No matter which side of the political fence you sit on, the potential threat of the Muslim faith, its religious beliefs and ideologies are there for all to see.
Forget PC. Forget being seen to say the right thing. Forget offending people. Forget the do gooders.
The facts are the facts.

Radical Muslim Minority

* Last updated by: yannih on 2/21/2017 @ 7:42 PM *

We have had enough hungry, tired and poor for the last 50 years. We only can use the well educated, motivated and loyal now. Times change.

yanni, i have no way of knowing how accurate any statistics are. I am a little sceptical. Shapiro's statistics may have been spun somehow. What I learned a couple decades ago is that you don't ask a Muslim about their religion. They will not talk to you about it and they may get pretty angry at you for asking. So I'm wondering how anyone would get Muslims to share their opinions about things like honor killings, terrorist attacks and Sharia law? Many people will claim that Muslims immigrants don't want to say anything negative about any part of Islam because they fear that they or family members still living in their country will suffer reprisals. What is alarming to me are the videos of antisocial, anti-citizen behavior in Western Muslim communities.

* Last updated by: Rook on 2/21/2017 @ 8:43 PM *

No matter which side of the political fence you sit on, the potential threat of the Muslim faith, its religious beliefs and ideologies are there for all to see.
Forget PC. Forget being seen to say the right thing. Forget offending people. Forget the do gooders.
The facts are the facts.

yannih, if we live our life in fear, our enemies win. The truth is we can be minding our own business shopping at a department store with our family, the day some crazy person decides to blow up the store, and kill everyone inside.

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Target terror: Man arrested for plotting in-store attacks

OCALA, Fla. — A Florida man was arrested for planning to set off explosives inside Target stores up and down the East Coast, including Virginia.

Mark Charles Barnett, 48, planned to place the explosives inside boxes of food on Target store shelves, according to an Ocala report.

Barnett, investigators said, was willing to pay a “confidential source” $10,000 to plant 10 booby trapped boxes of cereal, pasta, and breakfast bars inside Target stores.

Barnett allegedly built 10 explosive devices and disguised them as food-item boxes, and he delivered those boxes to an unnamed person to place them in Target stores along the East Coast, according to a federal criminal complaint.

When someone would grab the box — the box would be rigged to explode.

Barnett faces charges of possession of a firearm or destructive device by a previously convicted felon. He faces up to 10 years in federal prison.

http://wtvr.com/2017/02/17/target-explosives-arrest/

* Last updated by: KoflaOlivieri on 2/21/2017 @ 9:36 PM *

I have watched many Shapiro debates and I think the guy is pretty intelligent and switched on.
He message is not without fault in this clip though.
He sites Muslims mutilating infant female genetalia as an extremely negative practice when his own religion does exactly the same thing in mutilating infant males genetalia .

Yes, you have a point Rook. I do not know where these belief stats come from as Shapiro only mentions the source of population stats from 2011.
However on the whole it comes as little surprise as to the stats he quotes when you consider the teachings of the Koran and its non acceptance of any other belief.

Also, does anyone here truly believe Obama's description of
"Islam teaches peace. Muslims the world over aspire to live with dignity and a sense of justice"?
Political correctness at it's very best, or more like worst.

Rook says
"What I learned a couple decades ago is that you don't ask a Muslim about their religion. They will not talk to you about it and they may get pretty angry at you for asking. So I'm wondering how anyone would get Muslims to share their opinions about things like honor killings, terrorist attacks and Sharia law? Many people will claim that Muslims immigrants don't want to say anything negative about any part of Islam because they fear that they or family members still living in their country will suffer reprisals."
Perhaps it was an anonomys survey? One thing is for sure if your comment is accurate Rook.
The stats Shapiro quote must be conservative and the issue is therefore compounded...

* Last updated by: yannih on 2/21/2017 @ 9:35 PM *

Kofla, what exactly did you slice and dice out of the article that shows a weak argument? The jerkoff's motive...
'Federal investigators said Barnett’s motive was to terrorize Target to make the company’s stock fall, so he could then buy it at a cheaper price.'

So Kofla, the reason why the islamenace blew up some whackypacky shrine is to drop the price of target's stock. Are you telling me that's how you think as a liberal is this is all you've got to justify why there is a ban on the cult criminals? They're now target terrorists, don't let them in the country, soon they'll blow up __________ fill in the stock so that price goes down too? That's the menace's movement.... Righhhhhhht.

Yes or no, I can't see the difference between a terrorist, or, yes or no, I do not understand the war book.

Silence means you are clueless as in 3 strikes [me getting a simple answer out of] your retentive liberal ass is closed like a border...

'no proof'.well yanman...i disagree.there was time when i was right there with ya.so i know both sides.i haltingly 'believed' at first.then started reading.'religiously' if you will.things of my life up to these beginnings of epiphanies began to take on a whole new meaning for me.i soon realized that what i was experiencing was not of my making or understanding.i knew that.that's where i really began to get involved with my own personal life change and thought change.instead of being 'confused' about what it was saying,it took on a whole new and different life of it's own.i knew it was real.as it still is today.sometimes facts are visible through physical dimensions.other times,facts can be virtually non visible,yet the perspective of the experiencer has revealed it as fact.god,his son.his spirit and his word are all on faith.if you choose to override your doubts,and open up to 'it could be',then you will see.if you make no honest attempt to believe,you will not see.god is by faith.once experienced,there's no substitute.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 2/21/2017 @ 11:34 PM *

Kofla, what exactly did you slice and dice out of the article that shows a weak argument?

Hub, are you implying that this individual who planned to terrorize department stores by setting off explosives aimed to kill people for financial gains is not a terrorist? lol

Last Friday, a former American soldier from Kansas city was arrested, accused of plotting a terror attack. Are we going to now ban people from Kansas City?

Note, that nowhere in neither one of my two threads did I say that I condone radical Islamic terrorism. There is no denying that we have a problem.

Having said that, tell me how many refugees have committed fatal terror attacks from the countries included in Trump's ban list? How many fatal attacks have been carried out from people in Trump's list in the United States since 9/11?

"Since 9/11, no one has been killed in this country in a terrorist attack by anyone who emigrated from any of the seven countries," added William C. Banks, director of the Institute for National Security and Counterterrorism at Syracuse University College of Law. Those countries are Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

The fact is most of the 9/11 conspirators came from Saudi Arabia. The rest are from Egypt, Lebanon, and the United Arab Emirates.

The reason Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, and the United Arab Emirates are NOT included in the list is because those countries also happen to be places where President Trump and his family have business interests. The hypocrisy of the Muslim ban is simply "make believe". Donald Trump is our modern-day Wizard of Oz.

9/11 Hijackers by Nationality:
Egypt
Mohamed Atta

Lebanon
Ziad Jarrah

Saudi Arabia
Ahmed al Ghamdi
Hamza al Ghamdi
Saeed al Ghamdi
Hani Hanjour
Nawaf al Hazmi
Salem al Hazmi
Ahmad al Haznawi
Ahmed al Nami
Khalid al Mihdhar
Majed Moqed
Abdul Aziz al Omari
Mohand al Shehri
Wail al Shehri
Waleed al Shehri
Satam al Suqami

United Arab Emirates
Fayez Banihammad
Marwan al Shehhi

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Hijackers by Airplane:
American Airlines Flight 11 (Struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center)
Mohamed Atta - Egypt, tactical leader of 9/11 plot and pilot
Abdul Aziz al Omari - Saudi Arabia
Wail al Shehri - Saudi Arabia
Waleed al Shehri - Saudi Arabia
Satam al Suqami - Saudi Arabia

United Airlines Flight 175 (Struck the South Tower of the World Trade Center)
Fayez Banihammad - United Arab Emirates
Ahmed al Ghamdi - Saudi Arabia
Hamza al Ghamdi - Saudi Arabia
Marwan al Shehhi - United Arab Emirates, pilot
Mohand al Shehri - Saudi Arabia

American Airlines Flight 77 (Struck the Pentagon Building in Washington, DC)
Hani Hanjour - Saudi Arabia, pilot
Nawaf al Hazmi - Saudi Arabia
Salem al Hazmi - Saudi Arabia
Khalid al Mihdhar - Saudi Arabia
Majed Moqed - Saudi Arabia

United Airlines Flight 93 (Crashes in a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.)
Saeed al Ghamdi - Saudi Arabia
Ahmad al Haznawi - Saudi Arabia
Ziad Jarrah - Lebanon, pilot
Ahmed al Nami - Saudi Arabia

From the online free-dictionary, line 4 for the word 'terror':

4. Violence committed or threatened by a group, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.

You bring in a single person with an economic goal as his means of terror. Where was that going if the laundry list of names are in support of those with a political goal you now bring in. Do you see a pattern? And won't those not on the list that enter, won't they be under surveillance either way?

Finally, you bring in a political agenda. And how lame is that agenda? Lame is lame is-lame is the key to the __________ Fill in the blank.

Yes or no... I know what the agenda of the cult is, the fill of the blank is...

So how many kids pop out of the cult that need a place to pray 5 times, if not out in the streets bowing to the cult and their own crusade of landkind, meaning, you are giving up land for terrorist hall meetings in buildings that look like upside down toilet bowls. And don't tell that guy his cult call to that opening payer [is you] with what did that guy warn you about and you still don't get it?

Yes or no... I don't believe they start out praying for an overthrow of their host cuntree tizz of thee. And you want them to still come in and pray 5 times a day with that cultcrap, yes or no is the overthrow.

Yes or no... I am a cult follower and only follow cult law, fuck any other law, you dumb shittyits, or I am no longer a follower of the cult, I might as well drop every other law in the war book of books called _______ Fill in the fucking blank you have a homework assignment...

You bring in a single person with an economic goal as his means of terror. Where was that going if the laundry list of names are in support of those with a political goal you now bring in. Do you see a pattern? And won't those not on the list that enter, won't they be under surveillance either way?

So, again, you are implying that this individual who planned to terrorize department stores by setting off explosives aimed to kill people for financial gains is not a terrorist. You still didn't answer my question: how many fatal attacks have been carried out from people in Trump's list in the United States since 9/11?

Under the current United States law, set forth in the USA Patriot Act, acts of domestic terrorism are those which: (A) involves acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any state, (B) appear to be intended - (1) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population

'The reason Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, and the United Arab Emirates are NOT included in the list is because those countries also happen to be places where President Trump and his family have business interests'...please,let's remember who came up with this list.if you're gonna throw statements of blame out there...at least be honest about it.btw...trump(or anyone else)is allowed by God to have business dealings with whomever they want.I can pretty well imagine the clintons and the bushes had(or have)business ties to some of those mentioned above.That's NOT the issue.there are people throughout this world muslim or not that actually like america.it's the nut jobs in between that screw things up for everyone.again,whether muslim or not.actually,those people being stopped from coming here(temporarily)UNDERSTAND the reasoning for it.They're living it daily.it's already been explained WHY it is how it is,for now.

'Trump's list'..again,it aint 'trumps list'. I don't know HOW SO MANY people here don't know that VERY SIMPLE fact.Amazing.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 2/22/2017 @ 10:11 AM *

please,let's remember who came up with this list.if you're gonna throw statements of blame out there...at least be honest about it.

And talking about throwing statements of blame out there....it appears you haven't been listening to Trump's speeches. lol

Please explain how all of the sudden Trump is following obama's directives, when Trump and the GOP spent eight years delegitimizing/demonizing him and criticizing his policies?

https://youtu.be/mAmtA_sMz8o

btw...he's been trying to find a workaround on barack's policy.he's not simply implementing it.that'd be the easy way out.he's not into 'easy'.

'Please explain how all of the sudden Trump is following obama's directives'...ummm...i wouldn't go so far as to say 'following'.besides...you guys(god Bless Ya)voted barack and his agenda into power.now a president's actually fulfilling his promises.and people are are crying 'foul' .hey...get on board,or stand in awe.lol.seriously...trump honestly gives a shit about the us.why do you think there's so much bashing goin on towards him.as it has always been...evil hates the light,and will not come to the light lest it's deeds be revealed.but the righteous are bold as lions.a city on a hill cannot be hidden,neither do you put a bushel basket over a candle.you remove the basket so that all that are in the house may have light.that's what's REALLY goin on.Evil doers hate the light,because their deeds are evil,but the righteous stand IN the light,and indeed ARE the light of life.Fearless...brave.Courageous.Self sacrificing.Trump is one of those 'christians'('light bearers').Followers of the light.Fearless...brave.Courageous,self sacrificing.What's NOT to like?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 2/22/2017 @ 10:58 AM *

(1) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population

I'll try to explain it this way. If you want to define a terrorist, yes, I agree he is an 'economic' terrorist. Does he have buddies with like minded ideas to go after Lowe's and Costco? Sounds lame, right? Or is he just a lone wolf because he likes walmart or whatever stock price he wants to bring down, shit, I'd wait for a correction to get in at a better price. Now look at the idiot. That is A Weak Argument to think a single individual is not associated with other like minded fanatics. But those with an agenda to overthrow a western nation, then no, he's not the current terrorist we are up against.

Constitutionally speaking, here is the catch22 between the clueless, and the smarter perps. There is no separation between shithere law and all those books for every simple way of life between eating, marriage, who gets what upon death; was addressed back then as it is today. The laws of the cult are called??? __________ Fill in the blank.

What ties a cult follower to their shithere laws? And if you think you are going to remove the cult from what to follow, then follow the western constitution, then you must be clueless.

Yes or no:
1. I might as well quit the cult if I cannot follow the laws of the wishthinkers and their message.
2. I might as well overthrow one law for the only laws of the cult or the cult might as well not exist.
3. I might as well watch or read the current state of the cult entering europe and did england submit to cult laws?
4. I might as well see if I can see the cult's cloth or whatever dress is to ask if there is assimilation happening after all those years in europe?

how many fatal attacks have been carried out from people in Trump's list in the United States since 9/11?

4. Violence committed or threatened by a group, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/16/driver-arrested-at-usmexico-border-after-4-chinese-immigrants-found-stuffed-in-trunk.html

Surprise! Now Chinese people are crossing the border. It is certainly easier than swimming across the ocean. Yeh, if amigos can come to US and stay here illegally with all support from various organizations, why not, right?