Well...my new stand arrived today...a Heindl.Watched the youtube vid...followed that for lifting the bike and all...by God...it works...and works GREAT!Since I had it up there...figured..may as well check the steering head bearing movement...jacked her up at the oil pan a bit...front tire cleared easy...checked everything...perfect!All good.It's a killer stand and VERY easy to use.HIGHLY recommend.Going to be excellent for removing the front wheel or forks or whatever....Fit and finish...very professional.Very well made.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/31/2014 @ 10:51 PM *

Yep, no complaints here after 5 years. Still the safest and easiest to lift the rear. The Abba looks just as good if not better in some ways.

I steer clear of jacking under the oil pan though. A lot of people do that but the chance of bending the oil pan is a risk. A swing arm pivot stand makes that a lot less likely but I still use a steering pivot stand to lift the front. I hang the front with a tiedown strap under the airbox to check the steering.

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LOL!!..that's one of the reasons I got this thingy.To have the front clear of a stand!!!!You funny RooksterLOL!!!!

"chance of bending the oil pan is a risk"...shit man....how high are you jacking the front up?????.Scissor jack...block of wood....raise about 1"...all goodLOL!!!Sheesh!The chassis rocks backwards that one inch(it still can lean back like 3 inches before the tire contacts the ground)...so it not like it's pushing up the motor or something....LOL!!!

Hate to say it Grn, should've got the ABBA. With the Front Lift Arm, there's no oil pan jacking or front wheel stands. Unless Heindl revised their pivot stand this isn't possible.

Don't get me wrong, the ABBA's not a perfect product. But it does so much for a very reasonable price. Here's a pic of where I'm at on my exhaust install and some other maintenance.

That's a nice stand there Vic...but I have to ask...for one...what's that beam running under that left side there.And two....since our pivots are in the same spot...you still have to raise the front end by jacking under the bike either at the header outlet pipes...or the pan.There's no getting around that.The bike(I know...I tried)will not just easily rock back on it's back wheel to work on the front(clearing the ground that is).The weight is forward of the pivot shaft.

You paid how much for yours?(if ya don't mind me askin?).I paid 249.00.ONE pit bull stand costs that,or close to it).

Looking at your pic there...it appears your rear tire is clearing the ground by an inch or so.If you balance yours onto the back wheel...the front forks(with the wheel on)are not going to extend all the way out and still clear the floor(??)...basically...meaning..you still need to raise the front from somewhere if you're gonna check your steering components for free movement.Am I wrong in this assumption?If that's true...then you MAY have a hard time getting a simple scissorjack angled in there with that beam running along there?Mine is totally open on both sides...and...front and back.Using a small jack doesn't put any force to speak of on the underside....it raises very easy and only about 1/2" to clear the front tire from the floor.The rear has plenty of room to drop down onto the tire.I think it's about a 3" drop or so...maybe a shade more?

I does look like the Heindl is raising the bike higher overall.(at the pivot point).

IDK...maybe it's the angle of the pic or something...but that beam there looks mighty close to sitting UNDER the oil pan area...close...but not like totally under it.????Course,one could always lift under the headers....that wouldn't hurt anything just getting the chassis to rock back on the rear.If you HAD to raise the front higher however...the rear wheel would be on the ground...so the lifting weight would now be...the weight of the bike as the rear suspension compressed.That wouldn't be too good if you were lifting under the headers.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/1/2014 @ 1:40 PM *

LOL!!..that's one of the reasons I got this thingy.To have the front clear of a stand!!!!You funny RooksterLOL!!!!

It's the best stand I have for doing that. I just lift it with the Heindl and then a front stand. Then I wrap a tie down strap under the airbox and remove the front stand to check steering. Reverse procedure to lower the bike.

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That's a nice stand there Vic...but I have to ask...for one...what's that beam running under that left side there.

Tha't the thing you don't get. That beam is how the front tire is lifted off the ground! It's only used when needing/wanting to lift the front tire. As you see my bike here both tires are off the ground.

And two....since our pivots are in the same spot...you still have to raise the front end by jacking under the bike either at the header outlet pipes...or the pan.

Incorrect as noted above.

You paid how much for yours?(if ya don't mind me askin?).I paid 249.00.ONE pit bull stand costs that,or close to it).

No I don't mind at all. The base stand which allows the rear to be lifted is $250. This is specific to a model of bike and includes the pins for the bike you initially selected. With a $25 kit (swingarm removal kit), the base stand can also allow the swingarm to be removed. The base stand is adaptable to other sportbikes by purchasing different adapter pin kits (if necessary) for $40. So the base stand can be used with ANY sport type bike (CBR, N1000, 650R, etc.), but like Pit Bull spools they might be different bike to bike or manufacturer to manufacture.

I'm not sure if the Heindl adapts to all sportbikes, but the ABBA does. But I know it doesn't allow for swingarm removal.

Accessories include the Front Lift Arm (which you see here) which adds $50 (package deal). All in all, for the base stand (includes the ZX-14 adapter pins), the front lift arm, the swingarm reemoval kit (this literally allows the bike to be tore down to the frame) I have $370 in it at the door (shipped).

There's even a roller stand which can be used with the base stand part (doesn't work with the front lift arm) that allows the bike to be moved around. But it's kind of salty, $250. Would be better if the front lift arm worked with it.

.. everything else which is based on misunderstanding what you're seeing here

Hopefully with the above clarifications it all makes more sense now. Nope, no jacks needed.

As I said, it's not a perfect product but it's damn good. Like anything you're lifting 500 lbs with it's not idiot proof but it's pretty damn safe.

* Last updated by: VicThing on 11/15/2014 @ 8:00 AM *

I bought an ABBA stand after reading Vic's post. Had an initial problem because they didn't ship the adapters with the stand, they came 4 days later.

The stand is a simple "one man" operation, very stable and EASY to use, especially stable when taking bike off the stand. Would buy another one in a heart beat!!!

Think Vic has a video showing how easy it is to use. They have a video on their website if I remember right.

GREAT product!!!

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Okay...yup...watched your vid there...I see how you're doing it.Few more steps I guess than the Heindl..maybe not once ya get used to it;)You're fitting a bar and a strap to raise the front...I'm sliding a scissorjack and lifting...sa'll good...again...good vid and good stand it looks like to me.

I'm not sure if the Heindl adapts to all sportbikes, but the ABBA does.

The Heindle will adapt to any size swing arm pivot hole. Seems like the Abba would also if they made a long, tapered pin like the Heindl. Only problem is that with the Heindl pin, if the Swing arm hole is sorta big, the uprights will be sorta close to the fairings. My busa just barely clears the fairing....it actually touches when the bike is set back on the sidestand with the Heindle still attached.

But I know it doesn't allow for swingarm removal.

No. I don't see how the swing arm could be removed as long as the bike is supported in the swing arm pivot. I Don't see how the Abba allows for the swing arm to be removed either..unless there is an attachment that supports the bike under the frame allowing the swing arm pivot pins to be removed.

That's a nice stand. I may get one when I need to remove a swing arm...either that or go all the way to a hydraulic lift. Those are amazing...but expensive. Definitely something you buy only if you know you have many years of wrenching ahead of you.

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"Definitely something you buy only if you know you have many years of wrenching ahead of you."

Or more money than sense!

The swing arm removal kit actually replaces one of the footpeg hanger bolts with an adapter on each side. Instead of lifting on the swingarm pivot the stand now lifts on the footpeg hanger bolt, this allows the swingarm axel to be removed. Pretty simple when you look at it.

* Last updated by: Rktsled on 11/1/2014 @ 8:04 PM *

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Ahhhhh!

I could see making some swing arm removal adapters for the heindl. Just drill a couple steel plates with bolt holes and pin holes, then bolt them to the frame in place of the foot peg bracket. Of course it would take some thinking and measuring. I can't believe Heindl doesn't just figure this out and offer it for $70, $80.

Every time I come up with one of these ideas, I always think I should do it. Oh well.

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I prefer the ABBA Sky Lift:

http://abbastands.co.uk/product-detail.asp?item=sky-lift&pid=44

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That's what I was talking about. Now that is cool! There was another similar lift I saw on Vic's Product review thread of the Abba. I like those but lots of money.

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The skylift is $900, basically a high end solution. The Super Bike stand is mid-range, like the Heindl. Skylift would be super, especially and maybe but only if someone works on bikes a lot. But having it would come with one disadvantage for someone like me. It would be more difficult to store away as it doesn't disassemble like the Super Bike stand. The ability to store the Super Bike stand in a small out of the way location for me is one of it's best points.

One things for sure, I definitely like how pivot stands work. If I hadn't found the ABBA, I would've went with a Heindl.

I like that skylift...only...I wouldn't feel too secure working around my bike with it lifted like that...14's pretty hefty.

I'd look into it. I think I saw some info on the size of bike can can be lifted on that and it was pretty big...if I remember.

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Skylift handles 14s and Busa's no problem.

Even so...that's a pretty good amount of weight being supported by those floor legs.How would it do IF...you were moving it across a workspace and ya hit a wrench or something and she stopped dead.IDK....Maybe far fetched...but things like hitting objects with a stand's wheel DOES happen.

...lol better roll it slow! For a lift that big, it would be nice to have wheels just to drag it into the corner of the garage when done but IDT i'd be rolling it much witha bike on it.

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I got to get one of those like GRN has

I have the cheap kind and have to sometimes beg the fiancé to help me every time I need to raise the bike

I've had my bike up and down several times on the ABBA which requires NO assistance, super easy to use.
I would buy another one in a heartbeat, plus you can buy adapters for just about any bike. As an engineer I'm really impressed with the simplicity and ease of use with the ABBA, wish I had thought of it!

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As I see it, A big plus of the heindl is it will apply to any bike due to the cone shaped pins

but with the Abba have to buy separate fittings for whatever bike you currently have (or more fittings for your second bike if you have two bikes) that's the drawback, but the font end lifting is a big plus. But then again that's another hundred dollars to raise the front end.

And with the bike on the Heindl, due to the pivot point, isn't the front end then easily raised with very little effort? Can't you raise the front by hand and put a wooden block under it to hold it up?

* Last updated by: ZX14MAN64 on 11/13/2014 @ 7:44 PM *

Yes you do have to buy seperate adapters but they are bike specific, very secure, easy to change, and not that expensive.

You do have to buy the front wheel lift separate but it is worth it. With the lift you can raise the front end to remove the wheel, forks, or whatever else very easily, plus it is very stable.

Both stands are well built quality stands, guess it just boils down to what you want and if you need to be able to work on the front end. I will admit to being partial to the ABBA but would not hesitate to buy a Hindle either!

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As I see it, A big plus of the heindl is it will apply to any bike due to the cone shaped pins

Not as much as it seems. ABBA probably could've designed a universal pin too, and it could work the same way as the Hindle. However, when you see how the ABBA pins are engineered to fit into each side of the swingarm bolt/nut you will see why it is actually superior.

but with the Abba have to buy separate fittings for whatever bike you currently have (or more fittings for your second bike if you have two bikes) that's the drawback, but the font end lifting is a big plus. But then again that's another hundred dollars to raise the front end.

Actually this isn't necessarily true, many bikes use the same pins. But just like spools used with a lot wheel stands, different pins may be needed for the best and most secure use of the stand.

And with the bike on the Heindl, due to the pivot point, isn't the front end then easily raised with very little effort? Can't you raise the front by hand and put a wooden block under it to hold it up?

This makes me wonder if you understand the ABBA stand is a pivot stand too? You do understand this right? AFAIK there's only one swingarm bolt on a bike, so naturally they would both use the same location. Granted, the geometry could be a little different but probably not much overall (one might be slightly closer to the floor or something).

No, there is actually quite a bit of weight still on the front end. Someone that could lift up the front of a bike could probably lift it while on the pivot stand.

Don't be afraid to do some research on your own. I can try to explain it to you, but you obviously have a difficult time accepting what I have to say about it.