Those are all good points Willi.Ya....I agree with virtually all you've said.The old testament is exactly that...the OLD testament.Jesus redefined that set of "laws" on His arrival(ONE of the reasons they tried to kill him throughout His ministry).I was heartened today to read that one of the most outspoken and powerful Imams in New York is frustrated with the way that Muslims are addressing the teachings of the Quran....and that he wants(and feels)that they should,must,seriously look into some of the more "aggressive" (poor choice of words on my part)passages,and clarify their true meaning.This hasn't been done...or at least,certainly not enough to offer any softening towards Muslims in the US.I'm very sure that there are thousands of American Muslims who desire peace,to live alongside Christians and Jews.And be a part of the American dream.So I'm not condemning all Muslims.Just as I wouldn't condemn all Blacks,or all Whites for the behavior of a "few".I know the Quran has been misrepresented by extremists as a launch point for terror.Even the Bible has been used for individual "God told me to do it" terror acts and murders.I know that.But this deal with the Imam in New York....I say awesome.This openness to scrutinize their own Holy Book is a seriously positive move for American Muslims considering saying nothing about any of the teachings will only harbor suspicion by others who have a REAL reason to mistrust.(those who survived the 9/11 attacks or lost loved ones in it).

I know the US past is checkered with things that "I wish could have been different"...but today...well....it's a different America than it was back then.And thank God it is.There's still alot of hatred towards other groups...ya...still racial prejudice.Between BOTH races.And yeah...plenty of murders going on right here.But I still believe that in spite of the "bad news",overall there are way more good,caring and kindhearted people here than ever before...and that makes it all worthwhile IMO.

JUST use your nuclear bomb in the hidden montains afganistan/pakistan give no chance warnings just like at PERL HARBOUR !! 9/11 !!,DARWIN !!,Bali !! The lesson taught in JAPAN 1944 !!! some times ya just gotta wack them with a big stick there to simple to listen to any sort of reasoning history proves it would be horrible but are we just gunna let them get "Stronger" and get more prehistoric help, Let them Brainwash "THOUSANDS" of ellitrait "Suicide Killers" if you dont "kill" them they would luv to kill you and all educated people around the world !! KILL OR BE KILLED !!!!!they are like roaches there just starting dont wait till its to late !you "talk about ARMS USE THEM" the tactic of a nuclear strike in the above is far more controlled to make a real point of "BACK OFF" AND WOULD MAINLY ACHIVE SMALL BUT WELL WORTH COLLATERAL DAMAGE !!

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Hey guys. The wife and I went to a Pink Floyd concert tonight. I was sitting next to 2 Muslims. I was polite and offered them a beer. Won't do that again. They were not dressed in all the get up, so I thought maybe,,,,. Nope. They were Quick to inform me that they do not like. Ok. If looks could kill I would be dead. My bad I guess ? Oh ya the pints were 17 dollars a piece. Now that I think of it I'm glad they said no.

Hey romans thats sad about their reaction mate,thank god ya not predudice or ignorant like that !!!! Pink Floyd hell that was the first concert I went to with my wife quiet a long time ago now I trust ya both really enjoyed the music though ! I WISH I was there from Stephen yer mate OH yes a aussie pint is about 7 bucks here

* Last updated by: bean07 on 9/15/2010 @ 10:48 PM *

No beer yet listening to rock music?HHmmmmm.You know Rome(I hate to sound like this)they(okay,extremist "spies"(yep,they're out there)are being taught NOW that it is permissible to "join " in the "sins"(some sins)of the host country or peoples to get close enough to actually obtain more information concerning rather sensitive info about the host country(or people).I'm not making this up either.I was surprised,yet not totally when I read about this.This is a serious deal for Muslims(the extreme Sharia Law/Taliban types that are trying to conquer the infidel lands for Allah's sake).It's definitely NO GAME for them.They're deadly serious.

Hey uall want a Scape Goat I would put my hand up in a flash to press that button just dare anyone to let me near that SWITCH I wouldn't hesitate for a split second truely just get "ME" the right people near that button POINT IT TO THOSE MOUNTAINS (WHERE THEIR TRAINING RIGHT NOW) BANG IT WOULD BE A MASSIVE PADDOCK IN A FLASH

* Last updated by: bean07 on 9/16/2010 @ 4:20 AM *

Yikes

romans I no its contervasional but truely we just gonna let them brainwash such hate towards all of us

Bean I think the world is becoming more aware. Every day I get one more shocking E-mail like the one above. Up till a couple of years ago I had no idea this was even going on, ignorance is bliss. I don't know where it's all going but the worlds Fastest growing religion is taking no prisoners. They say this part of the world has 25 years left. I feel bad for Europe, with England being the first to fall and become a muslim state. The British have a kick ass military. I hope the muslims play nice with their new toys. There is a reason for us all to pay attention.

YES romans I too didn,t really think to much on this subject hey seen what happened in France recently,(allthough I don't realLy like THEM)HEll they were close to total anarchy not so long ago, theirs little pockets of them in all our comunities ie; (david hicks) taught exactly what in a mosque down the road from me, fact they dont assimilate like other immigrents they even get away with expanding the call to wipe all of us out as I PREVIOUSLY Stated ! aka bin ladin x thousands like termites ya have to kill the "NEST" the nest as we know is the mountains of pakistan/afganistan why have a nuclear arsenel and not use a few to at least say enough is enough fuck them! OUR kids and so on have a right to live in a world that really needs to be addresed NOW, I think in one of the DEFF LEPPARD SONGS it said we counted on AMERICA being Passive we WRONG !! not true folks you are passive dont be we still have a chance kill the """"NEST""""

* Last updated by: bean07 on 9/18/2010 @ 7:39 PM *

"yikes"
If they did that with a little more conviction..........problem solved!

SIMPEL IAN'T IT ! SHOW THEM TRUE FEAR

Muslim's Stoning Young Girl To Death and THIS is RELIGION coming to a town near you.

HOw in this modern world can this just keep going on what guttles people to alow this prehistoric shit where are the AMERICAN leaders, comon this is so bad just start to tell them you have to do what ive talking about NIP it in the arse hells FUCKING HELL USA President,my idea DO IT NOW FUCK THE WORLD oppinion just nuclear attack thouse mountains tell them truely WHO is the BOSS PLEASE TRY to get your PRESIDENT to STOP this BARBERIC BEHAVER

Long as they're willing to put up with it....nothing CAN be done.The US can't stop it.Afghanistan can't stop it.Yemen can't stop it.Only ones able to stop it are the participants.For whatever reason,they love to shed innocent blood.

That's the sadly tragic truth...you could kill virtually all of them...but that wouldn't stop their thirst for violence and bloodshed.Hell,the sword and crescent are their emblems.THAT'S THEIR answer to living.Killing.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 9/23/2010 @ 9:06 PM *

Hey blue this is not and has never bin a joke we all need to wake our leaders up to do something now this has to be ended now! and everyone lets start to deal with them,for all of our futures

Geez Bean...course it aint no joke.I'm not being "funny" here.The deal is...until they change their minds about the forms of punishment and administering "justice"...it won't end.The rod of "correction"(in this case,the sword)only goes so far in shaping people's behavior.Sooner or later...it stops working.Unfortunately,those wielding the "sword of instruction" are centuries away from the real world..though they don't think so.

blue mate i agree with you yes they are so backward but if we dont do anything free life in our home land will end, what they do in there own country is what they have allways done, so true even though any half educated person should know its so so barbaric hey we still need to address the mountain areas,shit if where gonna destroy most of Iraq, why not also wipe out those mountains turn those evil breading grounds into a flat zone hell those pakistanies aint on our side when they let them hide and train on there side of the border all where worried about is world opinion its to late for diplomancey unless we dont want to keep our free speech and just live like they do. TALIBAN STYLE

* Last updated by: bean07 on 9/24/2010 @ 12:46 AM *

This American Airlines pilot 'hit the nail' right on the head in his open letter.

The paper stated that some Muslim doctor is saying we are profiling him because he has been checked three times while getting on an airplane

The following is a letter from a pilot. This well spoken man, who is a pilot with American Airlines, says what is in his heart, beautifully....

Read, absorb and pass this on.

'YOU WORRY ME!' By American Airlines Pilot - Captain John Maniscalco

I've been trying to say this since 911, but you worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this country that I love, that your color and culture still blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me.

I notice you because I can't help it anymore. People from your homelands, professing to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully understand their grievances and hate, but I know that nothing can justify the inhumanity of their attacks.

On September 11, ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and crashed them into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons, wise grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite coaches, fearless public servants, and children's mothers.

The Palestinians celebrated, the Iraqis were overjoyed as was most of the Arab world. So, I notice you now.

I don't want to be worried. I don't want to be consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has destroyed the soul of these terrorists But I need your help. As a rational American, trying to protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must know how to tell the difference between you, and the Arab/Muslim terrorist.

How do I differentiate between the true Arab/Muslim Americans and the Arab/Muslim terrorists in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter these same good neighbors and children?

The events of September 11th changed the answer. It is not my responsibility to determine which of you embraces our great country, with ALL of its religions, with ALL of its different citizens, with all of its faults. It is time for every Arab/Muslim in this country to determine it for me.

I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to know, whether or not you love America . Do you pledge allegiance to its flag? Do you proudly display it in front of your house, or on your car? Do you pray in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation, that He will protect and prosper it? Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it in one of your Jihad's? Are you thankful for the freedom that only this nation affords? A freedom that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of patriots who gave their lives for this country? Are you willing to preserve this freedom by also paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America ? If this is your commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it.

Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions you are taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United States of America . Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death of the innocent because I worry about who you regard as innocent. No more benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks because I worry about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in any more sympathy. I am only interested in action. What will you do for America - our great country - at this time of crisis, at this time of war?

I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets. I want to hear you chanting 'Allah Bless America ' I want to see young Arab/Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to this nation as a whole.

The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want to talk to regarding the WTC attack. Many of these people live and socialize right now in Muslim communities. You know them.
You know where they are. Hand them over to us, now! But I have seen little even approaching this sort of action. Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community close even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets. You have posted armed security guards at your facilities. You have threatened lawsuits. You have screamed for protection from reprisals.

The very few Arab/Muslim representatives that HAVE appeared in the media were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure that the United States proves who was responsible before taking action. They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence directed towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with supporting our country and denouncing 'leaders' like Khadafi, Hussein, Farrakhan, and Arafat.

If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love for all people, then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings in the Koran are good, and pure, and true, when your 'leaders' are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and intolerance? It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if huge numbers of the world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a degenerative form of the religion. A form that has been demonstrated to us over and over again. A form whose structure is built upon a foundation of violence, death, and suicide. A form whose members are recruited from the prisons around the world. A form whose members (some as young as five years old) are seen day after day, week in and week out, year after year, marching in the streets around the world, burning effigies of our presidents, burning the American flag, shooting weapons into the air. A form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to take up arms against the great United States of America, the country of their birth. A form whose rules are so twisted, that their traveling members refuse to show their faces at airport security checkpoints, in the name of Islam.

We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us: Our rights under the greatest constitution in the world. I want to know where every Arab Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my right and the right of every true citizen of this country to demand it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands of my brothers and sisters who died protecting the very constitution that is protecting you and your family.

I am pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my brother, my neighbor, my friend, as a fellow American. But there can be no gray areas or ambivalence regarding your allegiance, and it is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU stand. Until then.
'YOU WORRY ME!'

CANADIAN COMMENTS:

Canadians should agree with this sentiment and forget all about the 'political correctness' mandate we've had rammed down our throats, and see if this doesn't ring true in your heart and mind.

For Canada , with all the multiculturism we've been told is so important....why should we not, as Canadians, expect that the millions of new people immigrating to our country will show their love for our country, their allegiance to our country, their willingness to obey the laws of our country, and acceptance that we are a Christian country? Just because they are able to enjoy exercising their own religion, they should not expect us to be ashamed of ours. They knew Canada was a Christian country when they came here. Why are we erasing Christianity because immigrants who are unwilling to adopt our way of life expect us to? There is just too much insanity in the world, and we have to start taking a stand.

I hope you will forward, so others will feel they are not alone if they are starting to feel the same.

THIS IS TOO GOOD TO JUST READ AND DELETE....

Very good read Rome.The fear of actually being "found out" by their fellow Muslim friends as loving this country and all she is...is IMO what's stopping these higher ups...and average...Muslims from speaking out.Instead of dancing around America's concerns...as he said...if they REALLY wanted American acceptance,they'd be doing all they could to shed light on what their teachings really are.By doing that,they'd be getting the American support for their faith,and all that goes with it.Waiting for the Islamic Center to be built "and then" show America their "honest care for this country and multiculturalism" is another way of buying time.It's not much different than say,"that Party" telling us to vote FOR this or that,and then we'll show you all the good things within it.Typical backpedaling,and dishonesty in my book.I'll tell ya this...if things were turned around...or even as it is RIGHT NOW...it's dangerous to be an American overseas...over in the Arab countries.They certainly don't allow "Christians" or Jews,or non-Arabs the same safety and protections they receive here.But again...as usual...their hatred is OUR fault.

I'm sure everyone by now has heard about the latest Bin Laden tape.Calling upon the Arab countries to step up to the plate and scolding them for not taking care of their fellow Muslim brothers and sisters during this time of flooding and stuff.Ya...okay...sounds good.If he feels this way...why not say..."listen fellow Muslims...I as your guide tell you now...embrace the west...let them help.Be part of the solution with all your heart.Stop the blaming...start the healing.Be brothers in arms against the senseless murder of your own,and accept the west as friends instead of enemies"...would that be so terrible?NO ONE here is asking ANY Muslims to renounce their God or anything else.So what's the big deal?Yet "over there"..they kill non muslims because they "don't believe" in Allah.How do they expect America to trust em?I've yet to see any Muslims(or Jews) or any other religion over here get persecuted with deaths and terrorism.When was the last time anyone here heard about a Muslim being killed here because they are Muslim?Go over there,get out on the street corner,start preaching Christ,and get ya an Iraqi flag,light it on fire and see what happens.And America's full of hate for the Arab world?I'm not seein any disrespect of the Arab nation's flags or peoples by demonstrators burning effigies and such here.If they are...it's so small and isolated that it could be called "normal" for a country as vast and mixed as ours.But it's certainly no national campaign.To diss Arabs.

blue07; "I'm not seein any disrespect of the Arab nation's flags"

That's because they're busy disrespecting our flag!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Ka7y8XrPc

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blue07; "I'm not seein any disrespect of the Arab nation's flags"

That's because they're busy disrespecting our flag!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Ka7y8XrPc

Relax guys this Country was built off lawful protest and thats what is happening in the video. I don't like that fact they are disrespecting the flag. However my hurt feelings don't outweigh there right to destroy the US flag.... yep thats right they have a Constituinal right to destroy the US flag. I would bet money that the flag is either made in China or Mexico anyway I would be more worried about that then some dip shits disrespecting the flag yet expecting people to support them

I just went back through this thread for a few pages and the two most active participants don't even live in America now how would they know what it takes to be a good American. Don't offended it’s just an observation that’s all you’re entitled to your opinion all the same.

That's interesting. Although I think it SHOULD be in the Constitution that burning our flag lands you jail time. Just my two cents. I think it's a sacred enough thing to those of us who believe it truly means something - and deeply so.

most active participants don't even live in America now how would they know what it takes to be a good American

Sooooo, if you changed the country to Canada in the above question do you think my view would some how change ? I have gotten this E-Mail many times, with many different countries in the above heading. I think you missed the point, but ok.