Well...............Romans.You asked "whatcha think".Here's what I think.For ME....I believe in the Bible as being the Word of the Living God.I believe that He's got control over every situation and every thing that occurs in this life.I believe that people have a right to be whoever they want.And also that my GOD will allow people to be who they are,and suffer their own consequences if that's what they want.As a believer,I NEVER take a back seat to anyone-or anything.If I do allow some things to go on by-it's because I am trying to emulate the relationship I feel I have with GOD.Your kids WILL NEVER have to take crap from anyone,or anything.GOD's runnin this deal.He's the Champion.Sounds kinda kooky probably-I know-but I believe what the word says about who we are in Christ.MORE than conquerors.Victors.Satan's already been defeated-at the cross.Even before that.Christ just made that fact known publicly by doing what He did.So the world would know there's NO question about WHO's RUNNING WHAT!!!That makes me feel GOOD.Your kids CAN'T lose with God on their side-and HE certainly IS.No matter what.And you and yours as well.The haters aren't going to "win" this deal-the winners are the multitudes of believers in the Lord.That's who gets the prize.Starting with Israel and those who love her(no,I'm not a Jew).The plan is already sealed-we've nothing to fear.We can only WIN!

Your kids CAN'T lose with God on their side-and HE certainly IS.No matter what.And you and yours as well.The haters aren't going to "win" this deal-the winners are the multitudes of believers in the Lord.That's who gets the prize.Starting with Israel and those who love her(no,I'm not a Jew).The plan is already sealed-we've nothing to fear.We can only WIN!

I get what you are saying here Blue, but the facts are very simple in the #'s, Our beliefs will be buried 25 to 1. Their #'s are still growing and ours are still sinking..... "All Evil Needs to Succeed Is For Good People To Stand By And Do Nothing" What is it you think we are doing to stop this?

When King David sent his scouts out to scope out the battlefield that GOD said he would take-his scouts came back and reported "there be GIANTS in them thar hills!" I'm sure with all the victories that God had given David up to this point,he probably was WAY pissed and ready to fire all of em!His response-"GOD said".There was no "other" issue."GOD said".Giants,Muslims?Haters?Makes no difference.Even if there was just ONE believer-His truth will still be fulfilled.We win.Period.Numbers mean nothing in GOD's plan.The less we are-the greater the grace and strength.HE will not be denied-and we get to be part of it!There is NO fear in Love-but PERFECT love casts out fear.And we have that perfect love in ours hearts and lives if we belong to the winning team!!!(imperfect as I am).No FEAR of the future-only hope and trust in the good things that are coming.I'm not worried about "them".Their time is short.This is all gonna work out for the good-even if it "appears" to be looking otherwise."One shall put to flight 1,000.Two shall put to flight 10,000". Believe me Rome-the "powers" that are behind this thing are scared to death-yet they know their final outcome,and GOD continues to use them for the fulfillment of HIS promises to the saved.I love thinkin on these things-makes me feel safe and clear headed about what I'm doing in my life.The enemy will ALWAYS throw fiery darts at the beloved.Just another opportunity to rub it in his face.....AGAIN...and again,and again, and...Almost feel sorry for the old boy ...you asked"what can we do"..honestly,keep workin on hitting the terrorists.Catch Bin Laden.Kick the crap outta Al-Queda-all the stuff we need to do to keep us "safe"-which I believe in totally.Keep a strong military.Help our friends in the world.Be vigilant.We ARE doing things to secure this country-lots of things that the public knows nothing about.And we've gotta keep doing it.Everyday.24/7.Which we will.I'm no pariah-so I hope my post here doesn't offend anyone-or leave the impression that I'm a religious nut with a head in the sand,pie in the sky attitude.No way.Hell,I ride a zx14...how pious could I be?With triple digits the norm for my riding-and the tickets to go along with it...I'm not so "perfect".That's for sure.And plenty of other stuff as well.

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You never come off as holier than though, blue. Good words. A lot of us can't let go of the suspicion or at least the contemplation of the possibility that terrorists are walking among us. It's something that won't go away after what happened to our country ten years ago. I think the best thing we can do is to try to understand what it really means to be Muslim. We might be surprised. Hell, i don't know, maybe surprised for the worse but at least we will know for ourself.

Well, that Israeli girl I mentioned, she might be Muslim or Jewish or Christian or maybe even something else. In a way, I hope she is Muslim because then I might learn a little more about what that really means. Hope it's all good things. Haha, no, she doesn't wear a berka.

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Well, Thanks Rook-Sometimes I just have to say how I feel(not very often)-even though I know my life is quite imperfect.That will be very cool about your lady friend there.I've always been drawn to Middle-east gals or Orientals myself.Appreciate yor comments Rook-(PS-I do the lift by leaning over the seat,lining up the spool forks visually,grabbing the handlebar(left one)Straightening up the bike with handlebar and at the same time lowering the handle as she comes up.Once she's in the spools straight up,I can stop looking over the seat there,and concentrate on lowering the handle to the floor.I cheated though.I cut the tip of the handle off,and inserted a cheater bar in there to give me the easiest leverage.Extends the handle approx.one foot-not enough to keep it from "locking at the floor,but enough to make the bike feel like a featherweight.I can leave the kickstand down.But that took some readjusting of the width of the lift forks.It wasn't gonna clear the way they had the instructions set up.And when lowering,I grab the left bar,turn the wheel to the left,lift the handle up quickly and at the same time pull the bike into me-onto the kickstand while pulling the Pit Bull out from under and towards me.If I don't do it this way,the right spool fork will get snagged under the lower rear fairing,which is a problem if that happens.I also had to turn the forks around(but not the actual cradle tip part-and adjust the width-it would nail the rim when lowering-that wasn't gonna work.That's what I was trying to find out-just how you guys "got around" what I had to do to get it to work right.I don't know HOW you trust that your in the forks with the spools without actually confirming it.I would never trust doing it like that!

* Last updated by: blue07 on 12/19/2009 @ 12:48 AM *

^^

^^He's talking about using a Pit Bull stand up there. Did you get your threads crossed?

http://www.zx14ninjaforums.com/messages.cfm?threadid=DEFABC13-1372-66AE-3B8E6FE7D370ACDB

* Last updated by: Rook on 12/19/2009 @ 8:13 AM *

One way that Muslims can be good Americans is to become "saved". Here is a website that we designed for an Egyptian fellow who visited us (our church) earlier this year, and has a ministry that is very fruitful. -bg

Excellent link and site there BG.That's one of my hopes as well-"and the nations of the saved shall bring their glory unto the Lord"-gonna be AWESOME.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=119442

Good one HUB-I certainly knew NOTHING about that.

There is a lot of Americans that are not good Americans. As far as Muslims I probably would not trust them.

There is a lot of Americans that are not good Americans

Agreed!

Way more good,courageous,kindhearted, giving,helping,sharing,sacrificing, uplifting people in America right now that rarely get credit for being "American".I don't appreciate or need Mr Obama going to other countries and telling them"America has been arrogant".Speak for yourself "Mr President".If it weren't for America and our principles-we'd all be speakin German or Russian or Chinese-and "MR Obama" would be the FARTHEST choice,if even allowed to mix with the white race,for any kind of job besides the Gulag or Concentration camps.I'm PROUD of AMERICA-it aint all doom and gloom.America's gonna come through this-mark my words.We have have a "first lady" who's NEVER been "proud of America" -until her Black Husband got elected(and I'm all for a Black person getting ANY job they desire). We've done more in this country to pave the way and make possible the freedoms to all people-black,white,brown,foreigners-you name it-than ANY other country on Earth-we ARE the ones that set the example-And everybody knows it.We don't follow-never will.We lead.In every aspect of human endeavor-WE LEAD.(except the inline four!!!!!Japanese have this one wrapped up me thinks!)

* Last updated by: blue07 on 1/1/2010 @ 10:30 PM *

Wow religion (not God there is a difference) is some scary shit no wonder young people are moving away from it. It seems people tend to use religion as a way to blame others for there own failures in life. If it wasn't for those damn Jews, if it wasn't for those damn Muslims etc............ Next week it’s going to be someone else’s fault maybe those damn Eskimos LOL. If any of you know people like this you will notice they tend not to succeed at much of anything in life. Life is short I would not waste it mistrusting people based on assumptions or something you heard on the news or you buddy told you at the bar. In fact if you step back and take a long hard look at Christianity in the United States you would not trust most Christians either and with good reason. I’m a balck Baptist, former Combat Marine who loves America but as Christians and Americans we have way to much blood on ours hands to cast desperations on people we don't even know or have not even taken the time to understand them as a group. To be honest that shit don't sound very Christian like to me.LOL

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There is a lot of Americans that are not good Americans

like these two walking,talking abortion

I’m a balck Baptist, former Combat Marine who loves America but as Christians and Americans we have way to much blood on ours hands to cast desperations on people we don't even know or have not even taken the time to understand them as a group. To be honest that shit don't sound very Christian like to me.LOL

This is true, but our God does not give FREE tickets to heaven based on the killing of people(which includes you and I) who don't believe in him. What's the term ? What do they call us ? LOL. I'm pretty damn sure I fit the bill to a tee. Any one else here need to be slaughtered so some dude can go to heaven ? Me no Understand.....

Misunderstandable because it makes NO sense."God created Man in His own image-male and female created He them"...........so He could send someone with a different mindset to murder innocent people(who are made in God's image?)thereby destroying His own works?Not."For the devil came to kill,steal and destroy".Jesus said"I am come that you might have life-and that more abundantly"."I and my father are ONE"."if you've seen me,you've seen the Father".Apparently in the Quran-they acknowledge Jesus as being a prophet-as well as Abraham and Mohammed.But they actually go one further.They acknowledge Jesus as born of a virgin-something they attribute to no other prophets.Yet they follow Mohammed above Christ in all things.Make any sense?Mohammed-Man....Christ,Divine and not born of this world.Go figure?"I am come in my Father's name and ye believe not.If another come in his own name-him ye will believe"Imagine that.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 1/7/2010 @ 12:47 AM *

This is true, but our God does not give FREE tickets to heaven based on the killing of people(which includes you and I) who don't believe in him. What's the term ? What do they call us ? LOL. I'm pretty damn sure I fit the bill to a tee. Any one else here need to be slaughtered so some dude can go to heaven ? Me no Understand.....

Romans I believe in a God not a religion. That’s not really true at all we like to think that’s the case. What if Christians started following the words of the KJV Bible as they are written things would get ugly really fast. So I ran across a religious website that made these claims concerning various scriptures so I checked it out for myself and guess what its true. Now it could be taken out of context and all Christian people could be deemed evil just as people do to justify hatred of Muslims. I’ll put my faith in God not stories and words written by men. Sorry guys I just don't see how any Christian feels they can pass judgment on any other religion. Below is a copy paste from the site I encourage you to open your KJV Bible as see for yourself. Man self reflection can be uncomfortable

Here are some choice passages from the KJV Bible which when read in isolation makes the Bible appear to be a primer for evil:

1) In Leviticus 25:44-46, the Lord tells the Israelites it's OK to own slaves, provided they are strangers or heathens.

2) In Samuel 15:2-3, the Lord orders Saul to kill all the Amalekite men, women and infants.

3) In Exodus 15:3, the Bible tells us the Lord is a man of war.

4) In Numbers 31, the Lord tells Moses to kill all the Midianites, sparing only the virgins.

5) In Deuteronomy 13:6-16, the Lord instructs Israel to kill anyone who worships a different god or who worships the Lord differently.

6) In Mark 7:9, Jesus is critical of the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as prescribed by Old Testament law.

7) In Luke 19:22-27, Jesus orders killed anyone who refuses to be ruled by him

If you were trapped in a 10 story building with these two people which one would you trust??

* Last updated by: willidx4 on 1/7/2010 @ 12:10 PM *

KING JAMES taken from online:
Luke
"19:9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
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19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me."

Mark
"10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:"

Actually, Jesus is quoting the words of Moses, not actually recommending that dishonorable children be killed. I'm sure there is some explaination for the the passage from Luke as well. That is not the point though. The point is that there are a lot of different Christians and some might follow the Book to the letter. Those would be the ones I would not want in my country any more than the Muslims who follow their book to the letter.

Those would be the ones I would not want in my country any more than the Muslims who follow their book to the letter.

Exactly, Rook that’s my point no need to mistrust someone over religious text written by men. BTW the all America looking boy in the desert “camo” is a picture of the terrorist that blew up the Oklahoma Federal Building. Tim MCveigh was an American, U.S. Service Member, a terrorist and Catholic. That POS is now taking long dirt nap unfortunately it cost tax payers big money to put his ass in the ground.

It's long-but worth reading:

by Nonie Darwish(a former Muslim but now Christian Woman)

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In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child, consummating the marriage by 9.

The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.

Even though a woman is abused she cannot obtain a divorce.

To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.

Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and he does not have to say why he has beaten her.

The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.

The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.

In the Western World (America) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife cannot obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her. It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.

By passing this on, enlightened American women may avoid becoming a slave under Shariah Law.

Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.

She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law.

Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old. Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel. He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza.

When he died, he was considered a "shahid," a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society.

But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing. She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.

In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping sharia law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.

For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual. Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.

Peace and prosperity for one's children is not as important as assuring that Islamic law rules everywhere in the Middle East and eventually in the world.

While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Sharia teaches two systems of ethics - one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal practices of the seventh century, Sharia encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others.

While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God, Sharia advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted as criticism.

It's hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim should be executed. Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the Middle East are silenced through intimidation.

While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time, Darwish explains how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her native Egypt and elsewhere.

In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President by themselves! Rest assured they will do so... You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the USA...Dearborn Mich. is one... and there are others...

I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!

It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful� some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam�the peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion.. While America is getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of children the Muslims are planning a great jihad on America...(end).

Me again:(blue)
You all can also get a powerful few minutes of shocking video concerning the infiltration of Jihadists into our Government by googling...........www.pjtv.com. We better stay vigilant-and continue to fight the good fight.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 1/9/2010 @ 11:07 PM *

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK9yOi0V1So&feature=related Banned in England no doubt.

Unfortunately,they can't seem to see their "hypocrisy"-killing their OWN people in the name of....WHO?Good vid Hub.

Me again:(blue)
You all can also get a powerful few minutes of shocking video concerning the infiltration of Jihadists into our Government by googling...........www.pjtv.com. We better stay vigilant-and continue to fight the good fight.