I'm sure a ton of people are going to say get "CBLASTED". I personally went with a PCV, Ivan's map (bought the exhaust, PCV, etc from him) which was a good start, I then added an Auto-Tune which has made a big difference.

I like the PCV/Autotune for 3 reasons, firstly, when I modded my bike, this wasn't available, so the only choice I had was a PCV.

Secondly, guys like CBlast are really smart, know what their doing, probably have a great map, but it wasn't developed on my bike, in my area, for my riding. The PCV/AT will customize the map for me but... you gotta know (or in my case), learn a fair bit about how an engine works, which is the other reason I went with the PCV/AT, I like to learn and tinker.

IMO:
CBlast is cheaper & easier, just not as "perfect" as possible (but that's probably splitting hairs at some point).

PCV/AT appeals if you plan on changing bikes or want to get your hands dirty.

There's a few reasons why a ton of people will say get CBLASTED. One of those being Sebastian's relentless pursuit of perfection on the dyno and in our ECUs. His passion and desire to truly unlock the complete potential of each and every machine that he interacts with is truly inspiring. I can say from experience that the CBLAST flash is a beast on the top end and the low to mid range changes will blow you away on the street. I promise that. If you do nothing else I ask that you give Sebastian a call and let him convince you. You won't be disappointed. While it is true that ET doesn't impress everyone, this ticket achieved with a factory swing arm and a CBLAST flash is hard to ignore.

Everything Nightmare said, word for word.

If you flash, you can still play around with the AFR using a PC5 and Autotune. The only question is: "will you?" I haven't even started to get into that yet and I've had the setup for about the last 5 years.

I'm going flashless for now because I plan to tune for nitrous which will require a whole different tuning regimen for AFR and timing. Once I get that down, I might flash my Gen1 to get the rev limiter up for kicks but that's about the only flash benefit for my bike.

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What Maverick said. Go with the Cblast flash and never look back. Not only did he provide me with a spot on tune, but he helped me sort out my suspension, answered any and every question I've ever had, and he is a great friend to me in situations that have nothing to do with these bikes at all.

His passion for bikes in general is on a level I have never seen in my life. You won't regret it.

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Flash tune scenario:

JoeF ~ Flashes at said temp/altitude/pressure of the day is where they live.
JoeA ~ Buys a flash only and here we are with a set for temp/alt is now a limited tune.
JoeAT ~ Sets up autotune and now the algo numbers begin to compute to said air pressure/temp/alt= Save!
JoeN1/4M ~ Where Joe Novice 1/4mile racer took a stock ECU, I do not care what mods, listen to the times it ran with a stock ECU.

Conclusion?

Flash alone ~ 1/2 a tune.
Flash w/autotune ~ Better Tune.
OEM stand alone ~ Remove paper wrapper from straw; find orifice in penis and insert straw; blow in proportion to inflate size balls of Nickey. Test ride till balls beat auto/flash.

Returnedebrief ~ "I don't know, but it seems I lost top end"; said one flashed member here on this forum.

OE debrief ~ Without the bullshit, this is a yes or no answer. Did the OE come close to a flash, even using a pig, did this certain bike outperform 155mph, match it, or is down on mph? That's 2 yeses it matched/beat, or 1 no, did not come close.

Ivan's Tune = Mr. Smoothy. Ivan is not after high end numbers, but a street-able performer. Ivan is a dual duty cycler. You get the same sort of flash with all those parameters disabled, plus a map in a pcv. Autotune is that you have to add the 02 into the header to read the AFR and that kit is extra.

Cflash = The generic downside to flashing is that the parameters are in this (whoever is the flasher) environment and the variables are locked into that day no matter how many tests, it is not your day, your humidity blowing those molecules at said heat, said HP.

Don's Setup = This is where I pull up, "The Hand" who has done the homework, is the consistent lever leaver at the clock, leaves those numbers behind and all I did was add up the numbers and Don's numbers are the beater of that test. I'd have Vic explain the numbers as to why and take both our junk science with a grain of salt.

Pulling Straws: So, meat puppet has some balls is it takes balls to ride a stocker and wait for those numbers of that puppy.

You have to think:
1. Do I want turnkey? (Mav)
2. Do I want to work at it? (Nightmare)

The Benchmark:
Hands down, you need to see who does their homework? So, once the purchase is made, what can you conclude?
I throw the high tech shit right over your head. I am the 'Limp Chaser' so I have to think octal is base8. 0 to 7. 4 pins in, 4 pins out. Who is year daddy decimal!?

So here you see a stock bin map and the cells are in octal. That's the formula. Someone uses decimal, cannot see a popup about being out of spec, 'we +/- that whole column it's not going to compute' is this certain, 'I lost the top power' is it sure sounds like a limp, quacks like a limp, OEM is not in limp and someone should pepper those results here so it's peppered all over this forum. Those are your benchmark numbers.

So Mav, Smoke knows about that number of the stock ECU rider's times. What was his best time again so I can rest my case?

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I ran the Brocks Flash 2 with the PC5 with Brocks street map for 2 years. It's not even close in my book. The CBlast Flash is superior in every way for anyone that has ridden with one for 30 seconds. Just my 2 cents worth.

Hub is still lost and trying to justify his lack of actual tuning knowledge with supposition and hubbish. If hun wants to talk tuning and be CREDIBLE, he should go get himself dyno access and do some learning. Thats what i did way back when. Hubs 'opinion', is laughable. HUB HAS NEVER RIDDEN MY FLASH, nor will he. This causes him to react badly and splice crap onto his bike.
Show me a pic of your chicken strips Hub!! Or a dyno sheet, anything to support your hubbish??? Then we can all put your input in the correct context! Here are mine from father's day at the track with Trailboss. Now there is another rider whose jock Hub couldn't even lift...

Smokin lee has stated many times both publicly and on the phone to both my customers and his own, that his bike never ever ran as good as it does with the Cblast flash. Thats because it does. Period. Thanks to my customers for their continued support! Thanks to Nasty and Mav and jdw and all the rest! The Cblast flash is not a canned tune. Its precise for the customer. With upgrades such as integrated quickshifters and launch control available. Here is a cool pic of some data logged at the track that day with cell blocks filled in at 100% throttle to 11,500 rpm going flat out down the front straight...

Those results are checking texaco vs. shell premium gasoline for a specific customer. Cheers to Jimmy Z, i have your fuel tweak ready sir!

Thank you goes out as always to my BROTHER NELS! Shake and Bake baby!

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Cblast, If we went back to Smoke's times on your flash alone vs. Don/pig setup, just for random math moves, the pig/flash out numbered a flash alone. As short as the junk science was, it still showed something with numbers and numbers do not lie.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9WYjZrpa-ZU/maxresdefault.jpg
Pick 5000 rpm and read it across to the right. The faster you scan the eyes, the patter is linear 234568 and so on are the cells.

Take your decimal numbers, run those across the 5000 rpm line and it's no longer linear but drops up and down all over is no longer meshing with the maps you can't see, which I would assume are written octal so if you mess with a decimal here and there goes, +Backup-TT = Safe (averages, right?). No longer octal. Now, this 212 hp rated map you sent in and what was this I heard about you and Smoke agreeing you both wound up with the same 202hp?

So data first, are we trying to snow someone with 10 extra-extra if this thing is a preset anyway? Smoke runs a pig/Don's same-same HP numbers? On average are the numbers is that Don's keep running and there was a heating glitch or Smoke had to change it out for some reason is don't get old the mem goes.

Lettuce unmix that bag of sheet.

* Last updated by: Hub on 6/23/2015 @ 11:37 AM *

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My bike has run every variation of the C flash ever released. If you are interested in knowing what I have to contribute evaluate ... Let me know and I'll post (constructive and positive). Whenever I have shared my observations, my response is attacked for making claims, being out of my depth or confusions about friendship testimonials. So if asked I'm happy to oblige. I've ridden 21 years. I've owned my 14r new since released in 2012.

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"... Flash Truth"

Right out the gate I have two conflicting number of 212 and 202 hp. Thread title says it all. Get this out of the way first.

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If we disable 02 in the software, and I can't keep up, but do we also unclip the 02 connector, no dash code, but lost a 'various?' That's suz speak out of their book are the various sensors no needed sort of speak. But code or no code, didn't that place the 02 out of the loop and now isn't it in backup?

I am down a sensor is limp no 02 but works fine of course. 5 various I can count that are not needed but code and the fail-safe kicks in. Do we sort of see a sensor down, the 'method' kicks in? Back again de javu is same-same?

Didn't that connect the dots for you? And this shit is all about credibility. So if you come back with that 202 all even up, if that gas octane diagnose was all you could or Nel came up wit, it make Nel clueless, makes you clueless not catching it.

Makes me the dumb dick is I caught the abstract and WATT was that again? The who G watts sit refib you late did what? What's that Mike Myers line, 'swing steer must sell goes?'

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Try not to go full retard hub.

The dyno sheet was an example of a Cblasted customer with a flash having his bike run on Brock's dyno at Brock's tuning center. That dyno operator was impartial. :) The fuel adjustments log data has to do with fuels containing ethanol and other factors. This is stuff that you dont understand because you are not a part of the process. Nor does I or anyone else have to waste time answering your questions. You tend to spaz like a small child when you are ignored. Its kinda fun watching you wind yourself up.
Credibility comes from actually riding and tuning, not just running your suck with octal guesses.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 6/23/2015 @ 12:47 PM *

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Well I'm in the same boat as the OP. I've looked into what I think are the tuning / flashing options and yet haven't been convinced enough to pull the trigger.

Brock's / Guhl seems to have the most corporate reputation, telling me theirs prob works fine and is trustworthy, but maybe not cutting edge / maximized.

Then the others ... I've come across various responses from the others on various forums, and unfortunately they tend to get rather, I dunno, aggressive, defensive, when trying to convince that theirs is best ... instead of posting maturely and letting a good, strong reputation build, it probably lags somewhat due to these types of postings. And instead of convincing me to pull the trigger with theirs, it makes me nervous about what exactly I'll be getting.

Just my 2 cents and observations ... not trying to bash anybody, and I certainly understand that aggressive responses and discussions / arguments regarding these kinds of arts / sciences on motorcycle forums are more standard than not (flashing; tires; HP; oil etc). So it's probably hard to just say your peace respectfully to defend your product and let it be.

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I can't comment on anyone else's flash but I am a satisfied Ivan's customer. Running his flash along with his PCV map for almost two years now. Not a drag racer, strictly street rider.

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One of the reason I did the flash was monetary. I am not a racer so when I modified my ZX12 with a 1290 kit I had no choice but to buy the power commander and have it tuned properly. Once it was done I never saw the need to mess with it....Again I don't race.
So when I got my 14R I read about all the great stuff being said regarding having the bikes ecu flashed.
The question became which one. Guhl has been around a really long time. He was one of the first if not the first to break the code on the 12. So obviously he was in the running. Then I heard about CBlast and Ivan. After doing more research. Which is basically reading the opinions of other riders.
It then became a toss up.
I decided to go with CBlast. I can't tell you if his better because I never rode the others. But I can tell you I LOVE the way the bike responds to my right hand.... I think it and it happens Instantaneously.
Now the kicker for me was I went to Maine to Land speed race ... I know I said I don't race but I just turned 60. So what the hell.
My 2014 ZX14R with a CBlast modified ecu did 208.1 mph with my son on board and 207.8 with me on board.
It's true If I had a power commander and AF gauge I could have monitored the air fuel ratio very carefully and probably leaned it out for even more speed. If I were to have used an oxygenated fuel I then could have richened it up to go faster still!!!!
So going this route your stuck because it's NOT adjustable for that last little bit of speed. You also cant add cams or bore and stroke it. Yep your stuck!!
So I'll just have to be satisfied having only gone over 200MPH 14 times that day in Maine with a best of 208.1, yeah it was my son but my shoulders are broader..... :)

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and unfortunately they tend to get rather aggressive, defensive, when trying to convince that theirs is best ... instead of posting maturely and letting a good, strong reputation build

C, I think this has a lot of dna smeared on dis one.

And instead of convincing me to pull the trigger with theirs, it makes me nervous about what exactly I'll be getting.

Well, so far we have established 212 is fuel induced. The question I had was now answered as in Don and Cblast have come up with the same numbers according to Smoke. It should make you nervous if there is already evidence out there and the reputation is building, where I have no gripe about any of this. I'm just an observer.

The dyno sheet was an example of Brock's dyno at Brock's tuning center.

One more time for the reputation, did we establish a flash defaults to 202 is yours and Smokes, yes? It's either a post of yes you are correct to get the facts straight, or no, I remain posturing in an aggressive, defensive manor of immaturity of my own dna?

This is stuff that you dont understand because you are not a part of the process.

You mean adding an oxygen thru liquid? Solid liquid mass explosion thru chemistry? I understand more than you think.

Nor does I or anyone else have to waste time answering your questions.

Nor do you see how I sign off, is that I could care less where you take my opinion about your tune or some bike's problem. I'm just another guess at it. Take it or leave it. No skin off my back.

You tend to spaz like a small child when you are ignored. Its kinda fun watching you wind yourself up.

It surprises me how this looks more turned around, when it's not my bike turned into a brick to boat anchor. Not my problem about some $50 tuneup you didn't listen then, nor will you now. Not my problem you are skirting the questions for potential customers! I think you more want to ignore the 202/202 is the 310/310 tumbles in numbers don't forget, that was Smokes math, not mine.

not just running your suck with octal guesses.

Every time I see a map come up decimal, it has to math in base10. When the wooly pops up, it's in octal and when you convert decimal, you sort of go up against a base8 chip? So I call up mr. chip maker, say hey, I'm going to build a brick using base8 so make sure my AND/NOR/OR/GATES are handcuffed to base8 chipsayoooo gots to be kidding me!!!.... [did we default to the same limp 202]

That's my guess unless you can explain it away 20000h 2

Signed,

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Here's my dyno sheet with PCV and a custom tune: But notice that the dyno operator cut the power at about 10,400 rpm. I believe if he would have wound it a little further she might have kicked out a couple of more horses:

* Last updated by: skewedTotheLeft on 6/23/2015 @ 7:40 PM *

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Wolfman I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

Cblast it's my opinion as a potential customer that you should tone down the rhetoric in your replies. Whether you care or not you're driving potential sales away. I recently talked with the guys at zero gravity about their windscreens for zx14s and they sent me to read your endorsement I told them I was not going to buy because of you. When they asked why I suggested that they should read some of your other posts to see how you respond to people who disagree with you.

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Cblast it's my opinion... tone down the rhetoric in your replies... you're driving potential sales away... and your endorsement I told them I was not going to buy because of you... to see how you respond to people who disagree with you.

C, I am just your JoeAverage guy, could sense the pulse of a customer base [depending on which base lol] but all kidding aside, I think C needs a reality check along with his potentials.

Now, skewed brings in data and I do not have to tell you what I see. Here is the reality check:
'If only the rpms were not shutdown, it's possible I would have beat a flash by [more than] 6hp,' but by more is check out my 'custom-no-flash-limpeetear-no exotic gas, just my room temp, my baro, my time on the dyno and chase that peak HP as per roller up and gain all of that day's variable... Correct me if I am wrong:

202 = Flash only - pump gas = Preset ROM
208 = No flash but pig - pump gas = Preset ROM

Finally pulled a tooth was "The Hand" getting past that spitting saliva, out comes the gentleman's agreement is 2 oh [like key there] 2 all even up... lolimped

Does that sort of make sense to you yet? So many variables and that pig is all alone wit snowflake [left alone]. And didn't that stock ECU rider pull an impressive number all non-flashed? Beats Mav, right Mav? And it's a gen1?

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I didn't catch the AFR curve scrolling down, but are we not on the same line as the flash is aim for that dotted line <----13.5 AFR?---->

"FLASH TRUTH"
13.5 Pig = 208
13.5 Flash = 202

The more you keep quiet, C, the more I bring my own credibility in numbers. I'm not blowing sales, snowflake is.

Where does hub live? Sector 2 Base 8. How do you get there? Assbackwords... Start digging.

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Wolfy, thanks for hanging back. You're opinion waits. I'm pretty much done entertaining myself wit numb beers. Nice [new] numbers, skewed. This is about as objective as it gets.

Signed,

Truth be tabled.

How's it going, Tall be told? Man, your threads are a hit right out of the park! Figuring out the 14 is a sweetheart yet?

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My zx14r was bought new and left the dealer with Yoshimura slips. Soon Akraoivic headers were added. Bike was then prepared for a tune with a flash from Romes (he made certain adjustments to ensure I get the most HP out). I took the bike to Mitch at Frankenstein Power Cycle. Remember she was stock wheel base with basically zero mods. She dynoed at 205.9 with a PC5. The bike was super smooth and linear. I'm not sure if I got bored with the pipes or wether it was the lure of cash but I sold my pc v with tune and yosh system for a handsome sum. I was also having warrantee issues with Yoshimura and they did not want to work with me.

Step 2
I ordered an M10 pipe from Predator Racing as C has a good relationship with Muzzy. We ordered ceramic coated heads and Mids. Muzzy did not ship them coated so C took it upon himself to drive it out to a ceramic coater and sent them my way. The system was impressive when it arrived. A friend zx beast came over and he installed the system while I helped. Ecu was shipped to C and flashed.

Flash One - sounded awesome and made power everywhere. It was aggressive as ****
The arm tearing ape was back. I did not dyno the bike. Soon a 10 over swing arm was added.

I reached out to C again when he perfected the final update. Ecu was shipped. When it returned it went into the bike while Mitch at Frankenstein was installing a quick shifter. This time I dynoed bike. We did one pull - she dynoed at 199. Something... Remember long arm 10 over with wheel set way back turning bigger chain and rocking 200 flat Shinko ultra light hook ups. I should also note bike was lowered and Penske shock was installed valved to my weight and suspension dailed to my weight. Thank you Mitch at Frankenstein (a very skilled mechanic only one in GTA I trust to work on my 14r and 12r).

Now...
Bike is a bullet and is mad aggressive. However she also rides smooth. The 14r has the capacity to eat and eat anything. It is shocking how minuscule inputs translate to explosive linear propulsion. I will be working on my bike a little more and adding some new updates soon. At that point I will do another pull insert bung sniffer and print torque numbers. That's looking like the fall. I am very pleased with my flash.

I ordered from predator because I liked C's approach. His aggressive attitude is a huge plus for me, it feels like home. The company is called predator for a reason. My confidence was also with predator because c maps using a dyno and if you look at CBLAST flash thread had invested in some impressive data logging equipment. Last he is a ardent race focused rider with killer instincts. A tune with a guy that destroys folks on the track is important to me.

I'm 43 like to push it and am always looking to detonate. I'm not a professional racer and I have two kids and a legal job. But every time I swing leg the bike turns me into a two wheeled vigilante.

There's a few honest review points.
I don't know what other flashes are like. Haven't ridden em. Been on sport bikes all my life. My 2012 14r is a bonafide weapon. Love her.

* Last updated by: Wolfman on 6/24/2015 @ 7:37 PM *

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Hub let me get this straight, you are comparing two different dyno pulls from two different bikes, on two different dynos, and calling it science? It's blatantly obvious that you troll every single post about his flash in a half assed, barely understandable effort to discredit his hard work.

Why don't you just let your personal vendetta against him just die man? You do this shit knowing it will piss him off. What's a man to do when his hard work gets attacked over and over again? Sit back and let it happen? Fuck no, he's a Marine,and Marines are fighters. Fighters are what allow you, me,and everyone in this country to be able to live this free life.

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^^jon good points.

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