I did a search for TRE and there are alot of older threads and opinions. It seems like a sensitive subject on here.

I have to ask though, with my current set up (Muzzy Teflon GP full system, Air Filter and a PCV)...will I benefit from a TRE?

I do get the decel pop right now but it is not severe.

Thanks!

Seller has no clue what he is selling.

Negative on your bike.

Is MATCH IS reading this?

Will that be about all you'd like to know kind of match the MATCH IS

Killa,

Get ready for basicspin your head off. It is way too simple in step. I just can't get ALL the steps figured or configured.

I can only go by what I read in shop manual abstract. Since this is basic old style as if Busa's Electronic ignition is Kawi's Digital ECU is an ECU.

Since the early 1980's, base setting says short this wire so you can set your timing plate. That same concept back then is more old style as if you can see the ignition's revolution changes.

First there was the little cup with two windows. Then the magnet to make that hall effect window open in the correct [quote]Full Advance[unquote]. That more had that saturation time at the coils then out the gate or out the window heads the spark.

Before the dyna sore there were points. The cup with window had no advance springs like the points style. Out the window that goes. Comes the vacuum or IAC or MAF sensor. Now, you open her USA in your chevrolet, you pop a paper clip in this connector opening, go back to the front of the car, set base timing. Go back to her sore ass, bend over, turn the key off at the column, pull the paper clip out at the connector under the glove box.

Now, did you sort of see what I just did with old electronic ignition timing for a car? Only thing is; the 14 is preset up the ass. No need to preset shit because everything has a preset resistance. Once that is broken, it is replaced.

This digital 14 is less busa old style, turn the key on. Is there a 00o or a o00? Well, it has to be set like this o0o. YOur TPS will now be in sync... Don't tell Kawi to eliminate that pinball waste my time with your antique electronics.

We are now in digital. ZIt is now in an ON/OFF self policing. It shows a code if the senor fails. No busa dial to set the tps. It sets that limp if out of spec or that base timing sets itself; no matter how I say it. It moves right up to full advance and now swing the distributor to time the car's engine.

Timing is set in that retard fast advance not smooth sending number as that of analog off the MAF or intake sensor. It all will go limp in that on/off, meaning, it is going to run rich and limp so it does not ping on load.

Will it stop the pop? Some. Why? Because it sets a hard and soft code setting. It sets an on or off kind of simple as that. Either you are on that stock, no code setting, or you will hit that hard code that pops a number in the gear select window.

If you watch that AFR meter video, I am moving those codes to limp, you can see the hard no pop = 16.5AFR
If you see it swing to 18 AFR, this is the stock soft setting.

16.5 = Rich
18 = Lean

16 = No pop with ignition in retard, limped rich so no ping being fat on load.
18 = Pop with more air less gas [fills that void] cooling off that bang to be heard.

TRE = Timing Retard Ex=tre Fork Diving LIMP out the tank rich @ full advance no matter what, they both hit the same [full] advance!

Sound logical and semi simple off Ivan's pimple?

TRE, TRE, TRE...............what is thatn ow? OH, yes- TRE, haven't heard that one for ages.

Never tried one of those deals but I am quite sure it will apply to your bike as much as any other 14. Thing is, most people forgot about that not long after 08. One type of TRE was for decl pop. The other was to open flies quicker. People just tsarted pulling flies and it was much better. In 08, Kaw improved the flies action so it became a lot less relavent. The decel pop, IDK if that is something most people want to eliminate via TRE because I believe it locks into gear mapping for Neutral and the gear indicator reads N 100% of the time. <<Check the the facts on that. As I indicated, it has been a long time since I have heard a discussion about TRE. You can get rid of ~ 33% of the decel pop by blocking PAIR or removing PAIR and installing block off plates.

* Last updated by: Rook on 5/20/2011 @ 3:55 AM *

Seller has no clue what he is selling.

hmmmmm

Sound logical and semi simple off Ivan's pimple?

I think you and Ivan are old buddies, shhhhhh. One can't live with out the other Lol

will I benefit from a TRE?

Faster fly opening with TRE-008

No Fuel Cut with TRE 006A = NO BACK FIRE.

I have had in and out many times.

In for me.

I think Hub has the resistor in play, shhhhhh, stock or death. c'mon hub,,,,do tell. I will get pics ROFL.

Thanks for all the information Hub. I am still as confused as before though. I guess there is no definitive answer huh?

Does the 2010 still have the same number of flies as the 06'/07?

It sounds like you can run the 008 and the 006 TRE together on a bike to serve two purposes? Is that correct?

The map I have on this bike now is sluggish down low. Is it the map or will a TRE help this. The local shop guy says it will...I dont really believe everything they say.

I am still in the break in period and cant really play with the map set ups I have though. I try to keep it below 5,000 RPM's.

I know I can make the front wheel power up at about 4,500 RPM's so the exhaust added alot of HP while cutting 28 pounds off her.

It is still not as responsive as I know it should be though.

Thanks again.

Does the 2010 still have the same number of flies as the 06'/07?

1 for each throttle body for each cylinder. There is another set of flies below the secondaries (the secondaries on top are what folks have been taking out). Same set up all years.
Secondaries in

Secondaries out

A fly

It sounds like you can run the 008 and the 006 TRE together on a bike to serve two purposes? Is that correct?

I dont think that is possible. Have never tried either 06 or 08 or the 35 cent resistor from Radio Shack....but never heard of both run together. Good question though.

The map I have on this bike now is sluggish down low. Is it the map or will a TRE help this.

A TRE for flies would not be something that would benefit the 08-present ZX-14. In fact, I really noticed little if any change after I removed the flies completely from my 08.

If it is genuinely sluggish, I think it is a map issue. Mine never felt sluggish but def weaker than 3K rpm and above. Nature of the beast. The days of 2 cycle street bikes are done, unfortunately but I'm sure even those were at their best somewhere above the low end of the powerband.

The best result I got was after one adjustment to my map (it was a flies in map and mine are out). I logged with Autotune for about a month an then accepted the changes. The power delivery was smoothened out. The surge at 3.5K went away almost completely. I think I can still feel it a tiny bit if I am on the gas hard from a dead stop but AFAIC, the surge is fixed. I don't know that the Autotune adjustments gave me much more power below 3.5 K but smoothed the delivery.

The local shop guy says it will...I dont really believe everything they say.

I am still in the break in period and cant really play with the map set ups I have though. I try to keep it below 5,000 RPM's.

I rode my busa up to redline in the first 20 minutes of riding. The breakin dos and don't are subject to all kinds of opinions nowadays.

I know I can make the front wheel power up at about 4,500 RPM's so the exhaust added alot of HP while cutting 28 pounds off her.
It is still not as responsive as I know it should be though.
Thanks again.

Getting a perfect tune may be important but going with a 45 tooth rear sprocket will get you a better response down low. The thing is you always have the upper revs to compare low end to and the upper revs are where you will have most power and torque. Nature of the beast.

* Last updated by: Rook on 5/20/2011 @ 7:51 AM *

It sounds like you can run the 008 and the 006 TRE together on a bike to serve two purposes? Is that correct?

No, there are two different TREs.

The TRE- 008 will allow your secondary throttle plates to open much Faster which = more responsive down low. The claim is that it tricks your ECU into thinking your in 6 TH gear all the time so the throttle plates open faster.

The TRE-006A simulates your bike in (N) so no Fuel cut at 3800 RPM and NO Back Fire. 006A is designed for bikes with throttle plates removed. CAN NOT, be used with plates in. Removing plates puts all early power in your wrist. Weeee

Remove and try. You can always put them back in. Some guys LOVE it(ME) and some like the smooth and slower on set of power. Play with it lots of fun. If your searching for power below 4500 this may exactly what your looking 4. I hope this helps. Cheers.

I am still in the break in period and cant really play with the map set ups I have though. I try to keep it below 5,000 RPM's.

'Sup to you. I babied mine and still have the leaky valve cover many others have complained about. It is fixable but a soft break in didn't prevent that.
I rode my busa up to redline in the first 20 minutes of riding. The breakin dos and don't are subject to all kinds of opinions nowadays.

Rook you beat me to it Lol.

I have been abusing mine from the time key was turned on. No break in. Lots of early oil changes. Not one Prob,,ok brakes lol.

Thanks for the responses! I appreciate them. I rode another 125 miles this morning and she is feeling better.

She is a little sluggish off the line but at 3000 RPM's...she wakes up.

I will have the secondary flies taken out today and see if there is a difference. Alot of it may be that I am getting off of a 08' CBR 1000. That may be the reason the 14 feels a little sluggish down low.

Alot of it may be that I am getting off of a 08' CBR 1000. That may be the reason the 14 feels a little sluggish down low.

Love the Mid range. Spent some time with that bike last year.

Change your gearing next.

Yes, pretty much some highly complicated if you can't follow that diagnostic tre with an E.

You'll be dealing with all the mods. I stay stock. Here is what that lag does. It smooths the air so both fuel and air blend together. Not the gas sticking to the wall and staying there. That lag is more to keep the initial flow matching so it slows that process via the second set of electronic blades.

Short the one wire, it closes down the subthrottles so you can't rev it. Notice I said the bike has a built-in limp for every sensor. They kind of go redundant so you feel nothing change when the sensor fails. So, like the one wire it codes N. The other wire codes 6.

Hundreds of backup maps for safe riding home. And that fat limp says; add a water bar for making more heat. More gas you throw on the fire, can you feel the heat flashback? Fan signals some water bar work. I just have to have my limp. LOL, yes, my mentor and I are INN sep EAR able if he comes back I'll yell in his fucking ear like MATCHis, when I cam for tro-pee work at his favorite yamamHAHAOhoHO!

EEheee = That laughing video just keeps rolling every fucking day dose it! I told some other website they 'ride like bus drivers." I'm heading over there now. You pay nice with Ivanow.

You pay nice with Ivanow.

Ya but who needs Explosions(back fire)in there 2000 dollar pipes. My (ok wife's)6R now has the dreaded backfire and I hate it. Should be a switch from Kawi. Fuel cut or no fuel cut for track days ?

Now that they have broke into the 14s ECU I'm sure it's a simple fix. Butttttt, cost 800 to find out.

From what I have gathered the TRE was a joke played upon bikers who were uneducated on modern motorcycle Fuel Injection and their need to buy gizmos to make them feel faster. It was a contraption that no one really could explain what it did, but you had to have one or you were missing out. I guess what you have to ask your self is why do I think I need one? And what is the air speed velocity of an unlaiden swallow?

......European or African?

And what is the air speed velocity of an unlaiden swallow?

......European or African?

Rofl, Well,,,,,what's the answer. Killing me here.

Hail to the King, Baby!

* Last updated by: Edgecrusher on 5/20/2011 @ 1:23 PM *

Rofl, perfect. Long Time No see.

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I cleaned it up a little, MATCH IS... Everyone is equal in my eyes. I only feel sorry for my keyboard and monitor.

I did not take the flies out. I changed the map and she feels like a different bike. Good power from 1000 RPM's on up. Will work until I can get a custom map done.

Sounds like a winner. 1000 on up seems decent. Keep toning. I don't see it as tuning anymore. Too much electrics that smooths the spark out. I don't expect you to see that concept unless we were one on one, then you'd go, oh yeah, that's why?!

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