One thing I'll say about the Concours Owners Group (COG), they are a bunch of technical nerds for sure.

Here's a link to a tech post at COG, with videos showing the effect of the Guhl C14 Reflash on the C14 secondary butterfly. Complete with realtime sensor showing butterfly position, A/F ratio, etc.

There are only 2 mandatory mods I am doing when I get my C14. 1) MCcruise electronic cruise control, and 2) Guhl Reflash ECU.

Guhl Reflash video

Videos start halfway down page 1

* Last updated by: privateer on 10/18/2011 @ 4:37 AM *

More information about re-flashing ECUs....

Dynotronics ( Dynotronics Tuning ) has a better ECU image to flash to the C14 ECU. Especially for the 2012.

It tweaks the A/F map, the secondary butterfly map (really opens them super early and keeps them open all the way to rpm limit), the ignition map, removes the speed and rpm limiter, etc.

I'm sure they would do a 2012 ZX14 ECU if enough people bugged them about doing one. Heh.

When I get my C14, I'm going to run it dead stock for a season. Depending on what I think then, I think a Dynotronics re-flash will be #1 on my list.

Dynotronics Tuning charges the same as Gulh does. They just do more in the ECU. And they claim (don't know if true) they broke the C14 ECU code first, and that Gulh is using their image map. Could be, the DT ECU flash image is more advanced than the Gulh.

"Caution: Mini dyno on board" should be the next toy with my next bike. Would that be cool to put dynojet out of business? Put Vetter out of business GL style. Yes, I understand the dividend type of bond issue, meaning, you WOT the throttle, the dividend payout is minimal 0.7v. Lift off of the throttle, that goes to 0, that sends in one number, watt was it?; 4.?v's?

For every 0 to 100 X, there is the divide by the Y lookey there, digital sequential fire. Not parallel fire like you said. Why do you think 1bad found out about that one sequential dropping lean? Or, going lean? Not following the sequence? Maps, like lots of maps are now in a fire zone and see that is not one number after the other over the old style of fire I forget the terms.

Right now, we are digital sequential fire. I'll start the fire and smoke this place up, where is that guy with the mini? He's not even tuning that bike yet. Gimme a fucking brake pad up the rear end... Use mine, I have two sets all take off or pulled away from the disc kiss thrower... Dogo? Pee Scent the smokebombsayway!

Christian Piasini is in my address contacts. We've discussed the 14 when all this began. Remember, this was all new. Christian was doing auto, then saw an opportunity to flashithe same shit on the generic. Get it? It's all the same crap is tune me up. I take a thumbdrive kind of make my own map. Insert it into the handheld, click burn this flash me tune. Cup full of mornings later, the ecu is back.

Do my pucks fit right to you? Let me bend over and check for me, will ya?

Get closer. No, real close. Catch my breath is even better. Now, here comes the smoke me 02

Imgine, 3 hoursleep, I'm on my 6th cuppa cough fee. BRB Getting another cup.

You guys are laying it think over there. Might asswell make it a party. Get Frank in here. I'm going to waste some stink in here like a parts book.

Fucking clowntown year ass is. You know I have to do dis to you, right?

I'm going to set your nose up to my face and you are going to smell some foul 02. If you step back from me, howell can that 02 sniff now? Who the fuck is coming up wit dishit?

Short of breath can you say I won't melt if I am ass close to your face is face it! Who has the better sniff? Face to face no melt my prong, or I set the 02 in the next county down the road or down the pipe?

WTF you bringing my name into this for, Hub... The whole flash thing lost it's luster to me. It just drug on and on w/o any payout for far too long. I'm content rolling around in the slop with the other piggys.

That said, I've only monitered AFR's... never tapped into any factory sensors. That COG vid makes me wanna get to splicing... His setup is SWEET!

Did you see that one senor breath? Bouncing back and forth? 101010 kind of one map, this map, one map, this map. That says map change. That says if you had a tall building with windows and a light in the room, switch one light OFF, turn the other one down stairs ON and to the right grid we X the Y. The other clicks and moves to another grid call. That layer is that 3-D grid you see on that slop of the ride up in heat anshit.

The lambda showed the window positions for that fire stroke. If you want some tune, lambda goes closer to the spit out the valve. You wash it out with the sequence of the other collector happening with that cylinder that felt the first cold snap thru the tunnel.

I want 4 lambda reads, not one. I want to see each 02 spitting out the same number I work the air screws. Someone has the abstract wrong and it needs mud, shit, the worst smell on it so you do not go there. Were we going now? 4 lambda close to my breath or out in the room to monitor watt now? WATT? WATT?

Did you see the latest Eddie WATT he said video? The guy owns a dealershit and he has no clue about the 02 when I asked about all those 02 on each header so close to the head. He would not answer. Why? He had no clue why they were there. And he races? Does that look like comp pee tissue please. I'm cracking up laughing too hard.

* Last updated by: Hub on 10/21/2011 @ 10:36 AM *

Flash is hard set without a code, right? If you are in 1, then that is soft like stock. If you click to 0, that abstract says hard set. There are so many 1's and 0's and 3amigos that walk in the absolute. You are either hard in flash or soft in stock mode.

If they do not write a grid number, just move to hard = Bingo! Watt is the difference in soft if there are the maps made by the factory, then all you can do is switch to either one. One runs in the analog with all those numbers breathing in the sensors, meaning, the others play a mechanical move. The air sensors play a vacuum move of the earth breathing or that 29.2? back and forth for the day's pressure. No clouds? No chemical change like it's getting wetter/better move a mapiss crap.

I pull a sensor, that is what is considered flash without the code/limp. 3amigos, right?:

1. Soft- Analog
2. Hard - Analog
3. Method - Divide low/hi = A sensor dropped out in their soft or hard abstract somewhere?
4th Dimension. Pull a sensor off, I bet it flashes FI. If you are in the hard, where is there to go but in method. Page 3-43 ~ Top of page. Unless you can explain it some other way that walks like the book walks. Walk it or shit on it.

* Last updated by: Hub on 10/21/2011 @ 11:20 AM *

Can anyone turn off the FI flashing? Then, is it in method or are we using sensor? I can't ask the programmers/EE's. I have to follow watt you say and that book abstract. If things come in 3wV as that code page; if the 3A's don't have you in the side of the road... Are we seeing a 3 ring circus we do not follow some sort of gotta make it speak.

No one is speaking it. Unless someone can explain it better than the book, my AFR, the 2 open and closed loop bikes in my possession just so they answer some of my questions, not this parallel points style. That is parallel fire. Same ol' spark box now. Those had advancers.

Say, after all was said and done with the 1980's and that spark box with the electronic advance set = No adjustment. Didn't a fuel jet change do wonders? So, no ignition change, just more gas. How much gas is coming out my ass I say there is the more air mentality and the same air farm group.

I pointed out the basics so you walk it, not step in it. I said, "Show me more air in a glass filled with the 3A's = Solid-liquid-gas? If I left the glass on the table, meaning, do not touch the advance, did I not add liquid to the glass? Was that a displacer for fuel [or air]? If I have no fuel, but spark and compression I do, I think that says the ratio has changed to zero fuel.

If I add more liquid to the glass, is that not like a jet change, more went in than air? Did we add MORE? I think we added more gas than air and it fired with more energy. But, was that not the SAME no matter how you look at how that glass was filled? Even in the static, that glass is filled full of air. Will the engine start?

If you can't get on the same page with SAME... Shit on the MORE AIR Mentalities! You went zero tuning. You are not there yet. Bring the shit loads of loads if you understand a clue here. You need to know the basic bottom line shit before you open that page to that surface abstract that dose not talk about glass filling basics MORE OR LEANless>

* Last updated by: Hub on 10/21/2011 @ 11:40 AM *

I just made a batch. Cool the place down. Cody was up COOTS/Privvy/blues is ass is grass is. Can't take the heat? Every site the same blank stare. I ask to talk it and WATT next? Silence.

Do we need a timeout?

COOT = Warp valves with all that heat in the pipe? Who you gonna believe, his walk or the science?
Privvy = Brings in some guy that sends his ecu off and where is the cruise AFR for a connie no less? Bring Frank with you so we can settle this once and for all?
blue = Schooled me? Was not that the other way around? Did that parts page walk like someone is clueless over at mother manual? And the bike came from the same paper mill if they wrote the book, I think they can build a bike.

I'm telling you... If I nailed the science and cold air never makes it in a dragster's pipe, can we conclude my balls are not sweating over it.
See my skirt fly up my plumber cleavage, I ask about flash and this guy is saying well, we won't say and say I say what he knows is like that 02 taking a sniff over at Ed's place. Sent in a flash for map 2? Shuts off the analog? Goes method?

See how it stops? Then if it goes to the a-N, where is the 02's backup if you shut the so called analog off. Back to ON/OFF. Either ON/OFF/Fail-Safe goes the 3 window loop. If you are not in soft, then hard. Show me the failed sensor and did the map go back to map 1? See how generic it does not compute?

We flash ON/OFF/Period. A thumb drive is inserted, a new map is made... Talking about the factory that has all that code number to get in, then, can reflash a driveability stumble/etc. No matter what is in place, does the flash wipe out everything and write over it like you see the video spike? Yes.

So, in a way, I am flashing my camera's video tape. Wipe every thing off that tape and here is the updated map, got back in, had to set all the hard clicks back on. Press save. Flashed in the hard dee har har. How close did I get if I say same liquid in the glass is full. YOu say more water is in the glass but can't prove a drop of evidence.

* Last updated by: Hub on 10/21/2011 @ 4:30 PM *