I don't know Beast.
Is this the kind of advertising you would like for your product?

And A1 call Toledo...

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drt2706, where is this 216hp dyno chart? Without cover off?.. and who knows how long you had that air cleaner in there etching the rings? Isn't that a little slice of comp... cough... or maybe that tough nika finish? Not trying to be a wizenhymer, but right out of the gate with the specific flash? You see how I see it, C? C would not answer my basics either. You are losing credibility is...

I was pretty open minded when this whole thread started.
But certain silences have spoken much louder than words to me.

... the Only Way to flush out the Trollshillsilence.

But drt2706, I have to admit i'll be very interested in your responses to Hub's above questions.

Not trying to act the dick once again. Just show the bike, in the mancave, so your wallet can afford those many flashes you tested. Romes should have a few sold flashes sold in your state. Romes could mention a few and one down, sorta speak. The mancave with the bike in it is 2 to go. For all we know you are living where C lives sorta silence. I mean a dick I'm not trying to be, and 'games people play' and all that; if you see where I'm coming from.

Especially the one, "Before anyone asks, yes I have tried other flashes (will not name tuners don't ask)".
That appears a little strange as you seem quite comfortable to name one particular flasher over and over?

That's the funny part. Between Romes, Ivan, Don, Ryan, count that as buying 4 ECU's or just how much wallet are we talking here? That's the kicker for me, drt. Lay out the black boxes is how I'd learned? So I'd buy so many software packages, download the bins. How many software packages and now add the black boxes... see how large that wallet looks... just for so and so I wanna faster bike, no top cover popped off? Sounds laughable vs. how many ECU's/mailbox/downloads/etc. Sound credible enough?

By not naming the others you have tried, its a little hard to understand where you are basing a lot of your opinion.

You're in a thread that says there is no difference with a Cflash. The more silence the more same MO sorta speak. Is that you Cblast?

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drt2706 shows his true colors with this post. It's good to have compassion, but this is not helpful.

I hate to sound as if im defending cblast, that's not my intentions. I am from N.C. and have never met him. But I would defend ANYONE in the industry who attempts to help us go faster.

"Attempting" is not good enough. Performance mods either increase performance or they dont. If you want to buy shit from people that only attempts to go faster you should try my new high speed ultra brown wax. It's smelly but it'll make your bike (I turn to the crowd and point with both arms extended and crowd shouts) PULL WAY HARDER just by putting it on. Only $499.99 for a 5 lb bucket. This product is so exclusive that I can't except returns.

I have learned the hard way that not everyone is going to be happy no matter what you do to help.

Happiness has nothing to do with this particular issue. Either there's a difference or there isn't. CBlast advertises that the bike sounds different which it doesn't. He advertises it "revs like liter bike" whatever that means? What does that even fucking mean?! Not one person here can tell me what that means? I think I know the answer now...speaking of big buckets of shit.

They prefer instead to be 'right' instead of admitting when wrong even if it hurts them. Im not like that my end goal is to be faster.

Are you sure? (read on)

Sometimes things work sometimes they don't, you should always give someone a chance to fix any problems before blasting them. Simple respect. You will get more done that way. If you have been part of this industry for any amount of time you will have seen ALL the tuners, builders & manufactures getting hammered by some irate customer who bought their product and now they feel cheated.

Not in this case buddy. You're saying all this shit, but are failing to recognize that the flash literally has a guarantee to return your ECU to the previous state if you're not happy with the flash. THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THE SOFTWARE USED PREVENTS THIS ENTIRELY. Also. you're saying give what a chance? I bought CBlast Version 4 or something!? How many version does there need to be? How much do I give my equipment to someone to potentially have them FORCE some unsafe condition to force the performance to be there only to find a couple thousand miles later I have pistons with holes in them? But that's ok with you isn't you fucking asshat?

I asked CBlast about WRT putting a password on it. I didn't think much at the time but basically he changed the focus and avoided answering that question.

maybe some of them deserve that maybe not but at least use verifiable facts/data when presenting your argument to others. Think about how you would feel if some irresponsible person took away your way of living. Sometimes its better to be quiet than right, so now im going to take my own advice and not post any longer on this subject.

Take away who's living? I'm not here to hurt CBlast. Again, if the numbers were there how different would this thread be?

I'm here to help people. You think this shit is free to the customer? Oh fuck it...let the stupid assholes spend $500 on a bucket of shit and $400 for a flash. Fuck it, maybe it's taking money out of their kids mouths or their making some other sacrifice. Who gives a fuck? They'll be happy and it'll What about the guy that works a somewhat crappy job and has been saving $10 a week for a year to get a goddam flash that doesn't do shit except unload their pocket?

You wanna get happy? Buy a dildo.

"Again, if the numbers were there how different would this thread be?"...they ARE different...just not for you.Hey,at least you don't have to deal with the pesky default KTRC setting anymore.

MY numbers were different.Several here have shown and commented THEIRS were different.How much proof do you need before you say..."I got burned by C blast"...that's all you need say...THAT's how this thread would be different.And it wasn't JUST guys here that got his flash that posted up.Smokin for one.You do know Smokin,yes?

You showed how yours was the same.Okay...we've shown and commented that OURS were different.There it is.Take it or leave it.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 9/11/2015 @ 7:53 PM *

Grn, you're a really nice guy. Seriously.

HUH?Vic...you haven't bumped yer head or something have ya?I hope you know that my 'darted' comments towards you are NOT to be taken seriously.You're okay in my book...I just like messin with ya...you DO come up with some off the wall shitLOL.

Not in this case buddy. You're saying all this shit, but are failing to recognize that the flash literally has a guarantee to return your ECU to the previous state if you're not happy with the flash. THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THE SOFTWARE USED PREVENTS THIS ENTIRELY.

We users of the software have the ability to reflash your ECU back to the stock settings. Factory tune per say.

Back to the previous state of tune is a Yes. You are correct in there is no way to erase all evidence of a third party software being used inside your ECU.

The third party software owner has placed a lock inside to prevent anyone from stealing his proprietary software. This is his protection. It is also the footprint left behind. If mother Kawi Looks,,,, Busted,,,, sorry.

Once you cross over to the "Dark Side of the Flash" You're All In, one of us now.

The third party software owner has placed a lock inside to prevent anyone from stealing his proprietary software.

This doesn't make sense actually. There's nothing on the ECU except the bin (the "image") file. It's not to protect the application (WRT software) because none of WRT software resides on the ECU. It's a cockamamie attempt at preventing people from downloading the bin (image) from the ECU. It does NOT protect WRT software in any way. It's fairly easily defeated just by brute force attack so anyone that has skills can get by it, such as Ivan's custom software.

It's fairly easily defeated just by brute force attack so anyone that has skills can get by it, such as Ivan's custom software.

Would you like to place a wager ? You sound very sure of yourself here lol

You are incorrect Vic. We all can unlock, little skill required. Yes it is Easy, takes minutes to get by All locks,,,ask me how I know ?

Now to remove any trace of third party software ???? Not Happening,,,, Busted ! This I believe is your point, is it not ?

There's no way Vic is wrong, it's not possible. Go back to the drawing board Romans and search your work.

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Romans, above whatever about protecting software you understand my point. The wording of the guarantee is specific that the ECU can be returned to the original state. This is NOT true, and yes there is a very specific difference. Like you acknowledge as far as Kawasaki is concerned it's a corrupted ECU that would need replaced, and could lead to warranty claim issues.

I already know WRT has an unlock feature. Not sure what their stance is on unlocking other WRT written ECUs though. I don't think you really understand what brute force means. It's a specific technical term, and basically just means sending password keys until the correct key is found. It could take anywhere from a couple minutes to a few hours or even days depending on a lot of different things. Ask me how I know?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6o881n35GU

When I'm talking to Romans, I know I'm not talking to a moron. We definitely come from two different worlds, but I think he attempts to understand things and convey those things. Romans said the WRT password feature protects the software. This isn't true, no matter who says it. It's meant to at best attempt to protect the modifications of the ECU to prevent what was written being copied.

When I'm talking to NastyNotch, I know flat out I'm talking to a moron. Might be able to ride around a tricycle and use that fancy computer thing but what can I say, the world has made great strides to make it so morons can use things things. What makes NastyNotch a moron? He believes something is true because it was said by Romans.

LMFAO,,, Luv Ya Vic. The No Filter is Awesome lol

you understand my point. The wording of the guarantee is specific that the ECU can be returned to the original state. This is NOT true, and yes there is a very specific difference. Like you acknowledge as far as Kawasaki is concerned it's a corrupted ECU that would need replaced, and could lead to warranty claim issues.

Yes, and Yes. I do the very best to tell the exact truth from all points of "Neutral View" even though I do have my own real opinion off line.

Now,,, if I was Mother Kawi and "YOU" showed up on my doorstep with a Flashed ECU that Played with Flies, Timing and Fueling,,,,,,,, No matter what the motor related issue was, I would most certainly tell you to Go Fuck Yourself.

Even though flash may Not be related to the issue. Point is, Trust has been lost, no telling what you really did. You are playing where Kawi has forbidden you to play. Warranty ???? Now you're dreaming.

Of course if your really smart you will go and buy a spare 900 dollar ECU ASAP,,,, before you go in,,, wright ? Shhhh, yes I'm that guy. Better Listen or pay.

So begs the Question,,, Who gives two shits what software made the changes? Fact is All ways are wrong. No wrong way can ever be right. Do we agree ?

All in, is All In. Play the flash wheel.

What makes NastyNotch a moron? He believes something is true because it was said by Romans.

This is great. Nasty, like allot of guys here knows I will never lie. Even if the masses hate me for it. Tell The Truth or I'm telling mom lol If you get caught in the crossfire you did it to yourself.

More please.

LMFAO,,, Luv Ya Vic. The No Filter is Awesome lol

Actually my statements are probably the most filtered here. It's you people that read so much more into them that's there. I speak explicitly and concisely. When people read between the lines stuff that's not there, that's where people like Nastynotch get their panties all wadded up.

What makes NastyNotch a moron? He believes something is true because it was said by Romans.

This is great. Nasty, like allot of guys here knows I will never lie. Even if the masses hate me for it. Tell The Truth or I'm telling mom lol If you get caught in the crossfire you did it to yourself.

More please.

Don't read "feeling" into my statements that isn't there. You have to be careful to not read "He believes something is true because it was said by Romans." as saying that Romans is untrustworthy or unknowledgable. That's not what is said there. All it means is blindly accepting anything just because who said it is bad practice. It's just as bad practice not accepting something just because who said it.

Keep digging the science, Double R.

I'm following your hard work and $$$.

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After 15 pages I have only heard a lot of stuff that I cannot understand which is all code - lock - unlock and the list goes on. I do not know what the difference is between Cblast and Romans flash other than they go about it different ways. I understand that they both do not live where I live so the fuel map is an educated guess. Us 1st generation owners had to wait until everyone figured out the 2nd generation so we have to take what we get. Ivan sets up the flash but says a PC is needed to get a correct tune for your area. That I can understand.
My question is no matter who does the flash what is expected of it? More electronics on a G2 than a G1 so the G1 should be less work? If I could afford a 2nd PCM for my G1 and send it to Romans I world for a comparison between Cblast and him but I do not have an extra $400 to play with.
How does one guess what to load as a fuel map for the area one lives in when the customer has a different climate and sea level?

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After 15 pages I have only heard a lot of stuff that I cannot understand

Man Lythin, I truly feel for ya.

Now this is exactly what I'm most certainly not in agreement with. By now with 8 million threads of Flash BS everyone should know All there is to know,,,, Plus some. Instead the reader is left with only Mass confusion. Shame on all of us.

Every time I see a flash thread pop up I want to poke my Eyes out. Fact is there is so much Mud in the water no one can understand the pages and pages of smoke screen info that is laid out before him. Clear information is most certainly Not available.

Certainly by now all of you can agree this is a crime. How is the reader or new 14 rider supposed to make a educated decision with what he is reading, when most of what reader has to look at is based on opinions not science ? Hurts the brain.

Actually my statements are probably the most filtered here. It's you people that read so much more into them

Vic I try and say the most with the least amount of words. Appears that you do too. Keep it coming. We can take it.

How does one guess what to load as a fuel map for the area one lives in when the customer has a different climate and sea level?

Great Question, because you asked it I know you will understand the answer.

Lythin you must have noticed available to us all the different fuel maps for different pipes. Full pipes, slip-ons yosh , Akra, Muzzy, on and on. This was and is the proper path for the maker of the pipe to provide a tune for us. A New Pipe with custom map equals sales. Was it perfect for your bike and your mods ? Most probably not. But it was free and most likely a improvement.

From here it was the job of the owner operator to take his bike, with new pipe, free map installed to his local dyno to make improvements.

Nothing has changed. (Except the current brainwashing maybe) Cookie cutter maps or flashes will not work for all. No matter what you have been told. Look at these free fuel map as a great place to start.

Fine tuning is and always was up to you. If your Gen 1 bike is running a 13.1 to 13.3 AFR line your Dialed. If not, you have work to do. Zero Magic

Send me your current map and all your info if you not happy with your current tune I may have what you need to get you closer.
rickromans@rogers.com

This is only my opinion take it for what it's worth.

Cheers.

Does this mean that an ecu flashed by tuner X cannot be flashed by tuner Y even with the same software?

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"Of course if your really smart you will go and buy a spare 900 dollar ECU ASAP,,,, before you go in,,, wright ? Shhhh, yes I'm that guy. Better Listen or pay"...WRONG;).You show up with a new ECU in there and have an engine issue...

"Well sir,you're saying your engine let go at...uh...3 miles?...hmmm...interesting.So far,the only thing in there is a nice safe startup and ride...don't see anything wrong here".... "and your odometer reads...17K miles?"

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Hi Romans, I went with Cblast earlier this year but it was a flip of the coin on who to try. I understand that the tuners will get close and even with a PC to do a dyno tune there may be little difference. Mine is a 2008 so it had the no low end until 8 grand then started moving. Put a full system on and better but not much difference on the bottom. Went with Ivan's TRE and it started picking up around 5500. Then the 4 degree advancer which added some snappiness to it which strted the around town fun but compared to my other bikes it was still a bottom end pooch. Finally added the PC5 with the online generic tune and it woke up. Tried a local tuner and could not complain and that was with flies in. Finally waited for the flash wars to die down then finally the tuners were working on the G1 flashes so who to go to.
I am a nobody so what works for me or what I was looking for would not be worth reading. I do not drag race or look for peak HP on a dyno even tho it did a 180 peak with a 184 surge at the local tuner. The surge was a 1 timer so we don't count that. I wanted more around town fun which is getting some bottom end snap out of it. That is where the flashing caught my attention. I did not want to pull flies but the flashers were all saying they could make them open faster (fully open and partial) plus add the 4 degrees in and do the wild ass guess on the fueling which is understandable.
I think I went with Cblast just because he had a different way of tuning per his posting and I did it on a whim and curiosity. I don't know if the upper rpm range in the upper gears are as good as before but with these bikes and living in a populated area one really does not get to play. I did get my around town fun that I was seeking so if losing some on top and gaining in the lowers gives me the giggly happy feeling then it was money well spent.
If your tunes do the same thing then it is also money well spent with you.

I still have all my electric take offs just in case all turns to crap.

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Ahh the name calling. I'm cool with it because we don't know each other outside of this platform. For all I know you may be cool face to face. One thing I do know for a fact is you would never call me that to my face without taking a trip in an ambulance.

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WRONG;).You show up with a new ECU in there and have an engine issue...

Of course Grn this all depends on how extreme this issue is. Good mechanic sees major issues, he is going to go looking. With any luck he won't see the Turbo lol

Does this mean that an ecu flashed by tuner X cannot be flashed by tuner Y even with the same software?

All can flash over as many times as customer requires. The software we use can unlock locked ECU's but has no feature that places a lock in ECU. Wide open.

Lythin, I'm trying to keep up. So you "Had" TRE 08(6th gear lock) and a Muzzy Mechanical adjustable Ignition Advancer. All with flies in, PCV for fueling correct ? Now all that has been removed. Flash only correct ?

Lythin, I'm trying to keep up. So you "Had" TRE 08(6th gear lock) and a Muzzy Mechanical adjustable Ignition Advancer. All with flies in, PCV for fueling correct ? Now all that has been removed. Flash only correct ?

That would be correct and no more piggies hanging off the bike. The biggest difference is before at 5500 the lift off was a foot tall and growing. Now it is squat and go and be gone. Problem is I do not ride the 14 that much anymore and seem to be on the beemer most of the time. I have not been able to get to the top of 3d due to surroundings. The butt dyno has a problem because it thinks lift off is showing off power but then it also seems to cover more ground quicker.
Might just be a 60 year old guy cannot keep up with a 14.

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The biggest difference is before at 5500 the lift off was a foot tall and growing. Now it is squat and go and be gone.

So now your bike no longer is not lifting the front wheel under power in the bottom. And in your location, the Bottom End power is where you ride most of the time. Got it, and agreed, this is of course where most of the fun is.

And you want that Pull back, correct ? You also want all of of what you had from the mechanical piggies Add-Ons without the pigs being reinstalled. Am I understanding all correctly ?

The butt dyno has a problem because it thinks lift off is showing off power but then it also seems to cover more ground quicker. Might just be a 60 year old guy cannot keep up with a 14.

Lol, 60 years old and cranking wheelies on a zx 14 ??? Pretty sure no old guy in you.

If your front wheel would lift air born under power before and now it won't ? Sounds to me like your 60 year old brain can't be fooled. Which is why I assume you like many others study these threads.

Ahh the name calling.

Almost always goes bad.