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Thread: Roman's Flash.

Created on: 08/08/13 07:56 PM

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RE: Roman's Flash.
05/13/14 12:35 PM

WOW.
Just fcking WOW.
Got my ECU back with Roman's flash and installed.
THIS is how a 190HP motorcycle should ride.
The first time I laid into it I was rolling 1st gear about 5 grand,the whole bike just rose up underneath me as it climbed the chain and transferred to the front. Walked the first 3 gears and was dancing 4th. Jeebus.
I'm gonna' have to re-learn how to ride this thing.
Thanks Rick. Well Done.




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RE: Roman's Flash.
05/17/14 10:47 AM

Great News Today for any of you who were on the Fence about making the Woolich Purchase. The issue inside the binfile causing the The 3A code has been solved. Also some other really cool things coming down the pipe,,,,shhhhhhh still a secret lol Once Again thank you Justin for the Never Ending support. Cheers


Re: Flash your own Kawasaki ZX14 ECU and Data Log Too!

Ok, got some very good news. I spent a bunch more time on the Service Code 3a issue today and just sent a new test bin file for Rick to try. Just got off the phone to him and he confirmed that it was 100% successful and the fault code is no longer present.

This fix is now available in v1.9.4 of WRT under the "Advanced Settings" section" and is titled "Disable Service Code 3a". This fix should only be applied to ECU's that have the 3a Service Code issue.

Thanks Rick for testing the fix and confirming that it worked.

On a further positive note, while pouring through many 1000's of lines of code working through this issue i have managed to find some other cool features that we will look to add in the future for the ZX14R.

Woolich Racing will also be releasing a new product for the ZX14R in coming weeks. Stay tuned for more....


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RE: Roman's Flash.
05/17/14 10:53 AM

WOW. Just fcking WOW.
Got my ECU back with Roman's flash and installed.
THIS is how a 190HP motorcycle should ride.
The first time I laid into it I was rolling 1st gear about 5 grand,the whole bike just rose up underneath me as it climbed the chain and transferred to the front. Walked the first 3 gears and was dancing 4th. Jeebus.
I'm gonna' have to re-learn how to ride this thing.
Thanks Rick. Well Done

ShotGun Glad you like it. She is a different bike with all the corks out, of that there is no doubt. Cheers.

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RE: Roman's Flash.
06/15/14 12:56 PM

I rode to Romans with a stock 14r with slipons and am pleased to announce I rode out on a much more rideable bike with limited deceleration pop an outstanding midrange and from my seat of the pants run a much more pleasant bike at any speed. Put 200km on it today and handily spanked my buddy on his stretched gixxer 1000. Highly recommended cheap upgrade to an already outstanding bike.



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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/17/14 10:20 AM

alg8er

Had my '06 ECU flashed by Romans. AMAZING! Riding through town at 25mph the shifting is smoother, throttle is more predictable, and lag is gone. The bike will practically idle in 2nd gear. Highway speeds, shifting is way smoother, acceleration linear, runs cooler, and response is immediate. Passing is just a flick of the grip. 4th gear at 4grand, snap the throttle wot, and I almost threw my back out! I didn't expect that kind of instant acceleration. I was stuck in bumper to bumper, barely moving at 85° for 15 minutes, and the temp bar never hit the top. Seat of the pants, it pulls harder and smoother to the top. Romans Flash removed most of the negatives of the bike. Way more fun to ride. Quicker, cooler, smoother, easier to shift, and easier to ride. It's like a brand new bike! (or at least what it should have been from the factory)
I went with Romans because I wanted a flash for street riding, with smoother, crisper throttle response. I don't care about a little extra horsepower, I want smooth, predictable, instant power. I got that, and more. Rick went above and beyond getting this done, answered way more questions than he should have, and was way more concerned about getting it done faster than I needed. I just wanted it done right. I picked the right guy. Thanks Rick!

Thank You Al, Brought this over here as there are so many Flash threads very hard to keep under one Roof.

Alg8er, the gen one bike IMO needs lots of work to fix what my own personal dislikes were. After Dozens of attempts to make better I can go No Further. Believe I tried repeatedly.

Have said this before, "My words mean Nothing And The Bike Must Speak for Itself". As silly as this may Sound You Now Ride the Proof of what can be changed in the 14 and that Gen one bike needed it badly IMO. Run it against any other and you will see hard she now rips out of the hole. Glad to read you feel the same as I do on the changes. Cheers and have fun.

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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/17/14 10:24 AM

I rode to Romans with a stock 14r with slipons and am pleased to announce I rode out on a much more rideable bike with limited deceleration pop an outstanding midrange and from my seat of the pants run a much more pleasant bike at any speed. Put 200km on it today and handily spanked my buddy on his stretched gixxer 1000. Highly recommended cheap upgrade to an already outstanding bike.

Hey Steve, sorry I missed this. I heard you going through the gears all the way up tenth Line when you left my place lol

Must ask how did you make that sharp turn or get slowed down to make that turn before the stop sign. I counted four gears to Red Line,,,,, Flying ROFL.

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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/18/14 10:24 PM

I'm curious what the difference is between ECUs flashed by different tuners? The tuners can only play with just so many parameters and then in only a fairly narrow range. All of the tuners remove the speed limiter so that leaves timing, fuel cut, fly opening, and traction control. Most anything tuners can do in the ECU doesn't really increase hp it just changes how and when it's delivered, or am I wrong about that?

I had my ECU done by Ivan and know he does great work. I know Brocks does great work and I'm sure a lot of others do too.

Again, what is one of these guys doing that is better or worse then someone else? Not trying to start ANY arguments, just want to understand the differences they make.



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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/18/14 10:38 PM

If anyone can ride the stock 14R(or 14)to it's limits....I'd like to see itLOL!!!All this flash talk...who's best...s'all a matter of personal wants.What's a few HP on the street with THIS bike...it's got SO much more than HP going for it.Find out what THAT is....the stock ecu is FINE....the flashed ones make it...different...that's all.NOT better....different(IMO).So quit bickeringLOL!!!


Ride that 14R with the KTRC OFF and hammer away.You'll reach YOUR limit before the bike even approaches its.And i don't mean..."straight line performance";)


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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/19/14 12:08 AM

Most anything tuners can do in the ECU doesn't really increase hp it just changes how and when it's delivered, or am I wrong about that?

You are Very, Very Wrong,,,hmmmm,,,, but something tells me you knew that,,, ok, what gives here ? This one smells bad Rktsled.


If anyone can ride the stock 14R(or 14)to it's limits....I'd like to see itLOL!!!All this flash talk...who's best...s'all a matter of personal wants.What's a few HP on the street with THIS bike...it's got SO much more than HP going for it.Find out what THAT is....the stock ecu is FINE....the flashed ones make it...different...that's all.NOT better....different(IMO).So quit bickeringLOL!!!

Ride that 14R with the KTRC OFF and hammer away.You'll reach YOUR limit before the bike even approaches its.And i don't mean..."straight line performance";)

Grn, Is this for me ??? KTRC Turn off ? I never have it turned on ??? Ok, whatever, I'm all in,,, here kitty kitty lol Let me start, First and for most, There is not Limit, now we play. Batter Up.

Alright boys, you got the fish on, fill me in, what's up ???? I'm biting, Do tell please. This thread making no sense to me. Maybe that's the idea ?

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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/19/14 3:40 AM

I'm curious... The tuners can only play with just so many parameters and then in only a fairly narrow range.

I would agree. IF... You mean keep the injector on longer and you only want to ratchet it at 85% or it heats up more at 100% of ringing it's neck out. You mean the cam timing before you bang valves or pistons? You mean the truth tables calc a (+/-) on the cell and counters your cell input? You mean those parameters?

All of the tuners remove the speed limiter so that leaves timing, fuel cut, fly opening, and traction control.

I can fuel cut on the outside. I have flies open on the outside and no codes. I can mode traction off on the outside like normal. Now as far as ignition, we mess with the ign, we mess with gas. We mess with gas we mess with fuel. All can be done on the outside without touching the ECU.

Most anything tuners can do in the ECU doesn't really increase hp it just changes how and when it's delivered, or am I wrong about that?

DOA dead on. For example the scenario goes, I can't break into the 8's so I hack the bike and loose top end speed, but break into the 8's. Sound like a limp to you? Brock says, "I'll take 2 less hp up top for the torque down here," right?

I had my ECU done by Ivan and know he does great work. I know Brocks does great work and I'm sure a lot of others do too.

You're a newbie with a seasoned model so you do not know the whole story about smooth, an AFR and a hack. Never heard anyone not like Ivan's work, so I'm sure it's all you say it is like everyone else who has his mapping.

Again, what is one of these guys doing that is better or worse then someone else? Not trying to start ANY arguments, just want to understand the differences they make.

If all they are doing is toggle a limiter off, toggle a rpm higher, map every other map as one only map so there is no limp map per say is my guess? I can only think that ign may be the difference between the flashes made.

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Grn, I'm all in,,, here kitty kitty lol Let me start, First and for most, There is not Limit, now we play. Batter Up.

I think there is some sort of limit or the ign is going to call the knock/det.

Alright boys, you got the fish on, fill me in, what's up ???? I'm biting, Do tell please. This thread making no sense to me. Maybe that's the idea ?

I'm going to take a guess it's one fat tone buzz and the truth tables knocked off some top end but the bottom is like a hack with some bottom change is more like what I think is a flip-flop on a borderline hack kind of feel. How close am I if you are a hacker and know the difference between the PAIR kill/GPS kill/GPS kill on the other wire/subs out/other wires limped.

How close did I get the fish to the boat? Here kitty-kitty... Din-Din!



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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/19/14 8:05 AM

"Grn, Is this for me ??? "...God no Romes.I may have worded my opinion not so good.There are facts...then there are 'opinions'...And my comment about the KTRC..I think I actually had that backwardsLOL!!!NO KTRC(off) will MAKE you have to go easier...going harder and having an issue will wind ya up in the ditchLOL...so THAT comment about outriding the bike with KTRC off was really not thought out when I said it.I do think having KTRC on '1' is probably the best way to push and find the limits actually.Now I don't mean...drag racing.Straight line stuff.I also ride with it turned off...There are times however when something tells me I 'should' be riding with it on '1' at least...just to be on the safe side...Hell..I'm no racer anyway...what the heck do I know about 'pushing' and 'finding limits' LOL!!!!(seriously)


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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/19/14 8:47 AM

"I'm curious... The tuners can only play with just so many parameters and then in only a fairly narrow range."

I would agree. IF... You mean keep the injector on longer and you only want to ratchet it at 85% or it heats up more at 100% of ringing it's neck out. You mean the cam timing before you bang valves or pistons? You mean the truth tables calc a (+/-) on the cell and counters your cell input? You mean those parameters?

really increase hp

Hub just changing how we burn fuel has a effect on hp. The when in the where should not come into this,, should it ?

DOA dead on.

Hub U B messing with me. I know you don't believe that, fish on again.

but break into the 8's. Sound like a limp to you? Brock says, "I'll take 2 less hp up top for the torque down here," right?

This is out of context. Talking about the affect flies on top end here. Dyno Talk.

Real World; What is not told is this 14R made it's fastest runs with flies out. The cooling affect of the moving Ram air is Not in play on the Dyno. Take your AFR line on the dyno, now run 200mph and look at you AFR line, are they the same,,, Maybe I catch a fish lol

I'm going to take a guess it's one fat tone buzz and the truth tables knocked off some top end but the bottom is like a hack with some bottom change is more like what I think is a flip-flop on a borderline hack kind of feel. How close am I if you are a hacker and know the difference between the PAIR kill/GPS kill/GPS kill on the other wire/subs out/other wires limped

Hub this sort of preaches stay stock, these were our convos of old. Always ended with the word "Limp"

When in actual fact you and I both know that gen 1 bike has factory tuning issues that could never be fixed with pigs alone. I too spent hundreds of hours trying everything that was ever said. My hate for that tune became my driving force in all this. Only Now Have I found the fix. Only now does she run like she always should have. 5 long years and now we finally have it.

How close did I get the fish to the boat? Here kitty-kitty... Din-Din!

Not on boat yet, mostly because you never got on lol Watch video show me limp. Watch data logger closely. Rich down bottom for more torque the RPM rolls to a perfect 14 AFR,,,,, Sweeeeeet. That takes work. More power = Yep Real world. Now if your Not running that AFR line,,,well your just not.

Now this is what I'm talking about,,, I get wood everytime I watch it


Ahhhh Help,,, video not working. Can the big brain people make this play ?


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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/19/14 10:18 AM

"Grn, Is this for me ??? "...God no Romes.I may have worded my opinion not so good.There are facts...then there are 'opinions'

Grn I do my very best to say the most with the least amount of words. Must keep it simple so all can learn, including myself. No one has to agree or disagree but my hope is that they understand where I'm coming from.

When I listen to theory for to long I'm almost convinced my bike is getting slower and I should start walking lol,,, Then I give my head a shake. These flashes are a difference you can feel of that there can B no doubt.

I, we, you guys ride the proof. Those of you with flashes know the difference. Could you imagine how pissed you would be if someone said you must go back to stock ECU setting,,, now u would feel a truly gutted bike. War would issue lol

Anyway, Most of us just want our bikes to run the best they can. That being said pick your favorite Flasher and get it done lol

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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/19/14 10:37 AM

So i herd diffrent numbers that the AFR line should be. So when looking at the video is looks like the
AFR is 13.8 -14.2 with ram air in effect?
So when tuned on the dyno the afr should be tuned lower to 13.5 - 13.8 with out ram air effect???
And it will lean out to 13.8 14.2??? For best power?? So where and when does the AFR become a too lean condition?



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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/19/14 11:08 AM

Hub just changing how we burn fuel has a effect on hp... should it ?

Absolutely. I have those two different sounds (utb'd that for the ears) as they cut fuel richer. Why? Wire-wire-pants on fire. L for _______Flop in the blank you flip the wire fandango.

Hub U B messing with me. I know you don't believe that, fish on again.

I have yet to cut and paste the ECU so whatever that effect does, I have yet to find out. But say it's a buzz or tone change. I can sense something by hacking all those sensors and following the book's code page. So like I said, I can do a lot of outside flip/flops, but I'm sure the flash is the quicker setup, or you're looking at my rigearsmearoll out and test c0ode hits 1 at a time. And I mean, some of the changes you can make like the limiter and fly tricks.

Sound like a limp to you? Brock says...

He didn't say it: the numbers did. So is she full sub open on flash? Goes out into the fresh air and the signal changes to what? Mav lost mph but gained ET. Where are you seeing this hp gain with flies out/100% open?

This is out of context. Talking about the affect flies on top end here. Dyno Talk.

Agreed? What map says to run 100% open I cell everyone to 100%. That means Mav has 100% open flow of the sub, correct? Big point here is me being alone and putting 2&2 = 4 Subs saying something down that 1320 or on the dyno says the same thing.

Real World; What is not told is this 14R made it's fastest runs with flies out.

ET you mean, and we agree. Now, bring in the mph vs. BMF (before Mav flashed). I want to get this real world straight, because I am losing my reality on line LOL

The cooling affect of the moving Ram air is Not in play on the Dyno.

All I see is a lower et and a lower mph I watch the weathervane.

Take your AFR line on the dyno, now run 200mph and look at you AFR line, are they the same,,, Maybe I catch a fish lol

Ah, If I only knew the AFR number I plug in a flashy fish. You got me on that. I'm 14 and change all OE no PAIR. Unless I pc up I can run 13 and 12's, accel mode, etc. So I'm sure a hack and a pc is the same kind of grunt buzz or tone I get and say you combine that tone/buzz all in the grunt at the bottom, yes? You say yes, that's like a (tape over my mouth) pants on fire outside the cell move.

Hub this sort of preaches stay stock, these were our convos of old. Always ended with the word "Limp"

Funny how that computer bike works, hey? Fukcup my frequency. Here we go again. You remember my little run in with a benz coupe? The bike was wired up with 5 toggles and I'm trying to close down each one. The more I pinged to stock the stronger the bike.

When in actual fact you and I both know that gen 1 bike has factory tuning issues that could never be fixed with pigs alone.
Shit, I had zip problems getting the bike smoothed out. Slap myself for not thinking about the tune up long ago it ran so smooth. The R is not even close to a (smooth) tune. Looking back, I never plugged PAIR and found more (rich) smooth as the AFR pointed out. Look at how more I had left.

Not on yet, mostly because you never got on lol

True. All I have to go by is the thread and the OP's R&D. That Hutton speaking and when he speaks, that's a lot of tires, fairings, wheels, suspension, and when the flashion came into fashion and under his ass it shall meet, you'd be listening by now or catch on, yes? One or the other. Better listen, because he likes running with the ball. I'm about 3 seasons short of catching up and losing groundontchewknow.



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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/19/14 11:35 AM

And it will lean out to 13.8 14.2??? For best power?? So where and when does the AFR become a too lean condition?

Now there is the question of the day. Best Answer I can give is when your MPH starts dropping. On your bike, with your mod list, your fuel, your elevation with that days AR.

So i herd diffrent numbers that the AFR line should be

Curious what did you here ?

Look at the AFR line Brock showing on the Dyno, Lee running 8.4 with exactly what's shown in video.

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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/19/14 12:10 PM

So when looking at the video it looks like the
AFR is 13.8 -14.2 with ram air in effect?
No. WATT are we missing if throttle is at said position staging? That throttle demand @ WOT said throttle position. That shift hit set the AFR to 13 then back again to 14. Where is the ram on shift?

And it will lean out to 13.8 14.2??? For best power??

I keep repeating that lean is mean, but no one listens. You saw the numbers.

So where and when does the AFR become a too lean condition?

22 and higher. We lift on 18. We lift on the hack @ 16.5. Flash, I have no idea? Most likely at 16 on lift w/flash: I hold the option open as being wrong. Only my AFR will know for sure.



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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/19/14 1:05 PM

Hub how u get vid to play, Big Brain ?

"When in actual fact you and I both know that gen 1 bike has factory tuning issues that could never be fixed with pigs alone."
Shit, I had zip problems getting the bike smoothed out. Slap myself for not thinking about the tune up long ago it ran so smooth. The R is not even close to a (smooth) tune. Looking back, I never plugged PAIR and found more (rich) smooth as the AFR pointed out. Look at how more I had left.

ZIP ??? Now Hub I must call your Bluff on this one. You may have had it smooth but your talk of the day was as follows

ZERO Fuel Pigs, made bike slower

Zero Ignition Pigs of any kind, made bike slower

Flies were smoother in, yes smoother but slower.

The poor Girl was wired up like the Borg From star Trek, so with Nothing added bike is stock correct ? Yes I admit it was smooth but always felt slow and heavy. I know you feel the same way even if you don't admit it.

Second, the 14R with only the flies taken out is much smoother in every way. I have never heard any one ever describe the 14R as anything but. The Gen one we have 5 years of guys working to fix, you and I being two of them.

Fact is, that bike Gen one bike needs work, she has so much more to offer. Promise. Here is where the bike must speak to the before and after, my words mean Nothing.

I keep repeating that lean is mean, but no one listens. You saw the numbers.

Yes lean is mean. But this 14R is taking us back to school,,,,, She likes it. No one is reporting melted pistons or rings and the boys have been beating her down the track sense 2012. That AFR line is producing the #'s at the track, copy or be left behind.

BlkCasper AFR line is almost a exact match,,, his bike flies of that we can be sure.

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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/19/14 1:15 PM

Romes, of course the bike is stock slow. I am not denying any mod has a boost from stock, yes.

Now follow me as I backup Mav's mph vs. flash. The question to you is, was there a drop of mph when Mav flashed the bike, yes or no?



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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/19/14 2:27 PM

Now follow me as I backup Mav's mph vs. flash. The question to you is, was there a drop of mph when Mav flashed the bike, yes or no?

I can't answer yes or no as I'm not up to speed on the discussion of what Mav is doing. Last I heard he was debating going extended swing arm.

There was a thread where Mav and Lee were discussing Time slips. Lee showed Mav went slower but is actually becoming more skilled drag racer than he already is. Time slips told the story. Not my place to speak on what goes on there, makes for good reading though.

Hub not sure you were going with this, take me school.

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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/19/14 4:45 PM

http://www.factorypro.com/manuals/Kaw,KRT,zx6r,zx10r,05-07,Mk2,lateKRT/zx6r,6rr,zx10r,07,FI_Cal_Tool_Manual.pdf

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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/19/14 7:43 PM

Don't know how to insert quotes or would do so.

Not a newbie, been doing this for over 40 years but most all my experience is with carbureted engines, ECUs and PCVs are relatively new to me which is why I'm asking the questions. As a former racer I absolutely understand smooth, "smooth is fast, fast is smooth" is an absolute. I know the basics of operations as they pertain to control units but would like to know more about the control of the ECU and it relationship.

I am familiar with the work of a lot of tuners, I chose Ivan because I have seen his work and agree with his philosophies for tuning a street machine, same reason some chose Chevy and some chose Ford. I rode my bike before and after reflash and PCV, noticeable difference after, MUCH smoother and linear which is what I wanted. I have the utmost respect for every tuner who has taken the time to hack and change the ECU, not at all trying to say one is better or worse, just different which is a good thing.

I know fuel can be mapped in the ECU but many reflash and add PCV? I understand removing flies, have done it several times, but changing their opening in the ECU and sparking timing in ECU and seems more efficient.

Ok if reflashing the ECU can increase hp, where, how, and how much.

Please understand that as an engineer I would like to understand the logic and changes available. I DO NOT have the time or desire to do it myself, just would like to know how it works.



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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/20/14 7:48 AM

As a former racer I absolutely understand smooth, "smooth is fast, fast is smooth" is an absolute. I know the basics of operations as they pertain to control units but would like to know more about the control of the ECU and it relationship.

Rktsled the word smooth means different things to different people. For example, my feeling on the word means Gutted, slow, heavy. I will never forget the day I hopped off the dirt bike(YZ450)and drove off on a brand new ZX14.. Two of us bought same bike. Happy as pig rolling in shit we were. Warranty said go easy,,, but I couldn't. When I hit the throttle Nothing happened. Grrrrrrrrr. Yes she was smooth, but had Nothing of what I expected. Bike felt like a Gold Wing,,, I was crushed. Started questioning my purchase, got mad, in time got over it. Allot of time.

So now lets find out what wrong. Thinking was 1400 can't behave this way when my 450 will pull your arms off. For those of you have ridden those 450s you know exactly what I mean,, BEAST. Sneeze straight arms and your on your back looking at the stars.

We now know very simple to fix, but at the time remember I did not know that. In walks Forum, now we all were working together to fix our gentle Giant. Sweet, team. Loved it. We all told each other what works and allot of us tried everything to fix the bottom end of that gen one. Lets face it 90 % of our time on that bike is ridden in the hole. Gearing Down to pass a car ?? C'Mon now that's bull shit. I hated it,,,, In short the word smoooooth makes my skin crawl. This became my obsession, Hubs as well, but he not telling lol

Only now can we fix her. In my opinion of course. After the flash, the bike is electric instant power, the way it always should have been. We left here couple of weeks ago, I was on my 2010, fully Brocked 14R up my Ass, no way he was getting by. That first Gen will go, really Go, make no mistake in the underestimating of her power. My love for that bike is dear. She just needs some love is all. So I make it run the way I like, hope you guys that try feel the same.

Rant over. Let me tell you that took me 20 mins to type lol

Please understand that as an engineer I would like to understand the logic and changes available. I DO NOT have the time or desire to do it myself, just would like to know how it works.

Advise, start with Brocks Louisville slugger vids. All is shown and you can watch the progression of New 14R from the time before the power commanders for the 14R, up today's flash talk. Brock does a great job making it clear for all. No secrets, No Magic Pill, just the facts as he see's them. A true Credit to our sport. If a picture is a thousand words a video is a Million.

For some reason I feel better. Thanks for letting me get that out

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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/20/14 12:26 PM

[q]Don't know how to insert quotes or would do so.[\q]
That is a '\' backslash. The q is for quote. So a keyboard shortcut I use is to hit... Ctrl+U. When that pops up I change the letters to q and see that '/' forward slash? I had to reverse that slash or you would not see how the brackets are butted up against the quote. It's that simple a cut and paste right in the [middle][/of] and there you go.

Ok if reflashing the ECU can increase hp, where, how, and how much.

That url is a racing ECU so when we know our AFR is @ stoic we can add 30% on top of that or remove 30% from the Penultimate. Nice range, right?

[q]Please understand that as an engineer I would like to understand the logic and changes available. I DO NOT have the time or desire to do it myself, just would like to know how it works.[\q]
And I AM NOT an EE or ME, but being a mechanic you need a little of both to figure out the bike.

With that said:

Input Sensor = Puts out an analog signal and is fixed entering the black box is said demand.
ECU = Has to follow the IC (integrated chip) the manu designs and these follow a 'truth table.'
a. An electrical pulse has a value or a number and can be measured by the binary the box communicates in.
b. If a sensor drops out of the loop, the ECU reads this out of range of the tables that calc this preset range. See that correction the computer takes you set a number out of range in that mapping?
c. This then is a flip-flop or a term that says, 'I will not use at this time' or 'I will never use at all' or 'I will use this'>electrical pulse. So a flip stays open and all is well. But and out of range signal the tables calc'd, there is a flop and that says, "I will never use." Thus, a check engine light pops up. A backup number is now used and is fixed until the sensor is back on line or the map is bumped back in line with the other numbers around it like a truth table looks like. So basically, your map number does not compute against the cells next to it, above it, below it, etc., it's out of range, the computer takes care of that too is the calc of the table.
Output Jobber = These are the on/off signals of the loop the ECU sends out. On goes the spark and off in milliseconds as does the injector timing remain on and then off she goes. So when you see a 0110-0001 binary number with all those 1's and 0's, that's binary speak in that group of 2 of 8. 4-inputs in/4-outputs out. Think of a 555 timer and those legs on either side. Those are inside of 4 binary numbers and the out legs is how fast did you make it ping on/off?

So electrically, these binary numbers can call the numbers as a pulse in and a pulse out is watt demand are we talking? Spark is just on off, but where in the crank position? We change that to 12.5 BTDC. We go to the map and we keep feeding the engine watt? We find max hp or peak grunt. All we are doing is changing the binary numbers basically to tune the bike. And if we move out of that window, boom, backup/limp/check engine light/fail-safe, you are safe to ride but not as powerful.

We go by a fuel to chemical reaction or how fast can we make the heat expand? So like anything else, too much water will drown the plant or not enough and it wilts. If we run that PH to the pool as with the plant, we run the same AFR to that engine plant and see how much fuel it wants? We have a range of 30/30 of the +/- range in that racing kit.

There is no difference we are still in the same Penultimate atmosphere as in racing those cell numbers in the same 30%+/- range we go flashing as if this is a kitECU and follow those pages. Did you catch page 2006 I ran that way without knowing about kitECU was remove the air cleaner, remove the flies wink-wink!



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RE: Roman's Flash.
08/21/14 2:15 PM

STOCK ZX14

FLASHED ZX14

BOTH WITH SAME EXHAUST

SAME RIDER

NOW...WHICH ONE IS THE FASTEST AND WILL BE BETTER ON FUEL

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