Let's put it this way... I was wrong. If MM felt the pass was easier at this corner, that was his move. Are you running faster than the guy in front of you? Of course you are, because you are about to pass them. Was MM under the current pole> Yes. Could Rossi hold up MM for laps? If you don't underestimate him, sure why not. Was MM in a hurry for a final last lap? I'm assuming this was the lap to do it in. Did Rossi have to fuck with MM if Rossi knew he had no chance of winning pole? Stop at the 38 second mark, watch MM look down on the green he's in. Rossi was not in the green.

MM knew he blew it and backed off. What did Rossi do? He backed off too. What the fuck for?
So Rossi was more fucking with MM. Why no finish your lap, Rossi? Where was the sportsmanship on Rossi' end. Back off too and now MM had to maneuver out of it or be collected?

Sorry, Rossi looks bad on this one. He's still fucking around with MM. Okay, call it rivals [in Rossi's head] if you will. And yeah, Rossi' still that good holding off MM for his age. But still...

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Oh fer chrissakes...
BOTH Rossi and Marquez had exceeded track limits. Neither lap would count. Mark shoved it up the inside of Rossi
then promptly ran wide ,during which Rossi tried to go back under him. It was just another fuck up by both
riders. Again Yannih, I really don't understand your constant criticism of Rossi.

Spoken like a true bias Rossi fan Mad.
The truth doesn't come into it hey?
The God can do no wrong so don't call it as it is or admit wrong doing.
Not the great Valentino Rossi!
And did you boo the Spanish national anthem like your fellow Rossi compatriots?

Yes both riders exceeded track limits as you mention but what you conveniently left out is thats not the whole story is it Mad?
Rossi ran outside of track limits first and unprovoked. At that stage he was out of the game but he didn't stand aside as he should have and allow anyone behind him to have their shot did he? He stayed on the racing line.
Marquez was on his final qualifying lap because time for the session had run out. He was also ahead of the fastest qualifying time to that stage. It was do or die. He had a slower rider in front of him that should not have even been there in the first place. He had to get by Rossi to gain any kind of result and risk all on an overtake that he should not have had to perform. And he ran wide and off track limits in the attempt.
Then Rossi chopped the throttle and nearly caused an accident.
WATCH THE VIDEO!!!

I am very happy to be proven wrong by anyone including all on this forum and if I am I will freely admit it.
But if bias dribble is presented I will call that out...

Whats the final result after the race proper?
Marquez from 5th to 1st for one of the sweetest victories of his career shoving it right up Valentino Rossi and his antics from the day before.
Rossi a distant 4th from 7th and off the podium including offering Marquez zero competition or concern.
Again.

Or are you going to deny and make excuses for that as well Mad?

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Yannih, I've tried to be polite to you. You seem like a decent dude. But you insist on these bullshit attacks because I have a different view of racing than you do.
Since you apparently didn't read my post, I said that BOTH riders had exceeded track limits. So NEITHER lap was
going to count. And since you feel Rossi is some kind of Major Asshole,how about the way your hero parked it
on the last lap and almost caused Q to ass pack him?
I respect ALL the riders. Even Rabat could kick ALL our asses. I have been a fan of Rossi, I admit it. But that doesn't give you the right to be a jerk to me.

Mad

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You must have some thin skin there Mad and maybe still suffering a little from post Bumpitis.
I am not Bump.

You and I have a differing point of view so we discuss it.
But notice how I give detailed reasoning behind mine but that doesn't seem to come back.

I said that BOTH riders had exceeded track limits. So NEITHER lap was
going to count.

Yes I read that. Twice. And I answered you.

Yes both riders exceeded track limits as you mention but what you conveniently left out is thats not the whole story is it Mad?
Rossi ran outside of track limits first and unprovoked. At that stage he was out of the game but he didn't stand aside as he should have and allow anyone behind him to have their shot did he? He stayed on the racing line.
Marquez was on his final qualifying lap because time for the session had run out. He was also ahead of the fastest qualifying time to that stage. It was do or die. He had a slower rider in front of him that should not have even been there in the first place. He had to get by Rossi to gain any kind of result and risk all on an overtake that he should not have had to perform. And he ran wide and off track limits in the attempt.

A very detailed response.
Instead of falsely accusing me of not reading your post which I obviously did, show me where I am wrong and why.
As I have said over and over prove me wrong and I will gladly retract.
But there are 3 things on this forum where that has not happened.
Religion.
The 5th Amendment.
And Valentino Rossi.

I have already admitted I have a bias against Rossi. Thats no secret.
Just like his fans have a bias towards him. And that also is no secret.
Difference is over and over I have given credit where due.
But Rossi's fan just will not call him out when he gets it wrong. And he gets it wrong just like any other human being.

Again Yannih, I really don't understand your constant criticism of Rossi.

Don't just say it Mad. Back it and tell me why! I back every comment I have made against Rossi.
Call me out Mad.
Happy to be shown where I got it wrong.
Give me credit for one thing though.
Im making a stand pretty much on my own for what I believe here.
I'm not taking the easy comfortable way out by sticking with the majority and status quo.

how about the way your hero parked it on the last lap and almost caused Q to ass pack him?

If Qman would have rear ended Marquez and both had failed to finish there would have been massive implications and the race completion would have completely changed.
Its a valid point and I'm happy to concede there is potentially an issue there.
So why can't you or others do the same when Rossi gets it wrong?

I apologise again if I was out of line but it gets a bit frustrating when I take time to specifically rebut a point, its there in black and white, and then get told I didn't read the post...

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Yannih, your "detailed" accounts are just YOUR opinions. As far as I can tell, you aren't some clairvoyant or God for that matter. And why do you insist on bringing in subjects that have nothing to do with the topic at hand?
I don't expect you to like me, but I thought you weren't the type to resort to childish insults and attacks.
I see now that I was wrong.
I'm done with this.

Mad

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I still respect your attempts at justifying what you believe, I just find the entire atmosphere exhausting.

Mad

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Again words without a single example, reasoning behind the statements, or proof to support your what you propose.

Yannih, your "detailed" accounts are just YOUR opinions.

What is a point of view Mad?
It's an opinion!
And I mention that these are my points of view.
When did I say otherwise?
So what is your point?

As far as I can tell, you aren't some clairvoyant or God for that matter. And why do you insist on bringing in subjects that have nothing to do with the topic at hand?

What are you on about now? You just write ridiculous childish dribble with no basis behind it.
There is a reason behind every word I have written. Show where your statement is backed by fact and stands up!

I don't expect you to like me, but I thought you weren't the type to resort to childish insults and attacks.

I didn't think my comments were that bad but admittedly thats subjective. Thats the reason why I apologised to you in case you see it differently.
But thats not good enough for you is it Mad?
I also added a as a goodwill gesture but even that obviously wasn't accepted.
You don't let things go. You need to hold grudges.
You are obviously a cream puff who is clearly offended whenever you are challenged regarding what you believe. It appears wrapping yourself in cotton wool still wouldn't protect you from your feelings being hurt.
Get over yourself and man up.

I'm done with this.

Excellent. You can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Go start your own thread on pussycats and puppy dogs.
You'll be nice and safe there.

Never thought I'd say this.
Bump may have been right!

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When Zarco was in moto2, he was someone to watch. When he came to gp, he showed brilliance. Here I thought he was a setup man. I look for a racer that can jump on shitrash bikes and be in the hunt. Don't you think Zarco could have jumped on any bike and showed that distinction one more time? Switching to another bike shouldn't be that much of a problem you'd think. Hours on the track can tick you down to knocking off seconds every time out. But that much of a gap is the learning curve?

Miller jumped from honda to a duc. And to water he did. Someone's opinion says Zarco just does not like the bike. I say BS. It's more than just the bike. This sport is all about head gaming oneself. Crashing is one thing. Struggling with a bike is another. Lorenzo figured it out. I'm trying to figure out if Zarco is more or less a flash in the pan burnout.

Take your contract and sit-out the rest of the year. So says: Forkinnews

Zarco, you had a run at it and it sure was entertaining while it lasted.

Next!

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Yeah its sad to see a talent of any kind falter at the highest level.
If you were watching Misano qualifying, did you see Zarco and his crew in the pits? It looked like someone had died! Very negative and toxic.

Imagine if Qman suddenly lost it after what he has shown...

Lets hope Zarco can come back in some capacity and show all what he had/has...

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Speak of the devil, there you go.

Zarco out of KTM and MotoGP!
Correct and brave decision by the manufacturer in my opinion.
KTM are spending millions competing in MotoGP and if your rider is not 100% committed, then it's nothing but a liability and whats the point?

Bet Zarco is now regretting his decision to chuck it in at the end of the season, but good luck Mika Kalio.
What an unexpected out of the blue opportunity...

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Marc Marquez, Spain (Hon RC213V), 1:46.869
Maverick Vinales, Spain (Yam YZR-M1), 1:48.486
Fabio Quartararo, France (Yam YZR-M1), 1:48.870

Ouch! Look at the numbers this way... 2 seconds off the pace? MM is going to race against himself. These other two will go at it more or less. Slow, Zarco says all the contracts for next year are signed, whereas he sits out the rest of the year with the same view we are watching from. He's going to stay in shape and wait a whole year and find a ride in 2021? Some guys can come right back from a layoff, but I'm not too sure about Zarco. Wait a whole year and who knows what kind of talent trickles in from the moto2 graduates. Qman is still blooming. Mir and Morbidelli might be in the hunt next year. IDK.

Ahhh, he's forked!

Where's... Oh, there he is... 17th. Yes I know, it's just a warm up day. Take the bet, yannih... He's top 10 at the end of the race. He's top 7 we include a crash fest.

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1. Maverick Vinales, Spain (Yam YZR-M1), 1:48.014
2. Valentino Rossi, Italy (Yam YZR-M1), 1:48.071
3. Fabio Quartararo, France (Yam YZR-M1), 1:48.117

Rain is predicted. Shit, where is Zarco when you need him. I'm just looking at a decent rain rider... Let me see... Rossi.

Don't underestimate the doctor. Rare is the bird.

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****SPOILER ALERT FOR THE ARAGON MOTOGP***
If you haven't seen it yet and don't want to know the results then read no further...

Marquez was on another planet for his victory but the day also belonged to Dovi and Miller with their super skill and Ducati power to achieve 2nd and 3rd places respectively.

Sorry Hub but your boy just keeps proving me right over and over with a very weak 8th place 23 seconds behind.

Lorenzo at second last is doing a strong impression of the head screwed Zarco...

Lastly, did Ducati make their 2020 factory ride decision with Petruci too soon?
Miller is absolutely crueling him...

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Hold on, yanni. Notice the bet I was making. Top 10 no one crashes. Sounds like he made it. We both know the odds of winning are pretty much a given with age alone. I'll still save face by adding that you do not count him out because of his heart for the sport.

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I'll still save face by adding that you do not count him out because of his heart for the sport.

Well Hub, it's obvious you don't pay Rossi's wages because I can tell you those that do expect a lot more than "heart for the sport" for their millions of dollars!

I also forgot to mention Qman.
Another super strong rookie performance at 4th place...

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those that do expect a lot more than "heart for the sport" for their millions of dollars!

I think we all know he is part of filling the bleachers. It's more like show up so he keeps associating with the product. I'm sure corporate knows he may never win again, but he's a brand in itself. If you can imagine, he's one of those icons of the bike scene. Here it's NASCAR. When he was alive Dale Earnhardt filled the seats if that name sounds familiar, plus the chevy association that goes along with it.

https://www.bikesrepublic.com/featured/much-money-motogp-riders-make/

MM might surpass Rossi's titles. MM is your best shot to knock Rossi off for 3rd place OL. With the big2 of the big4 pulling out of American roadracing, the US has nothing to bring to the table. Joe Roberts is an embarrassment. One up and comer has moved to Spain. Still too young to enter moto3, but is being groomed for motogp. Rossi Moor is the name.

Other than that, the europeans rule this sport.

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On another website, someone wished MM broke something. I tend to agree with one of the commentators that MM should wrap this thing up tomorrow. But Qman might have other ideas. Morbidelli my darkhorse; might make something happen. Say a duc is looking good no matter the rider.

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On another website, someone wished MM broke something.

I hate this sort of attitude.
Though not a fan I would never wish any bad luck or especially physical harm to Valentino Rossi.

My hope for this race?
Give Qman his much deserved first MotoGP win and Marquez to finish second or anywhere in front of Dovi for World Championship number 8.
Vinales might have something to say about all that though.

And as always, go Thriller Miller...

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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/marquezs-thailand-motogp-crash-analysed-141233254.html

Hey yanni, did you catch that 'yammie down on hp' video on motogp? I forgot the title but this might reference it. So anyway, you should see Rossi blow-off one of his crew. You'd have to keep an eye on the look of the crewman as he turns his head seeing Rossi walk away. Then Rossi makes eye contact with the yammie engineers, or maybe the engineers were too ashamed to look at Rossi. It was a "Dick Moment"... you're gonna love it. I did.

Shit yanni, you've got a whole afternoon's worth of racing ahead. I'll probably find myself falling asleep like I did qualifying. Did you count the winglets on some of the bikes now? 3 down the one side. Next year look out!

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Well, Golden Boy did not choke. Cheap entertainment right down to the last turn.

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Hey yanni, did you catch that 'yammie down on hp' video on motogp? I forgot the title but this might reference it. So anyway, you should see Rossi blow-off one of his crew. You'd have to keep an eye on the look of the crewman as he turns his head seeing Rossi walk away. Then Rossi makes eye contact with the yammie engineers, or maybe the engineers were too ashamed to look at Rossi. It was a "Dick Moment"...

I found and watched the video Hub.
The title is "Yamaha need top speed for the 2020 Championship" on the MotoGP site.
Yeah, the crew member copped it good from Rossi.
But the bit I found funny was when they were talking about the gained performance of the Yamaha, they showed Rossi overtaking a factory Repsol Honda.
But it wasn't Marquez.
It was the hopelessly out of form Lorenzo so it would have been a battle for about 10th place!

The Yamaha is definitely down on HP, but stronger in other area's.
Two words prove it's not soley the bike.
Vinales and Quartararo!
Especially Quartararo who is not even on factory machinery and yet has raced at the front with and taken it right to Marquez. Marquez had to use every bit of his skill, talent and experience to beat the rookie in the last two races on the last lap.

What a 2020 MotoGP season it's going to be with Qman showing so much potential.
Marquez will have to deal with another level of pressure that he hasn't seen since he joined the premier class.

Shit yanni, you've got a whole afternoon's worth of racing ahead. I'll probably find myself falling asleep like I did qualifying.

No sleep here and loved every second!

Mark Marquez World Championship number 8.
And what a way to do it.

Congrats and You Beauty Marc...

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Congrats to Marquez, he rode a champion's season. I was glad he wasn't too hurt after his massive
high side on Friday. He just proves that, even when it would be smart to just ride for points, he has
that killer instinct. Wants to win at all costs.
On another note, I heard that Zarco may be Yamaha's European Test Team rider. Not a bad gig for him.

Mad

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Hey Hub, watching Rossi's mechanic cop a serve was funny.

But watching Rossi when asked about Marquez's 8th World Championship was pure gold.
Every MotoGP rider when interviewed went on and on lavishing superlative after superlative on number 93.
It didn't matter which manufacturer they were riding for.
It was just never ending praise.
And then Valentino's turn and response?
"Very strong, very fast and he deserves the Championship."
That was it.
Man that must of hurt...

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https://bangshift.com/bangshiftapex/video-prepare-obsessed-dave-roper-first-american-win-isle-man-tt/
Ha~Rossi wishes he was Dave in the present. This guy has been around for so long I saw him at a race a few years back. I walked up to him and asked, 'When are you going to retire?' As soon as I saw him crack his lips apart, I pat him on the back and before a word came out I said, 'I was only kidding.' I split from him and walked back to my pit. I hope he got the joke; that or call me a dick.

https://www.roadracingworld.com/news/ahrma-complete-race-results-from-the-barber-vintage-festival/
This is how good this guy is to this day. The shortcut key is ctrl+F for find, then type his name in the box.

So here I'm thinking Zarc is a setup wiz, but I guess not. Was it Lorenzo that said something like; you thought the ktm was hard to ride, wait till you jump on a honda. Shit! A buddy and I were taking about a kid racer that was a Zarco kind of flash in the pan. He was over europe for a few years. Was kicking ass but when it came to the end of the season, he was were Zarco landed; just a few short of last place.

So that means... It better rain the rest of the season or put a fork it. That's the only way I see Zarco running up front.

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