As the title states. I just ordered a new Leo Vince Evo2 full exhaust and its on the way. My bike has extended warranty and im not sure if I want the ECU flash. I'm on the fence with pcv5 or screw warranty and do the ecu flash atm. I wanted this exhaust due to the quietness it has vs others. I also know its not a common exhaust. Does anyone have a base map for this exhaust till I can get it dynotuned. There is nothing near me in the Ocala area atm. Powercommander site doesn't even have a akra map on it for the 14r which I would use for temp purposes.

* Last updated by: King2014 on 9/14/2015 @ 6:18 PM *

King first you don't need to do any fueling changes because you're putting an exhaust on there. So keep that in mind. As far as AFRs, it's not like the old days when adding pipes and not rejetting would end up with holes burnt through your pistons. Stock ECU runs things fairly rich, even if the exhaust leans it out a bit plenty of safety margin there.

If you insist on fueling mods, Ivan's Performance is who I'd talk to. The more I've learned about Ivan, the more respect the man is getting from me. There's a lot of bullshit out there on flashing, there's no doubt about it. However, I've been able to validate claims Ivan makes such as his competition using software the password encrypts ECUs.

Stock fueling on 14Rs is fantastic though, I have one of the best cookie cutter ECU flashes and honestly cannot tell the difference between my stock ECU and the flashed ECU (I have 2 ECUs..you might consider this option as well). NOTE: If you modify your OE ECU you might as well say bye bye to your warranty.

IMO you might be best off with just a basic flash, +500 rev limiter, disable safety mode, retain last TRC setting (if you want to run FOFF), fuel cut (software).

Note that specifically CBlast cannot do the fuel cut modification in the ECU. This is likely one of the biggest changes in "smoothness" that someone can do. Ivan can do it, CBlast can't. Not sure on Brock/Guhls.

I gotcha. I'm so used to having to make changes that are mandatory. I came from a 1397 busa so the 14 is totally new to me. I'll try it how it is first. If anything I know how to modify the base map and add fuel up top myself..just by feel if it feels too lean. Thanks for the info. And yes I might give Ivan a holla. Thanks again Vic

King my recommendation is to get some numbers before you do mods, and test those numbers afterwards. And I don't mean dyno numbers because well unless you're in a dyno competition it doesn't mean a whole lot. Mechanics were tested for hand tightening fasteners to a torque specification, not one got torque to spec right not even in 15%, many times being off as much as 25% or more much higher off. So guess if you want, butt dyno cannot be trusted.

A lot of people here have respect for Rick Romans who also flashes ECUs. I'm pretty sure he uses WRT, which means he can't do fuel cut. It also means once your ECU is flashed, it can NEVER be restored to OE condition as far as how Kawasaki see's the ECU. It's never been clear to me exactly what his flash is supposed to do. I don't know if it's supposed to make the bike faster, or smoother, or what. My guess is his flash is probably on par with CBlast flash which in timed test made no changes to my bike's acceleration rate in 3rd and 4th gear pulls.

Quite honestly if I had it all over again, I would've just got the basic Schnitz Flash for $75.

Increased Rev Limiter to 11,500 RPM (+500rpm from stock)
Top Speed Limiter Removed
Secondary Fly's will open more aggressively to give noticeable power gains below 5,000 RPM
Traction Control Set to Retain Last Setting (Great for those who hate turning that $hit back off every time you turn the key on) *You still have full adjustment and use of the traction control settings.
Safety Mode Completely Disabled to Prevent Power Loss Under Hard Acceleration (This does not effect your select mode switch)
Stock O2 Sensor Disabled
Radiator Fans Set to come on at 90*C (194*F)

It's basically what I feel like I got with the CBlast flash, but instead of $75 it was $400.

That might be all I would need then. Thanks man. I'll check out the basic flash

A lot of people here have respect for Rick Romans who also flashes ECUs.

I hope this is because members know I will Never Ever lie to them to make sales. I for sure am No Sales Man. Telling the truth always seems to make someone Mad. I actively search out no one for their money. If they come to me, I flash their ECU's for 250 Dollars plus 20 for shipping. The Best Bang For The buck you will ever do. Promise.

I've been asked in PM's many times why my flash is so cheap. My answer has always been the same. "Because that's All It's worth". The answer given is based my own opinion of what's in All the Flashes out there.

I myself would pay 1000 dollars for a flash that would guarantee me (And all bikes)that my bike would run the 13.8 AFR required to run the fastest back half mile per hour. Also must come with a 13.3 to 13.5 everywhere in the daily driving range for that bottom end torque. Needs to have a leaner Sweet spot for 70 mph on the highway for long trips. Quick throttle response, excellent gas milage. Because no one Can offer such a flash(Because it's impossible),,, 250 is all their worth. (Fueling Must be done on your own bike to achieve this).

It's never been clear to me exactly what his flash is supposed to do. I don't know if it's supposed to make the bike faster, or smoother, or what

hmmm, internet. I do hate it sometimes. Would seem some only see what that want to see. I brought this over from page 22 Romans Flash Click here. The member(Blkcasper)below did his own scientific testing. Spending his own money and time.

Blkcasper did his study strapped to a Dyno using a computer to record results. Now, Don't get caught up in Dyno Numbers but stare closely at "Time To Distance results".

Guys reading reports of a flashed bikes being slower than stock bikes has my head spinning. This has sent me in looking for on the Dyno Testing reports.

Results reported here prove quite the opposite.

Blkcasper had spent the time and money to get Dyno Testing Results for his own need to know as proof his bike was indeed faster after Flash. Here is what he had to say. On The Dyno sheets shown, Click

History for reference, Bike setup at 7900 miles dyno done on 2/13
Brocks pair block off, two brothers slip ons,two brothers db1 sound tips, flys removed, stock gearing, stock wheel base, pc5 with custom map, pilot rd 3 with 300 miles on them: Here's the dyno chart:
200hp 113-114 Trq doesn't show afr but tuned to 13.1-13.5

2nd dyno done 4/14, 21k miles, bike setup same as above with following additions:
Romans flash no pc5, streched 10 inches, pilot rd3 with about 13k on them, full tune up andd valves just done,
Dyno results: 198hp 114-115 Trq doesn't show afr but is 13.1- 13.5

Actually I'm very pleased with the results. Considering the dyno runs were done almost a year apart, hp and trq numbers are almost the same. 2hp less but 2 lbs more trq. What's hard to see in the chart's is that after the flash and the 10 inch stretch, looking at the the graphs the bike is making more power sooner, accelerating harder, and faster. 1st run took 5.161 seconds to peak out. Second run took 5.004 seconds to peak out. That's close to 2/10 of a second faster if im reading the chart's correctly. Riding on the streets I can definitely feel a difference in acceleration when running up through the gears.

As you can see. This bike makes anywhere from 195-210hp with just bolts and and full system with whatever setup you chose. As seen from many dyno charts posted. What it doesn't capture is the difference in what a flash makes with how it feels in the lower 1-4 gears. I can tell you for a fact its neutered in the lower 4 gears. With Romans flash its a totally different bike in that range. Like brocks says..Stupid fast.
Its says dyno tuning on chart. No real changes done. just the way I marked chart.
Im so happy with it. I've put over 2k miles on bike since flash. Its a beast.
Thanks Romans. .

My guess is his flash is probably on par with CBlast flash which in timed test made no changes to my bike's acceleration rate in 3rd and 4th gear pulls.

As you have just read above that is a Bad guess.

Quite honestly if I had it all over again, I would've just got the basic Schnitz Flash for $75.

I had great hopes for this flash. My thinking was it would end all the flash money grabbing and would restore the ability to post Facts of what's in "Your Bikes Flash". It is YOUR BIKE. You deserve to know. Then together we could all post what works in the real world. Greed Killed that dream.

Romans you seem like a really nice guy. You claim to be honest Abe, and maybe you are. But you're kind of like Hub where a lot of time when it comes to important issues and details you cloak your answers in riddles and ambiguity. For example this post.

Romans distance over time is how all dynos measure acceleration and convert that into the numbers we see. But that's the point, static dyno dynamic machine (ram air). If people are tuning ram air bikes on static dynos, it's pretty much proven it's possible to lean out AFRs to replicate much of the power added by ram air. However, then in real world riding these static maps don't end up working because when ram air charge starts up the AFRs are no longer optimal. The only real option is either do live data collection or use a dyno that has the ram air compensation (basically high velocity fans with ducts to the ram air intake).

So here's some very simple questions for abe...

If a person buys your flash service, will it result in faster acceleration times over stock?
If a person buys your flash service, will the throttle response be improved over stock?
In what way can a person verify these results in real world riding?
What other reasons should someone pay $250 for your flash compared to a $75 Schnitz, or a $375 Ivan, or a $325 Guhl?

I had great hopes for this flash. My thinking was it would end all the flash money grabbing and would restore the ability to post Facts of what's in "Your Bikes Flash". It is YOUR BIKE. You deserve to know. Then together we could all post what works in the real world. Greed Killed that dream.

I agree with you Roman. I'm no stranger to bikes just new to the 14r. I think everyone deserves to make a little profit but dang.

I ride as a street rider now..Not hell on wheels like I used to which is why I got a full system that suites me now. I certainly understand the flashes as I've read up a lot on here and certainly understand the drivability vs the drag race all out maps too. It certainly is impossible to have it all. I used to have 2 maps for my 1397 busa. One for the strip and the other for the street drivability. I'm just looking for a map for Drivability on this 14r. Won't modify it at all really. Just mapping and full system. Might do the ecu later..not sure..Just enjoying the bike as its hands down the best bike I ever owned.

Romans you seem like a really nice guy. You claim to be honest Abe, and maybe you are.

Maybe ? Now my hot button has been found lol. Vic I don't know you and you clearly do not know me.

Vic I know your new here but let me tell you I've waited for years now, all the while taking some serious abuse, needing the truth to come out. I can wait one more year if that's what it takes for all to understand. As more of you get into this I will be explaining the hows to's. Promise.

But you're kind of like Hub where a lot of time when it comes to important issues and details you cloak your answers in riddles and ambiguity.

Fact is I want desperately to tell you all whats in your bikes but surely you must understand what happens to me if I do. No good can come from it. Hurting people is not my way.

And yes, I've read your posts, you're Testing and let me tell you, you're not wrong and your not 100% right either. In fact you're much closer than most are ready to understand. Vic you need to Remember my race starts on the computer screen Where all bull shit walks. There is No Magic !

If you ever think i'm bull shiting about anything I post, you go buy the software and I will show you the way to all truths, line by line. All will be Free. After this "Maybe" we can erase any thoughts of my claiming to be honest. Side affect your bike will be faster. Promise.

I certainly understand the flashes as I've read up a lot on here and certainly understand the drivability vs the drag race all out maps too. It certainly is impossible to have it all.

Not impossible, but for me to give you one flash on your bike with mods your elevation your fuel and tell you it's perfect ???? I can't do it. No one can.

Now place a PCV with Auto tune software on your bike along with the Flash I will take that bet. Better yet I will teach you to build it yourself so I'm not needed.

I do appreciate the offer Roman. I did get a number to Chris Jones who is Chiefland Fl. Its about an hour or so from me. I'll get with him soon and see about a dyno tune. If it doesn't work out I'll give you a pm about the auto tune. As I'd go that way if I can't get Chris to tune it for me. Thanks for the reply's guys. I do really appreciate it.

I did get a number to Chris Jones who is Chiefland Fl. Its about an hour or so from me.

Chris will get you sorted. you may leave with a turbo zx14 if you hang around his shop lol Boost bug gets a hold of you your done. Ask me how I know. See Pic

280hp(sold) 310hp & 490hp Pick your poison. Middle bike is for sale if you know anyone.

LMAO...nice...and yes I better start saving...I always wanted a turbo. Did the big bore NOS thing already..And yes if I know anyone who is interested in the middle bike I'll let you know

Fact is I want desperately to tell you all whats in your bikes but surely you must understand what happens to me if I do. No good can come from it. Hurting people is not my way.

I don't expect you to answer these...
This is the thing Romans, the people that you are talking about hurting. I just want you to be sure who it is you think you're helping by refraining. Who is "people"? Is it you? Is it you're family? Is it an ECU flasher? Is it some or all ECU flashers? Is it WRT? Is it new customers? Is it old customers who think, believe, and feel their flashes work way better?

Now, maybe you can answer this question...

What needs proven?

Now, maybe you can answer this question...What needs proven?

I can answer that. What needs proven is that a flashed ECU can make "Your Bike" "Faster than Stock" your opinion is all that matters. Internet BS is capable of brainwashing some of the smartest people out of their wallet.

And yes if I know anyone who is interested in the middle bike I'll let you know

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Thanks Romans.