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Thread: Roman's Flash.

Created on: 08/08/13 07:56 PM

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Blkcasper


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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/07/14 4:34 PM

Thanks wolfman. Glad to be shredding rubber again.

Streetracer I lowered the front 2" by raising them up in the triple tree. Adjstable links in the rear. Also hqd my suspension readjusted by a suspension guy that did my race bike. Ft/r preload, compression and sag for my weight.
Only problems bumpy roads have to slow down, not enough suapension travel for big bumps and dips. Will occasionaly bottom out with my girl on the back. can't go over any type of speed bump. Lol. If your heavier than 200lbs that's as low as I would go without stiffer front and rear springs for the street.



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/07/14 4:46 PM

06blackpearl just flash at the moment. But my pc5 is still hooked up with a zero map. Still may need to tune it a little. The flash is just another way to tune and get rid of some factory restrictions. Really depends on what your looking for out of you bike and what mods you do.



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/07/14 5:41 PM

Thanks for the info Casper !! Maybe I will try 1 1/2" first.



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/07/14 7:07 PM

Cool... I'm just trying to figure out if I will absolutely need the PCV or can I run just ecu flashed..
I guess I need to know can the ecu be configured like a PCV ? This flashing is just new to me and I don't fully understand what can be done and or who can do it right! Were as the PCV is tried and tru! It just can't disable the minor factory faults...

Guess I'll keep reading got plenty of time yet..
Thanks!



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/07/14 8:27 PM

Just run the ecu flashed! Def don't need a pcv to go with it. Just waste of money.



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/07/14 10:21 PM

pearl,

2006 - 2007 = Pull flies.
2008 - 2013 = A waste of time. Ask me. I've owned an '06 - '08 - '013. Only the '06 was dangerous. If passing was needed, forget about it! Flies out, you are within par of the rest of the gens.

As far as flash...

How much money do I want to pour in as in 'tweak money.' Pipe/pc/flash means tweak money.
1. Pipe I can sell or carry over if gen stays close.
2. PC can be sold or carried over or so far I can recycle the tweak monies.
3. Flash I can't get my money back. I paid for a flash not the whole package to flash over and over, but a one time shot I mail it out and have it returned.

A flash is specific to the rpm rise. A pc cannot raise rpm. A flash can hold your last K-skid number and save it. A pc cannot save/change anything in the ECU where a flash can. All the pc is doing is changing a duty cycle on the outside, i.e., the injector is staying open a few milliseconds longer so the fuel ratio changes to a different power setting.

A pc can change the fuel setting all day long. A flash has to be sent back out, either dyno'd leaner, reset richer or returned to stock. Where are you going to find a bike for your year, someone burns out their bike for your ECU? I don't think so.



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/08/14 4:59 AM

Smatlock that's what I wanna do..

Hub thanks..!
Well I have to adjust fueling as I have a full system so if I can save by not buying a PCV good!! I just wanna be sure I can adjust if required...

Know what I have not said is that I have a tuner down the street from me we basically work together as I send him bikes that needs tuning either dyno/PC tuning or flashed or both!
What I get in exchange is parts to powdercoat mostly extended swingarms and wheels..
So I do have access to a dyno and flashing equipment...

And since we both work full time then come home and work there's really not much time for me to hound him about what can be done and can't is rather know what i want b4 hand..



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/10/14 12:02 AM

Man if you can get a ecu flash file done for your setup that's all your going to need for regular street riding. If your planning on going to the track then yeah I would recommend a pc5 also for fine turning. Now if you change your setup , different pipes, ect, then you may have to send off the ecu again to be reflashed or just use a pc5 to compensate for fueling modes if needed.



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/10/14 12:18 AM

Why would you use the PC5 for fueling mods if you can update the fuel tables directly then re-flash the ECU?



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/10/14 1:06 AM

Jkwool..for those of us who do not have the woolich software and programming tools. If we sent out our ecu's to be flashed and then made changes to our bikes, pipes, race fuel, ect, then we may need the ecu to be reflashed again, ??? Correct?? In this case it maybe easier for the average guy to use the pc5 and dyno tune versus sending ecu out to be reflashed if there is no bin file available that matche's the changes that are made to specific bike .
This is just my opinon. Just like no pc5 map or ecu flash will work for evey bike. Some adjustments will still need to be made for each I individual bike setup and rider preference. ??????



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/10/14 2:53 AM

Why not just do it properly and buy the ECU flashing tools and use them to de-restract your ECU and modify your fuel maps? Works out cheaper and you will get better results. Seems crazy to send your ECU away to be flashed and then also buy a power commander and/or then have to send the ECU back for re-flashes? The WRT software is easy to use, we have a bunch of video tutorials available and you can buy a full package for less money than some guys are charging for a send in reflash...


* Last updated by: jkwool on 1/10/2014 @ 2:53 AM *



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/10/14 7:13 AM

Yeah Casper I'm probably going with flash only .. If that doesn't work to my liking I'll just have to do PCV but my tuner has been doing this for years...

@jk does your system work on Mac?



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/10/14 7:17 AM

Woolich Racing Tuned software is a Windows .Net application and we only offer support for the Windows operating system. However we do have customers using Boot Camp or Parallels on Apple Mac computers and they are able to run our software successfully.

http://www.woolichracing.com/SupportCenter/Item/93/does-your-software-work-on-apple-mac-computers.aspx



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/10/14 10:51 PM

Well i have the utmost respect for Romans, he stepped up big time. keep me in the loop with all things and info and conversations with woolrich to get the problem fixed. If i wasn't confident or felt good about what was going on with the issues with the flash I would have just asked for a new ECU unflshed and went on about my buisnss. Well the wait was well worth it.

Blkcasper I'm very glad it worked out in the end.

Thank you once again for your patience. You point of view on how it feels is bang on. Important, as from Your position of already having a PCV with flies out and a top end horse power map describes exactly what can be gained with the ECU flash. PCV alone can't give you that bottom end punch. More of shock coming from guys who use this as there first mod.

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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/11/14 5:39 AM

700 beans - Woolich software
500 beans - meter and 02 censor to read make adjustments
500 beans for PC5 to dial in specific chhanges

I'm at 1700 for all this.


And ecu dyno tune is rather simple and less expensive even if not custom mapped to your bike. I want the Piggy Back gone, she lies to my girl, and ads superficial weight.

Wool is a shrewd business man for his involvement in this forum. I applaud entrepreneurial spirited and minded people (welcome). He is selling a product (a great one). Bin file sharing is an ingenious endeavour in stealing set ups, hey Wool what's up with that?


The path to power is fought with $ - everything and everyone is for sale. Educate yourself and make an informed choice (more important - set a budget). Read posts carefully and see what our readership and ridership say about products. Then pull the trigger.







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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/11/14 5:46 AM

A true Romes flash and C flash comparo and dyno runs are in order. Gives us some insight into what we have. Dyno time equals $$$. Seat time burning rubber requires $$$. I'm looking for sponsors.

Ecu flash to ecu flash would be exciting. Now an ecu flash set up with 02 censor is not comparable to an ecu flash without one. This is now not apples to apples. If we do a comparo, we need sponsorship and we need to keep things fruit to fruit.

Hope everyone is doing well. Good to hear the flash thread is still well and good.

Sorry for the interruption...please continue.
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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/11/14 5:55 AM

MapShare was set up to help build a community around ECU flashing, you tend to get the best results when everyone is working towards the same goal i.e. to tune our bikes to go as fast as they can, the late model ZX10R guys have embraced the whole MapShare thing and they readily share the tunes they have put together and everyone learns from it, and no doubt they go faster as a result :)



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Wolfman



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/11/14 5:57 AM

Wool thank you.
To gain access they must purchase your product. Can I access this free to help me go faster on a thin budget???







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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/11/14 6:01 AM

Yes to gain access to the MapShares you need the underlying bin file for the model and obviously the tools to flash to your bike, The full package with everything you need for the 2012-2014 ZX14R is only $374.00 + shipping http://www.woolichracing.com/products/kawasaki/zx14r/2012/2012-kawasaki-zx14r-ecu-flashing.aspx#productTable



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Wolfman



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/11/14 6:01 AM

Everyone needs to earn an income. Wool this is your enterprise. No disrespect. But to access file share you must pay handsomely. So your tag line should include. If you pay, everyone can go fast. What about us every day riders that like to go fast and access shared files that have been uploaded by folks who want others to access this information free. Ie they paid and uploaded for others to use without and cost associated. Now that my friend is file sharing and not file paying. (;







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Wolfman



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/11/14 6:03 AM

Thanks for the link.
It's 400 amero which is close to 5 here!







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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/11/14 6:04 AM

But what would be the point in having the access to the files if you cant do anything with them? that does not make any sense?



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Wolfman



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/11/14 6:07 AM

You're right you must pay for the product!!!

Like the beetles IMAGINE someone bought the product and flashed ecu's for their friends free. Hmmm now that's file sharing. Ie I buy your product. Four of us split the cost. We access all files and download updated shares for 100 bones each. Now that is music to my ears!!!







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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/11/14 6:11 AM

yes of course that is possible, I am not sure how you thought it worked?!?! with the purchase of the package you receive 3 keys allowing you to flash 3 ECU's as many times as you want and additional ECU keys can be purchased as required.



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RE: Roman's Flash.
01/11/14 6:17 AM

Good honest write up Romans, thanks for sharing your thoughts!



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