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Thread: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash

Created on: 05/08/13 10:23 AM

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
06/15/13 7:13 PM

Much simpler than moving the sensor.

That's watt I've been saying, but no one... ah forget it. Are we not fixed to that degree where the tone wheel sits? Plus, we have the leading edge and trailing edges all out of phase. And then it's more like I was saying someplace else, that the gap is just as much dialing in a clearance or spec it needs to follow.

I would assume then:

1. Gap
2. Tone leading/magnet trailing
3. Map says WATThe F-uck did you just do?
4th Dimension = Limp the F-requnecy out of you!



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
06/15/13 7:22 PM

Romes, can we set a lapper on the seat, start the bike, watch the Wooly maps change in real time?

Yes ~ Then pull the GPS apart, watch the lookup maps change to limp mode.
No ~ Well shit! Where does the tre sit in all this? I went nuts trying to figure this out and are we full advance is the guess or did I reversengineer the 2° the other way?



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
06/15/13 8:46 PM

With gen one, my 10 degree advance in the bottom end only kicked back on me once when I lugged her into a corner while sleeping at the controls. That knock is Not Something you miss. You know, turned the dis cap to far ahead now we go back just a bit. That being said this new bike looks like 30 Needs a bump up to 32.5 where the old one was ????? almost a must. Anyway that's where I've been running for the last 600 hundred miles. Nothing bad to report.

Hub watch 8 min mark. Brock making horse power with timing. No Limp mode ? I have made a few over the top stupid maps just to test,,,, she likes it. Makes me worry. Baby steps.

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
06/15/13 10:45 PM

Brock making horse power with timing. No Limp mode?

That's where I was taking this to. Back again to the laptop... Can we see the ignition map in real time? Yes or no? Because, we can disconnect the sensor(s), see who times out, who runs rich on lift?

See, when kawi says they incorporate all 3, others us 2, they add sub/ign/fuel. Others only use ign/subs. So our limp adds all 3, early 14's and the other big3 are old style. We have more mappage to deal with when it comes to limp mode correction.


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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
06/15/13 11:13 PM

"Brock making horse power with timing"....

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
06/16/13 7:16 AM

That's where I was taking this to. Back again to the laptop... Can we see the ignition map in real time? Yes or no?

No, sadly, there is Zero real time access available in Woolich software.

With PCV fuel cells in real time were possible with the use of cell tracer. This was a great tool as it aloud us to fine tune cruz #'s to exact AFR, Afterwards remove auto tune from these area's in the map. Dyno Jet had no real time ignition that I could see.

With the MSD SB6 Ignition is visible in real time. In our bikes All timing is RPM driven. Only the 14R has a different Neutral Ignition Mapping OR it's missing from software in Gen 2006-2011.

So how were,,,,,, Fork dive.

Hub, the 14R has a Neutral fuel map but the Gen 1 Does Not. I can find no evidence with what we have in our current software of your fork dive in the flip of the resistor. Yet, there must be a signal for clutch pull or (N) or the backfire cure of the TRE006A could not exist, Correct ? Were you using the N resistor for sure ? or the 5, 6 resistor for faster fly opening. I'm still working on this but can not duplicate,,,, how you do disssss ?

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
06/16/13 7:31 AM

"Brock making horse power with timing"....

Yep, but how much timing ,,,, anyone ?

I have entered Ivan's Ignition Mapping from Gen 1 bikes into a file but have not Road tested it on the 14R,,, Rain today, Ugh. I need a Dyno.

Lol, Ironic I never rode the 14 R until we got our new software toys. The obsession for the perfect tune lives again.

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
06/16/13 9:15 AM

No, sadly, there is Zero real time access available in Woolich software.
Thanks. The answers I'm chasing will not help if I Wooly up. I can dup from the outside if I need fork dive. Think how I feel... ((((Sniffs/Blows)))

Dyno Jet had no real time ignition that I could see.
AFR wise, I can watch watt little I see change on the needle swing. That lookup happens as fast as I toggle to ground, i.e., I see the needle's dump rich. I'm just saying, I'd have to run my video, see who I popped on, N or 6 that triggered some AFR swing?

With the MSD SB6 Ignition is visible in real time.
Are you saying the MSD swaps lookup maps as you watch the ping 3-D sort of? Because ping means to me, I watch [pick a number] 14.7 ping at cruise. Then, I WOT the throttle, watch the ping go from 14.7 as a 1. The TPS ratchets open. the 1 turns to 0 and 0 reps 11 AFR as in the accel mode map or say that 3-D map has a ping going from X down to Y on that layer after layer is the 3-D map getting ping'd with 1's and 0's so milli fast are the seconds. So in a way it's a math calc finding 0 from 1, or say it needed a 1-1-0 kind of computation and the walk works something like that... Mathematically.

In our bikes All timing is RPM driven.
Correct. Weedout don't need no stink'inn sensors. Those are more called [Open Season On Linears], because of the backups to most every sensor, sans the crank. So technically, yank all the sensors off and she still runs. It's down to the crank/ECU/cam's last good known signal saved in RAM. You stall or key off one time = Boat Anchor!

Only the 14R has a different Neutral Ignition Mapping OR it's missing from software in Gen 2006-2011.
I'm going to have to narrow that down to watching the idle cable disappear. Idle is more like fly by wire = RPM Driven. Right? I need to see those maps so I can run it down to 9-850rpm. No wheel chatter if braking deep.

I can find no evidence with what we have in our current software of your fork dive in the flip of the resistor.
You should feel it when I do it to the R. Thing is, I'm not going to touch this bike until warranty is up. I broke it in per book and I still haven't seen redline yet. Amazing how the tire is lasting longer than the other two bikes I broke in: much harder. I'd be going thru tires buy now.

Yet, there must be a signal for clutch pull or (N) or the backfire cure of the TRE006A could not exist, Correct ?
Correct.

[6] plays the hard set. It richens on lift. (N) also affects a safe mode and I think it's more the GPS maps are ign driven. And with ign change you get fuel change. Correct me if I am wrong, but [6] stops or helps a little on the decel = Turns 16.5, kills the 2.4 degrees for it kill the smooth transition of stock. [6] being more abrupt, more responsive, the transition from accel to lift dives the forks = Transition 2.4° Removed?

As far as clutch pull, yes, there is no longer an idle cable. I think we need a map if we want the bike to idle. And it seems clutch pull is tied in with idle. So with most every sensor there is a backup. And [6] having that dive to it, we can't see where the [real time] timing goes? Does it go full advance or kicks back to retard?

Were you using the N resistor for sure ? or the 5, 6 resistor for faster fly opening. I'm still working on this but can not duplicate,,,, how you do disssss ?
Yes, same old 220 ohms resistor but guess watt? Any dab'ill do. You can use a 100 ohm, a 2 ohm, any resistor that goes single is the signal is no longer analog. You shift the trans, the GPS has 7 positions = 1-N-2-3-4-5-6. So the ECU is looking for 7 moves and you keep throwing in the one resistor [pick] and it still says 1 resistance entry over and over, whereas the ECU says, I need more data, watthell? That's enough clock time, time to set the limp.

So are we setting the ign @ full curve or do we lose 6.6° and run on that 30 degree setting? With the fuel knock and the fast ign curve, it's hard tell. Then again, heat causes knock and retard causes heat. So are we diving with retard in backup? And yes, I could toggle both the 6-N separately. You can't use both at the same time, right? The subs close down like you can't even rev it to get home.



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
07/20/13 6:50 PM

Justin are you still here ? I'm becoming more convinced that there is more in the ECU of the 2008-2011 ECU that is not visible to us. I am still believing there is Neutral fuel & Ignition map Map. Is it possible not all is visible ?

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
07/20/13 8:39 PM

Yes i am still here :) It is possible that there are more maps, i am writing some software to help locate additional maps and settings based on known info at the moment, will be releasing some new things in WRT for the later model bikes first then move back to the earlier models.



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
07/21/13 6:53 AM

I would so love to buy you a beer. Thanks again. Cheers.

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
07/21/13 8:09 AM

ha ha ha :) hmmm I might go have a beer now i think...



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
07/29/13 9:12 AM

We have just published v1.1.76 of the Woolich Racing Tuned software. This release adds MS0/MS1 (Map Select) switching of IAP Fuel, TPS Fuel, Ignition and STP maps for the 06-07 ZX14 as well as the 08-11 ZX14. This allows you to run 2 sets of totally independent maps and you can change them with the flick of a switch. So you could run a pump gas map on MS0 and a Race fuel map on MS1, or a nitrous map on MS1 etc.



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
07/29/13 9:13 AM

We will also have on bike harnesses available for all ZX14 and ZX14R models in about a week, this will allow you to flash changes without unplugging or removing the main ECU plugs. We will be doing a discount on the on bike harnesses for a one time period for anyone who has already purchased a bench flashing package. We will also have on bike harness packages available for sale with everything you need to flash you ECU on the bike. Stay tuned for more...



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
07/29/13 11:23 AM

this will allow you to flash changes without unplugging or removing the main ECU plugs.

Have to hand it to you Justin, you never stop working. Realy look forward to testing with the new Bike Harness.

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
07/29/13 11:52 AM



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
07/29/13 11:58 AM

I'm going to answer my own questions if this flashitizz watt I die [laughing] think it is... Signed,




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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
08/07/13 8:43 AM

Woolich Racing now have on bike harnesses available for the 2012-2013 ZX14R for use with our Mistubishi USB Interface.

If you have already purchased one of our kits you can purchase the on bike harnesses for a special discount price, click the following link to purchase
http://www.woolichracing.com/Buynow.aspx?ProductId=129

We also have packages available at a new lower price for the USB Interface, On Bike harness and bin file definitions.
http://www.woolichracing.com/Buynow.aspx?ProductId=127



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
08/07/13 8:54 AM

http://www.woolichracing.com/Buynow.aspx?ProductId=129

We also have packages available at a new lower price for the USB Interface, On Bike harness and bin file definitions.
http://www.woolichracing.com/Buynow.aspx?ProductId=127

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
08/07/13 8:59 AM

Thanks Hub :)



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
08/07/13 9:36 AM

I don't know which computer to use? Win8 or XP? That means I still need a computer out in the garage to hook to the bike with this original harness, right? And I'd like to have the option to have the interface software on both computers so I can sit and study the product in comfort. So if I download your software into a thumbdrive, Justin, I can dump them both into the house and garage computers. Is that a doable possibility? Thanks.



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
08/07/13 10:31 AM

Now yer talkin Hub....good for you!Bout time ya got somethin(tuning program)you can work with;)

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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
08/07/13 1:03 PM

For me, greenie, I'm after something totally different. That was 6 years of knocking on the black door. I was on and off on the research. What am I going to do with it after I know it? Nothing. Best part was how much struggle it was, then come to find out I shoulda had this figured out hanging out at a garage when I was a kid, watching some Sun scope machine show the waves on a set of points no less. So, knowing a little of that, a little bit of car crap, some serendipity find like more than once. Now, someone like Wooly comes along, gets me in the door. All I am going to do is explore a little more.



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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
08/07/13 1:27 PM

Well...the past is just that...unchangeable...now you move to tuning...I know you have the skills...and the ideal.Go for it!6 years ago you couldn't do what you can today....software wise.The PC is rapidly being replaced with ECU mapping.That's where it's at now....?????


I have a video..I want you to watch it...maybe you can tell me what this is?????(if you want);)http://youtu.be/7JMDnfM_g3k


I can't get this thing to embed like before...IDK what changed on Youtube...something.I tried using the 'old embed code'...it didn't work like it used to.


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RE: Ivan Guhl Brock ECU Flash
08/07/13 1:40 PM

I've had the wheel off three times now for tire changes.I never noticed anything scoring the axle or anything....haven't damaged the bearings or anything that I can tell reinstalling.I've been very careful.IDK what it is....or if it was there from the beginning.I did notice however early on while cleaning and lubing the chain,the rear disc seems like it has a warp in it....there's a 'friction' area along the rotor somewhere...I can feel it and hear it when I turn the wheel by hand....It doesn't seem problematic...the bike stops fine...and it's a very light 'rub' on the rotor as it turns...no noise while riding.Not getting hot.It's very light.Wonder if it could be somehow related to this noise I'm getting on the left side...although the 'clunk' is definitely emanating from the left side of the hub.When I speed up the rotation...it will disappear...it didn't in the video...but normally,it does.


The clunk seems to be happening at ONE full revolution of the wheel.Would a bearing do that consistenly?There's NO play side to side.Everything feels tight and okay.All the fasteners and such(spacers) are installed correctly.Axle is tightened very close to spec.

I mean...there's no way you could damage that bearing in there with the axle install/removal right?It's got that race contacting the axle...the balls never touch anything but that race,yes?And it can't move in the hub...the outside collar that is....IDK...6500 miles...doesn't seem possible for a bearing to fail on one of these monsters.I mean...it's greased and all...seals are fine.Chain is fine.Sprocket is fine(new as well...)...but it was doing this before I switched sprockets.


Maybe next time yours is up on the rear stand...you could check for this on yours.If it's doing this on other bikes...14R's...then it's probably 'normal'...IDK.I'm getting no odd feelings when turning the wheel by hand...it stops as it normally would on it's own...you know...the light caliper/pad rub being always there.I don't think it freewheels as much as the front does...but that's probably normal as well?


I did not spin the rear without the chain on there...I will next tire switch.It's probably nothing...it doesn't do it spinning the other way...and it's not resonating down the chain or swingarm from the front sprocket...I checked that.


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