That is the question.....

I bought a 2012 used last August. tune/slip on/power commander V I'll just get to the point and say I was thinking about flashing the bike until I noticed that my bike "remembers" which traction control mode I left it in after I turn her off. After doing research I realized that this is one of the benefits to flashing a zx14r. So I ask, is my motorcycle potentially flashed?

Also I took off the garbage voodoo pipes it had on it and have full brocks waiting to be put on when it warms up a bit in Jersey. I obviously will have to do something about the tune on the power commander, the bike runs very well, just has a very rough idle and is noticeably tuned. May just get something from brock's until I can dyno tune it at Washington Cycles in the spring. Do many people here have a power commander AND flash on their bike????

PS: I lost the original owners number like a moron or i'd ask him...

* Last updated by: 2012smurf on 1/29/2015 @ 10:07 AM *

Easy way to check to see if it has been flashed is to look at the Ecu under the rear seat. If its been flashed there will most likely be a sticker on the ECU from flasher. Also you can download Power commander software to your pc and read the map loaded into you PC5. Map file may also have a name it. Stock Unflashed ECU will always revert back to factory setting when restated if changed.

If it's remembering the last settings(put in by you)..it's been flashed...no getting around that.Another way to check this...what's the limiter kicking in at on the rpms?Though this may not have been 'flashed' in a flash.Are the rpms limiting at the factory amount?Or higher.Can you switch any of the power/ktrc settings while you're rolling?It shouldn't if it's stock.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/29/2015 @ 10:42 AM *

I've honestly shifted at red line and haven't tried changing any power/ktrc on the fly but I def will. Now on a flashed bike can I change power/ktrc while IN GEAR rolling? And i'm assuming STOCK bikes have to be in neutral to do so? What i do know for a fact is that when I first got the bike I left it KTRC 2 for the first few 100 miles till I got to know the bike and it remembered it every time I turned off and turned back on. I also assume it would switch to KTRC mode 1 every time i turned it off and back on if it were stock?

my stock ECU remembers my settings if it's 1 or 2 and full or low setting. I ride all the time in 1 and F and it comes on every time, except if I set it to the off setting. If I turn the ignition off it reverts back to my last setting before I turned traction off.

That's something I can try in my garage. I'll go home after work and turn ktrc off, turn the bike off, then turn the bike back on and see what it says.

Cant remember what my stock ECU did with TC numbers, I always had it on F off anyways LOL !

I honestly don't think I have ever ridden my bike with KTRC on.

^^^That exactly. Even in the rain I leave it off. Other than seeing how it contained a wheelie once (poorly), I leave that shit up to me.

I did once just to see what would happen. It killed the fun, so off it went.

I've only ridden in FUCK OFF. Full power and traction off. This includes my December 16 ride 2014 in and out of Toronto with light flurries and black ice.

If it's flashed an easy test would be to run it past 300. As stock Ecu cuts before 301kph

Well...if you leave it in KTRC 1 when you shut it off...on the stock ECU...it will default to '1'...so that's not a good check.Trying to confirm a flashed ECU by hitting the top speed limiter isn't a good way either...it may not be flashed to raise the limiter...these flashing packages don't HAVE to have all these things changed...ya'll know that.

In reality...most flash deals will include...raising the top speed limiter.Raising the redline limiter.Allowing the user settings for Ktrc to remain as set when turned off and back on.Allow the KTRC and/or power modes to be changed while moving.Those are the basic packages out there.Timing...stuff like that you wouldn't particularly notice unless you had ridden it BEFORE those were changed.But for sure...if it's defaulting back,it most likely isn't flashed...that's the primary choice of almost all riders.Some will flash to be able to switch modes while on the fly...others won't....so that's no real confirmation.The KTRC default change is the most wanted.From what I've gleaned reading about what guys mostly wanted.

Blkcasper mentioned about the ECU having the flasher's sticker on there...it most likely would have that on there....or something from the guy who did it.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/29/2015 @ 6:59 PM *

I thought KTRC stayed in the mode you previously selected unless you have it turned off, then it will revert to Mode 1.....????

Trying to confirm a flashed ECU by hitting the top speed limiter isn't a good way either...

Why not. You won't hit 340 on a stock Ecu.
I remember on my stock Ecu every time I turned it off it would come off FOFF.

"Why not. You won't hit 340 on a stock Ecu"...who saying 340?.You're saying this assuming the top speed limiter has been reset.What if it hasn't?What I'm saying is...these flashes are not the same in every bike.Say a guy sends his ECU out to someone he knows...okay...maybe that flash guy is afraid to raise the limiter cause he really isn't positive it won't blow at some point...so he leaves that alone.But flashes say...the default modes.I'm just saying...the commonest flash reprogram that MOST guys talked about when wanting one was the ability to have the KTRC setting remain where it was last set by the operator.No defaulting back to factory.Some guys don't care about the top speed limiter...they don't plan on going there.As for raising the rpm limiters...most guys want that also.That's why I said...even a flashed bike could appear 'unflashed' by trying certain things and not seeing something different(like a 186 MPH limiter cut)..yet it could display a higher rpm setting along the redline.These flash guys...they ask what ya want done...they don't just automatically start changing stuff unless that's been made clear by the operator.My experiences anyway...with FOUR flash guys.PROS I might add.

Aussie said.."I thought KTRC stayed in the mode you previously selected unless you have it turned off, then it will revert to Mode 1..."...nope...cycling the key will cause it to default to '1' regardless of where it was set beforehand.

The original question was..."After doing research I realized that this is one of the benefits to flashing a zx14r. So I ask, is my motorcycle potentially flashed?"...and I say.. yes...but that doesn't mean it's had all the settings flashed.Blk casper had really the best answer to this deal...the merchant sticker that could be on there...and then...a phone call to him asking about the ECU...if he could remember the bike it came from....which in this case would be difficult.A name of the owner would clarify what was done to it...without that in this case...you might never REALLY know what was flashed and what wasn't..if anything.It has a PCV on it...with tune and all..possibly the same person who set up the PC also flashed the bike when doing all that.If you could find out who did all that...you might find out what was flashed.But you DO know at this point..someone did flash the Default KTRC program....and probably some other stuff in there as well.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/29/2015 @ 9:16 PM *

I would test this way for a flash.
1. Walk out to the bike, turn key on, toggle to F-off.
2. Turn key off and back on.
3. F-off remains on it is flashed.
4. F-1 defaults back from F-off it is not flashed.

Yes-No, you cannot change modes while the wheel is turning. Run 2 mph or less to toggle to F-off or other modes. Yes, I think I may have toggled to another program while on the fly, but only worked that one time and could not remode while moving and trying the mode switch again.

I suggest to inspect your ECU for a sticker. This should take about 15-20 minutes start to finish. Remove seat, remove tool bag, unbolt the tool box, unplug the relay and ECU, remove ECU. Contact the flasher and see if they need any additional information that can help you identify the exact modifications done to the ECU.

Flashing an ECU is completely configurable as far as what ECU settings are changed. Even the retain last traction control setting is a feature that can be turn on or left off. Some flashers offer very basic services, like for $50 raise rev limiter and remove top speed (or one, or others etc.) It's even possible to flash the ECU and literally not change anything. Not saying that makes much sense, but it's possible.

Maybe it's an Australian spec thing but mine stays in KTRC 2 when I turn it off and back on again.. Only defaults to KTRC 1 when in KTRC OFF and motor is turned off and on again.

ive ridden with ktrac on, just to get a feel for how it works, totally kills the bike when you go airbourne over a hump,
i ended up spending my time trying to keep the ktrac activation meter full for as long as possible, its very difficult to try and keep one eye on the meter and two eyes on the curve at the same time! i would not recommend it, except for the fun factor, all carried out in the name of research

What TC activation meter??

On a stock ECU If you set it to 2 it will come back to 2 even after you have switched ignition off. It's only when you turn traction to off that it reverts to F and 1 when turning the ignition on. It must be a default Kwakka setting.
It's a pain in the ass to keep turning it to off, so for normal riding I will stay in F1, if it's a fast run with mates then it's off.
I am looking at a Woolich flash for February. That's what I can find available locally here. I'm not keen on sending my ECU away and then if there are any hassles that I can't get it sorted out without sending it back half way around the world.
I know it's not the origonal thread but on this vein what features is there available for a Woolich flash.

"What TC activation meter??"...when you have Ktrc on...lets say...on 3 for instance...when you hit the throttle and it starts intervening...look at the lower right hand bar window...along the bottom of the right side of the display...black blocks begin to move across the display from right to left..that shows the Ktrc and how much it's kicking in.I say 'three' because that's the MOST sensitive mode for Ktrc to start activating.In KTRC '1'...you won't see that bar graph activate very much....unless she's slipping at the back wheel...(or front when lofting)...when it starts sputtering...look at the graph...you'll see the dark blocks going across...

Aussie said..."Maybe it's an Australian spec thing but mine stays in KTRC 2 when I turn it off and back on again.."...you know...I never tried that with my stock ECU...so now I'll never knowLOL.If yours is doing that...it is then.

I seem to remember though..with any setting I had my stock one on...whenever I recycled the ignition...it defaulted to F-1.Don't think I ever rode in any other setting except one time...I tried the three settings just to see what it would do performance wise.Once.I always rode(ride)with it off.Correction..since getting her flashed by C...I have ridden in KTRC1 several times....but usually I don't.

Someone with a stock ECU here in the states should check this deal out for us...just to clarify things here.

Untamed said..."On a stock ECU If you set it to 2 it will come back to 2 even after you have switched ignition off."...both of you have the EURO models...they could be different.

Mine is flashed to remember the last setting...so my checks won't work.I THINK the power mode might be changeable when moving....but not the KTRC.Although that CAN be corrected(changed)with a flash.I'll try it when I ride next...see if it will change...but I seem to remember I did try that...and it wouldn't.On my 2012 with the Guhl flash...it DID allow switching the KTRC while riding.I remember that cause I thought at the time...'THIS is VERY cool'.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/30/2015 @ 8:01 AM *

Thanks Grn, never knew that.

Yer welcome;)

GRN14, sorry to harp on KTRC settings, just clarifying because I haven't had the bike long and get a little concerned if it seems something is amiss!