...I'm making a point.It lifted with those 'pops'.The stock one didn't.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 7/17/2015 @ 7:34 PM *

I can hear and I can almost feel the sluggishness in the sound of that stock ECU of the video. The stock ECU runs like a pig. You can hear it. CBlast Flash is peppier and revs quicker. No question about it.

I know! The video is a definite proof. Throttle bleeping, acceleration, curb incident, and the parking lot drama. Case closed.

* Last updated by: roadczar on 7/17/2015 @ 7:35 PM *

You know...for straight line running...starting at 4k...the stock ecu has gobs of power once she starts climbing.No question about that.But it's that lower end lower gear combinations that truly show the flashed ECU's benefits.Also...when I go to pass(midrange) out on the open road,and I need FAST power and torque...the flashed ECU is very good...the stock one,not so much...it's slower getting to where ya want it to be...Even if ya downshift.IDK if removing the flies could change that any....possibly.I left mine in on this bike.It could be even MORE responsive if those were out.IDK.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 7/17/2015 @ 8:05 PM *

roadczar - You are crackin' me UP man

grn - Thank you very much for taking the time and going to the trouble to make that vid. I know those things take time and effort, as did Vic's.

"I'm not racing in your parking lot ... I'm doing some acceleration tests." HAHAHAHA I have GOT to remember that one! Thanks!

Throttle blip comparison in grn's vid:

Cblast flashed ECU blips 1:50 - 2:40
OEM ECU 9:42 - 10:17

* Last updated by: extrapolator on 7/17/2015 @ 9:41 PM *

Throughout the the video, for some reason, I kept on thinking - " Oh My God! They Killed Kenny!"

Let me slide this in my pocket, go down the street, don't give me that crap about some rpm change. Did you or did you not see Grn use the ABS and curbside your few yards? Hello, Vic? Wait, I need tires before I can cop pee in my pants, Grn's moves? Not one but many lofts of the blip.

But noooo, the tire pressure of that day was off... Okay, Vic, I'll let you slide.
So a few phone calls later, hey Vic? So we have the tires scrubbed in for a few yards full?
Hello, Vic? Is this mic on? Oh, you need a real weezer squeezer of the mix and match and you can't match GRN???

No, I need this to be most in the junk and in a scientific way. Oh, so no AFR meter, blow smoke up your ass, why am I still talking to the fool on the hill?...long pause... FFS! So anyway, Vic, ride much? I think Grn followed the same lame shit I've been saying all along.

Did not Grn mimic my move? So simple a way to find out. WATThell are you waiting for; you need to mail it to me for WATT??? This is all she wrote. I'm going to chew my cabbage twice: Vic, Grn up the move if you think the bike has something not there.

Grn, that was about the most obvious swap for swap I've seen yet. Vic, that brick is either C'dup or something is going on subjectively. I think something was, I have to assume was, when you two hung up, C still had your black box and he said/she said is I'm going to assume you have that 13.5a map like the one Smoke received, sans any codes when plugged in.

Choice 1:
Vic, I know you can ride so I would have done the same thing to that stock ECU you have. Fuck C's flash if that one throttle blip caused that, it sure was a stock ECU that make that bike lift, correct? So either the flash outperforms the throttle blip of that OE, or ???

Choice 2:
Your flash should act like Grn's bike. First, you need to fuck that MMI for riders school you missed. You need some instructions on how to ride--ride. No school I know around that has EXCUSE Riders School-- what in the fuck is your excuse DIS Time?

Choice 3:
Well, I have to wait for the post office to open. Why is that? Seems I wheelie better past those buildings. Oh really? Yeah, just the other day, I went to mail something and then WATT?

Grn; How do we know you didn't write "CBlast" on the stock ECU? How do we know you weren't cranking the throttle a little extra with the CBlast ecu? Of course the throttle has a flat spot off idle with the stock ecu. Every bike I've ridden has it to pass epa emissions test. I did notice that the bike turns faster, and brakes harder with CBlast's ecu. Maybe that was just the curb's influence. The best part is when the guy asks you not to race around his lot, "frickin people should mind their own business". I appreciate the effort, but I rarely ride back and forth in parking lots popping wheelies, and apparently you shouldn't either.

Seriously though. We are focusing on very minor portions of a flash. 10% of us are at the track, 10% of our riding time is at the first 1/4 throttle, and roll-ons are notoriously evil. We need a test of the whole spectrum. A whole hour of every type of road with each ECU. I would want the whole enchilada for my 14R. Everything I got with my gen 1 flash. Better throttle response across the board, better gas mileage, cooler running, smoother shifting, a linear power band, and more power across the whole band. Otherwise it's just fixing nitpicks, and risking a lean motor. We also should be comparing flash to flash. The only person I know of that has done this is Grn, but not back to back. Since I don't have a 14R, I'm done posting here. I'm still disappointed that CBlast hasn't posted a response of either "bullshit", or "I'll fix it". At least that would put Vic on the line.

Everyone knows that the stock ecu is restricted in the lower gears so a 1st gear test isn't the same test that Vic did.

Vic tested 3rd and 4th..... in these gears, full throttle results will be much harder to tell a difference by seat of the pants.

Without a road marker and a timer, it will be impossible to recreate Vic's tests.

The best test without a dyno would be to datalog the mixture and the TPS, Sub TPS, and MAP sensors, then view the logs in a proper log viewer.

Ivan

* Last updated by: Ivan on 7/18/2015 @ 4:42 AM *

And again, what does CBlast say to do? He tells his customers to go out in 3rd or 4th and do exactly what I did to feel the difference! That's the test I did.

Get that girl out and ride her bud! Give me a third gear, 4000rpm WOT SMASH. Hold her till you hear her bang off the rev limiter, then stab 4th. Let off, and tell me what you saw.

In fact, he's never told me to go out and play whack a pole in some business's parking lot in first. Of all the people I know that ride, and have ridden, I've never seen anyone that actually rides their motorcycle how grn is riding in his video. Not one.

Here's what CBlast posted on this forum about my flashed ECU.

All done and flashed Vic! Fired her up and she sounds fantastic! Welcome to the Cblasted family bud! WOT!

I don't want to hear shit about testing at 5500 rpms now. I don't want to hear shit about doing a test in 3rd and 4th gear. I don't want to hear shit about playing whack a pole in 1st around some business's parking lot. I don't want to hear shit about getting a bad flash either.

As far as the Vic didn't swap ECUs bullshit...LOL like I said if you're going there...just very sad.

* Last updated by: VicThing on 7/18/2015 @ 6:06 AM *

"Grn; How do we know you didn't write "CBlast" on the stock ECU? How do we know you weren't cranking the throttle a little extra"...well,we know because I said I was doing what I did.My wrist was at the same position on the grip as it always is.And turned as it always does. I have a bit of limited right hand turnability.My arm and wrist were snapped many years ago.It will only move so far,without 'regripping' the grip.Which would mean...I'd have to let go of the throttle and reposition my grip.So no...I wasn't favoring more throttle over either ECU.

So you mean,I wrote Cblast on one UNFLASHED ECU?Ask C if I had him flash an ECU for me.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 7/18/2015 @ 6:09 AM *

"I've never seen anyone that actually rides their motorcycle how grn is riding in his video. Not one"...and just what's so wrong about how was riding that afternoon?. I've done that a bunch of times over the years...practicing wheelies.Getting the feel of my bikes.So when I DO get on the streets,I know what to expect.WRONG?...whatever Vic.

BTW...I don't know what gear you were in when you started at 4K...but I didn't see ANY shift change when you let off the gas...as was recommended by C.So no,you DIDN'T follow his directions.He said 'stab it into 4th'.That means change gears!LOL!

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 7/18/2015 @ 6:22 AM *

Guy's, is it just me or should we consider moving on from this thread?
Its obvious all have their own beliefs on this subject and wont be swayed no matter what.
Its also a shame to read some of the comments being made against each other.
It seems all is just negative now and no longer productive.
Everyone can read whats already been written and take out of it what they will.

Just my two cents worth...

P.S.
Many thanks to Ivan and Rick for taking the time to give their informative contributions as very knowledgeable guys who provide this type of product and service.

* Last updated by: yannih on 7/18/2015 @ 8:42 AM *

Yup...ur right Yan.I'm outta this thread now.Thanks.

Actually, yannih this is more of a study in electronics. It's like saying, Ivan, I don't feel a difference in the tre, why did I buy it? So there is a seat of the pants difference. I've seen/heard enough on Vic's vid. Lucky for Vic the time was clocked.

There is too much missing. Why Vic won't cop up to a spin down the street or on that very street Vic was on that day of the loft. And with very little effort I might add. Now, look at Grn struggle with the OE trying to come up. Grn swears buy the Cflashit and this guy goes thru a lot of testing. I'm trying to catch up on the same moves, so there is a valid vid from Grn and valid Vic and his vid. Conclusion?

Vic = Decent rider.
Grn = Better rider.

Grn holds a flash = Low end bytes.
Vic holds his nuts = Dragging on the ground... oh now I see the rider has ball fatigue, Grn whips his out of the trouser pocket.

Signed,

VHNB ~ FFS!

Say WATT? I said, Vic The Dick Has No Balls.
Say WOT? I said, Vic Has NO BALLS for 200 yards worth since the day he opened that mailbox, pulled out a Flash for Cash, Alex, I'll take VHNB alls for $400.