Wow!

This danish tastes like the good stuff served back in aught twelve.

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Luckily I'm just as much of a petty asshole as you, so game on. :)

The old lady comes in, starts reading this, she says, 'oh, two of the same idiots.'

I'd say you're trying awfully hard not to try and prove anything, here.

That's just it. I need to prove nada. Take it or leave it, NOLTT anyway. Besides, it's not about me... It's about the bike get back to the thread not sound off on the membership or lets focus on the problem if any. You have a problem with how many people did you step on? Just asking.

Says the street hack? Yeah, you're right, I don't know apexes. You and your pussy street riding buddies are the pros.

LOL, if you only knew the crew.

I'll get a book on tape and ride behind you so I can learn your hella sweet street riding mojo.

Asshole! You don't need a book. You need one rule and the rest is figure it the fuckout. Who said if you are not shooting par in 3 years give it up. How much more time do you need there fella? LOL The rest is find your own art of the apex. I don't follow your line ahole. Either it works for you or move on. Where are your lines? I can run up to some site, show a trackday photo, say I get paid the big bucks for what? Leading a bunch of slow guys with knees down, look at me Kenny the Curve? LOL

You fucking "Runner Upper." I can see you assholds a mile away getting the e-pee up the buttyourus, not me holding my cheeks open here comes.

I laughed when that flowed out. Typical runner upper.

If I'm the "Runner Upper", what's that make you? Second loser? I'll take that. Stay in the back of the pack with your other excuse making buddies, Hub. Keep each other company.

One more off the wall fast kid on a slow bike lapping your ass analogy you won't figure out>>> It's like you running up to me and explaining to me how that computer works. I ask you some question about it and you are going to tell me about the line too? We on the same page big boy thinks he can out run some WON? Suck on that for awhile you swap thumbs up your ass in 9 hole. Where are we at? Par for par? Hardly. The second loser is who wears out the membership first or first to wear you out over and over with the same photo, same same runner upper shit is your excuse not to prove anything, but do we have our mailbox prepped to go racing? See what I'm saying about how you prep the bike? I figure this is about as modern as if you sending away for a jet kit from Ivan back in the day. Now Ivan is cell savvy because he was forced to learn the newer tune, not drop brass all day long and lose gallons does it add up looking for that tune. But you runner upper types, you tune your hinges LOL

Training for what? To look good on bike? Keep training!! LOL

I'd rather have a single good trackday photo than the dozen or so tragically slow homemade videos that you've got demonstrating your lack of skill floating around on YouTube.

LOL, I can go in the garage and look in a box and forgot how I came after your 'struggling looking' photo. You gave me your best shot and once the flag dropped, that ended any score of the days gone bye.

... of course, that's what I train for. The forum glory of an avatar pic.

Fuck, Yanni is not working at it and that'style right there. No effort. I can see you struggle at it. It certainly wouldn't be the byproduct of hard work? Keep working. Something is not there and I can see it from here but once again, NOLTT

And what the fuck do you do? Stand back and talk shit about trackday riders as though it's a waste of time.

Yep. You piss away all that cash going rounDround and you can't push you level higher going against faster riders is now you are learning, not D'uh, look at me lean HA knee. WOW, I bet you remember the first time you hit a knee down and now what? Typical cocksucker, stagnant rider move is more where I see squidly like yourself.

Talk the talk, but hide when it's time to put your money where your mouth is.

What do I need to prove? I keep needing to prove what to you? You're a runner upper with shit in the bucket. It's empty. Where you ship your unit out and not try to flash it yourself? Never learned what? How the fuck are you going to learn flash, but buy sending in the unit? We discuss flash now? WATTrigger did you pull on line X to Y my Z flies are out and a hole lot of holes we discuss theory with the runner upper. See your position way in the back you running up to your mailbox and discuss the process? LOL

Keep your head in the sand, Hub.

Sanda floo, sinsay, watt hubsay?

Just do everyone a favor and keep you opinion there, too.

Oh, pulling the stinger out LOL???? Don't care to hear my opinion is it? I told you butt noooooooooooooooo. LOL

One more time the runner upper does not listen. I talk the penultimates and where are we at?: in the learning curve figuring out where to move that bike's power, let alone find more. Oh, for you it's waiting for my slow ass type and your type runs to the window looking for mr. postman. Yeah, some learning curve sounds the same as your bike curves and waves.

Does it hurt to know the "detuned trackdayers" can spank your ass on the very streets that you so shrilly cling to?

Not one bit. It's your turn to prove whatever you need to prove. I've been there in the proverbial.

Usually a 5 minute session shakes down where people stand.

That or an Avvy-(someone trying to look like JoeApex on the)-Tar, mack, jack, run of the upper.

Oh, so now I've got to have years and racing under my belt before I can talk shit to you?

Well, you need something more than showing the locals around a ribbon of road.

How did your sad little analogy about Marquez and me go again? Get real, asshole.

You do or you do not see the concept of the rider is faster than the bike we place a top flight, top of the heap and you have all this power and whatever your age is, you can beat the kid on his works bike and he's on a production bike. I doubt you have a chance at this farm level of challenging yourself and all you have are locals, not seasoned vets who tour the world kind of puts one in their place is the rider faster than the bike chasing you down and your excuse would be what? Not enough HP.... LOL. How's my theory going now? I can swing it any way you want, it's going to show who is what in the fluff you are clueless yes or no to the theory you call fluff?

The only thing you've got on me here is post count.

That's what I'm saying. We stack up how many people you sounded off on, should ignore them and stick with the thread, but noooooooooooo. Do I make a point about contributing or confronting with the posting? None of my business how you conduct yourself. Continue if you must being the current asshole runner upper profile.

Lean on that all you like, but your riding videos prove that you don't have shit for training, or you were a very bad student. Clearly age and experience haven't benefitted you as they should have.

I had my 15 minutes just like you. Would you change a thing?

You threw this little gauntlet down, Hubby.

I believe you came in here and began to run up to this member, started up on another member, and it's more your MO. I don't know if you started up on another member and stopped the flow of another thread, but how do you like it? I'm more sending the mirror so you can see what you do not seem to see. I may be missing something, but a runner upper you are for sure.

I'm just rising to the occasion! :) More importantly, I'm getting paid a lot of money to do so. I just wish you typed faster so we can take this thread spiraling into oblivion.

Hey, I spell like crap, I post at more sites looking for tech questions to solve I need to hang here for this? For me, this is as good as lapping you run of the uppers while I wait for another tech question I think I have a handle on. I'm not waiting to see you run to your mailbox to see you solve a clue on the bike.

LOL..... I can see you lubing your mailbox hinges we discuss chain maintenance.

* Last updated by: Hub on 7/19/2014 @ 9:33 AM *

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This a pic of me RIGHT after I got my helmet off at our last track day!! I felt really good about it!

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Ah, waking up to forum drama! It's like a hot cup of WTF to brighten my day! And yeah, I'm not breaking all that down again. I'll let you slice my posts up for quoting.

I get the impression that you think the only thing I do is ride closed courses. You constantly attack my skill based on the assumption that I don't put down significant miles of fast street riding. I've been on some of the best (and worst) roads this country has to offer.

You critiquing a handful of trackday photos of me is funny, too, since it looks to me as though I've been photographed hitting higher corner speeds and lean angles in my first thousand miles of riding this bike than all of your videos combined. Again, maybe you've had your day in the sun, but everything you espouse as skilled riding looks like mediocrity to me.

Either way, I fully understand that these bikes are more rider limited than HP limited. A bunch of retards smashing WOT at 1/2 lean isn't impressive to me, nor should it be to you. My stance since I joined this forum has been the advocacy training. Tunes and parts will always make the bike better, but what's the point if the progression stops at any given level? I've got tons to learn. Apparently so do you. All I see is you shitting on a form of training you don't like in favor of what, street miles? You're a hack, Hub. Fucking verbose, to be sure, but a hack nonetheless.

And what's with your forum champion reaction? You pussies afraid of a new to you guy shaking it up a bit in here? Bullshit is bullshit, regardless of your rep, post count or twitter buddies. When you've got dumbshits in here deriding the use of BRAKES, you can't possibly expect to be taken seriously. I see a group of dangerously over-biked, under-skilled riders selling each other snake oil and bad habits. Not everyone, mind you, but enough forum heroes to be disappointed by.

Wouldn't you rather have a comprehensive set of skills than be an idiot savant?

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I'm trying to figure out why Hub started attacking you here. I pretty much read everything on this forum, and yet somehow I feel like I missed something.

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To be straight for a minute, I think Hub doesn't appreciate an un-vetted forum member questioning (harshly) what is being said. I can appreciate his stance, but his message is a bit confused in my opinion.

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Some people don't like the young guns stepping in the ring with the "veterans", but the truth is I've had to humble myself plenty of times to the younger crowd to learn a new perspective. Nobody likes change, but if you embrace it you will learn a lot.

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Wolf post a torque curve and air fuel ratio.what I've been seeing is a very smooth curve,very nice for the street, but no increase in peak Hp, but very very smooth

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The blue line is with a stealth muffler,the red with the Evolution

* Last updated by: darryle on 7/19/2014 @ 11:07 AM *

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Here an hp curve stealth and Evo SAE corrected = lower numbers then STD

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I'm trying to figure out why Hub started attacking you here. I pretty much read everything on this forum, and yet somehow I feel like I missed something.

It's not an attack, it's more like saying, an A-grade rider on a mediocre bike beats the B-grade rider on an A-grade bike. That was more or less the same as saying, bring all the dyno charts forward, you are not going to go any faster with more HP.

So here is some 9 times in a row rider and no one can beat the combo. Everyone receive the same hours on the bike, but no, someone does not see the standout, the guy knows more than the other guy about a line or he's at his own pace and if they were all stock bikes, a rider with the will-heart-to win, this is what separates HP from the rest. Or it's fluff LOL

Some people don't like the young guns stepping in the ring with the "veterans", but the truth is I've had to humble myself plenty of times to the younger crowd to learn a new perspective. Nobody likes change, but if you embrace it you will learn a lot.

I wouldn't question the young guys in the chopper scene that know more than the graybeards riding the old bikes that they are on. I like change. My bike sure does not look like yours in any way shape or forum. The runner upper does not see the concept of a dyno chart vs. your head game.

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I'll let you slice my posts up for quoting.

Sounds like you are wearing out there guy.

You constantly attack my skill based on the assumption that...

That there is so much room on the inside, what were you thinking? Oh, your squid line is there for the passing. You left yourself wide open is some wide open shot to profile or are you learning something? Oh, but that's the line you say. See how I don't see it like the instructor do as I say not as I'm too scared of the marbles? LOL

You critiquing a handful of trackday photos of me is funny, too.

Funny how it does not take much to see a photo and if you can't Marquez is leaving rubber around a corner, I guess I'm blind to a still shot. We on the same page gapee grip?

... since it looks to me as though I've been photographed hitting higher corner speeds and lean angles in my first thousand miles of riding this bike than all of your videos combined.

Sure guy, like a major road in or out of towns, I'm going to be on the raggedge of a hot pursuit I see office sir coming around the bend. Of course I'm going to be a whole lot slower than a closed course you begin this apples to oranges haven't got a clue Again.

... maybe you've had your day in the sun,

That's right and I'm not denying your 15 minutes of fame with your trackday romp with the locals. Big difference the riders in that sun were the fastest around the country and they put you in your place on the "I've got this" arena.

Either way, I fully understand that these bikes are more rider limited than HP limited.

Tell Mav that. You bleed the quote, 'a man has got to know his...

My stance since I joined this forum has been the advocacy training.

So far it looks like smile to the camera and leave a wide gap open.

Tunes and parts will always make the bike better, but what's the point if the progression stops at any given level?

All I see is you shitting on a form of training you don't like in favor of what, street miles?

To me, you look like you took a piece of paper, made this many folds into a plane, thru it, flew it and you rate yourself as a top gun instructor is that... Funny, no?

When you've got dumbshits in here deriding the use of BRAKES, you can't possibly expect to be taken seriously.

When you figure out all you need is a front brake... Oh, never mind squidly, use it. I see the skill level you're at.

I see a group of dangerously over-biked, under-skilled riders selling each other snake oil and bad habits. Not everyone, mind you, but enough forum heroes to be disappointed by.

You fall into that category. A disappointment you are getting paid to train whom? Seems you have all the answers to this whatever you are bringing, Mav and The Hand are under skilled, and 1bad will out reflex you I drop the flag... Wad a cigar butt if you are trying to impress.

Wouldn't you rather have a comprehensive set of skills than be an idiot savant?

I rather think out of the box than go to my box LOL

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Jesus you really are a hack.

Now the street guru is going to actually critique my line? Ah, that's cute. You're looking at the midpoint between a double apex at The Ridge Motorsports Park's turn 6, or the Carousel. It requires a wide line between the apexes for proper setup of the second apex and turn 7. But you knew that, right? There are certainly people who could make a pass stick there in a RACE, but we both know it wouldn't be you or any of your road warrior girlfriends.

Hack.

I don't need to be as fast as Marquez to know I'm faster than you and your punk buddies on the street. You can deflect all you like, but your street pace is slow. Not even relative to track pace. Just plain slow. If I rode like that on the street I'd buy a fucking Goldwing.

Hack.

Please, please PLEASE tell me you think the only brake you need is the front. You couldn't possibly make my case for me any more easily.

Hack.

For clarification, I get paid to be on duty in front of a computer and watch ignorant fucks like you slowly implode. My track instruction is free for the org I work with. I am by NO means the fastest or best. But I've brought a lot of street hacks out of the haze of stupidity that guys like you surround them with. The riders I help train go on to be safer, faster riders than anything you seem to be able to produce.

Hack.

So now you'd like to pull your forum heavies into the conversation to try and bolster your faltering position? Okay. First, I never said ALL of you. Just the stereotypically vocal minority who think that yelling louder will vindicate their shitty position. Second, we're talking about some pretty disparate riding disciplines, none of which I claim to be the best or fastest at. I'll bet the names you dropped are awesome at their riding styles, but how do they do elsewhere? More importantly, I'll bet those skilled riders would love the opportunity to train in a discipline they get little experience in. I certainly know I would. Third, and most importantly, those riders aren't you. YOU haven't got much in the way of credentials outside of your post count. You just keep regurgitating rhetoric and bullshit. Maybe that big rubber cock of yours would serve you better if it was buried in your blathering pie hole?

You. Are. A. Hack.

Wearing out? Nah. Just trying to earn my wage in between bouts of spinning you up into an impotent little hissy fit.

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If this thread gets back on track,my dyno runs were done with a PC5 and no flash.Hope fully some post a flashed run for comparison

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I see a group of dangerously over-biked, under-skilled riders selling each other snake oil and bad habits

How dare you, sir?

You openly deride and criticize our resident expert?!

Begone with you! And all your ill humors.

The Turtle is many things misunderstood to those of unfocused attention. It is the quiet, fact gathering mind that grasps the veiled truths.

Your opponent not only has ridden various chassis to their ragged limit, he understands the engineers walk that brought the quick to the table.

You would be well served to SHUT YOUR FUCKING YAP and pay close, quiet attention.

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Darryle has the finest Avatar I have ever seen.

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Darryle has the finest Avatar I have ever seen

yeah buddy!

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Well, Hagrid, I'm no stranger to multiple bikes myself. I've put a lot of hard miles on multiple machines, and I'm certainly not the spring chicken you guys think I am. That being said, the relative intelligence of Hub isn't really the point here. What he says and what he shows paints a pretty dismal picture regarding his skill, so the depth and breadth of his experience seem to be a bit moot.

I would love nothing more than to get schooled by one of you salty old forum dogs. Unfortunately, your shop talk thus far has left me a little concerned regarding your real world skills.

Perhaps, just perhaps, you might unclamp your mouth from Hub's balls and realize that he may not be the pinnacle of skill that you paint him to be in your masturbatory escapades.

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Perhaps, just perhaps, you might unclamp your mouth from Hub's balls

Where mouth on ball action is concerned I abdicate to your expertise as it seems you are clearly an expert. Your enhanced income is derived from hoovering meth addicts whilst on patrol, correct?

No doubt this is how you fund your gay blade track get-togethers with subsequent cheek spreading?

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No Messerschmidt?

page 5 danish-eaters.

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I was wondering when the other type of troll would rear it's cock-gobbling head.

Let's do this, too!

The only extra income is what your dear sweet mother leaves me on the nightstand after I spend the evening taking her to brown town. She used to hand it to me, but I got sick of wiping her poo and tears off of the crumpled singles.

For the record, we only do handjobs at the track. No eye contact, and a lot of tears, but we definitely do handjobs.

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