Does Anything in This Video Bother You ?

Yesh... the words "Brick" and "DynoJunk".

I'm on the lake slade-ing so I'll have to review the footage on Tuesday for a closer look.

FYI: this triple cylinder 700cc 2-stroke is a fucking madman.

* Last updated by: hagrid on 2/14/2016 @ 9:05 PM *

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Wellllll... first, the guy's sitting on the gas tank when he does the modded dyno runs and that's a little weird but other than that....is it the torque line after the tune? Looks like the torque went way lower by the line on the graph but they're claiming it gained 5 ft lbs.

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Drags the right side panel under the bike... 1:22
Lack of new exhaust gaskets... 1:31
Shows 203 with dynoj only where flash is an agreed 202 only... 2:21
Rounded off .77 to .8... 3:50
For the math dept... Corrected that much is under 4 tenths and 6 mph?... 3:50

How close am I?

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It's totally bunk all of it , the ecm is sitting loose sideways behind his behind and clearly the Dyno
chart comparisons don't match up meaning it ain't their stuff doing the work

my 2 cent

I can only guess who flashed that ecm lol

By the way I'm a newb of sorts just grabbed a 2014 with 444 miles on it looking forward to totally getting her
all tricked out :D

* Last updated by: ZXSprock on 2/15/2016 @ 2:56 PM *

FYI: this triple cylinder 700cc 2-stroke is a fucking madman.

Ahhh, two stoke up on the pipe, nothing in the world quite like it. I've gone four stroke 300hp. I like it but I miss the smell of oil,,,, Love dat smell, makes me Happy. Can't explain it.

the torque line after the tune? Looks like the torque went way lower by the line on the graph but they're claiming it gained 5 ft lbs.

Keen Eye Rook, One can smell bull Shit A Mile OFF. This work is not his own.

Drags the right side panel under the bike... 1:22
Lack of new exhaust gaskets... 1:31
Shows 203 with dynoj only where flash is an agreed 202 only... 2:21
Rounded off .77 to .8... 3:50
For the math dept... Corrected that much is under 4 tenths and 6 mph?... 3:50
How close am I?

Bang On. No fooling the Hubster.

I understand not all mechanics care as deeply about the owners pride and joy, but how can you be a bike lover and drag a man's plastics under his bike from the opposite side. There was no explaining why he did this. Also, Not to protect his Rad fins, jam the color of the new pipes into the Rad on the install,,,, WTF,,,Ahhhhh makes me nuts. If you look close a 1.29 Minutes you can see the fins get folded. I'm OCD so I always remove the Rad to allow room for my big paws. Also allows me to get proper torque on All eight studs. No one has ever come back with a exhaust leak. Not that you have to do this but I just do. Perfect is,, well,,,, perfect. There is pride in any job well done.

It's totally bunk all of it , the ecm is sitting loose sideways behind his behind and clearly the Dyno
chart comparisons don't match up meaning it ain't their stuff doing the work

Yes Sir, Flashed sticker clearly showing. Or why have the seat off ?

Trying to understand, So,,, you have a Flashed ECU and you still need Ignition Module ??? Ok, what for, do tell? Not to mention Dyno Maps do not show conditions or AFR Maps. Any gains over ten catch my attention every time.

Lack of Pride and BS numbers,,,,

I'll join in......

They make it sound like their mods (pipe and PC) dropped
their quarter mile times from 10.07 to 9.35.

Yes, big improvement, but.....

I'm guessing the "stock" 10.07 compared to the modded "9.35"
that the stock was not lowered and strapped as the 9.35 was.

If the stock was lower and strapped I would think the time would of been
much better and not looked like as much of a gain from the pipe and PC.

Strapping and lowering, should what, get you like????? .5 ???

So stock would of been like 9.57, modded like 9.35

$2500+ to gain .22

I guess I could be wrong, what do I know.

Have to get my bike out to the strip, just as soon as I
can figure out how to keep this beast in shape off the line :)

I don't see a problem with flashing and then tuning with a PC5. I can't explain the ignition module unless they wanted to tune timing differently than the flash. They should have just said they were using an ECu flashed by "so and so" and fine tuning with dj products...but dj does not probably want to market itself as an ad-on for flashing. They still want to present themselves as the primary tuning equipment because they know most people will settle for a flash without fine tuning by dj products. This is just a hastily slapped together infomercial for Dyno Jet. Can you blame them? They gotta pay the bills too. Most people won't pay close enough attention to notice the discrepancies. They just hear "better" and assume it's better because the whole process was laid out before them regardless of what is actually being shown. Still shots get scrutinized a lot more than video. The weirdest part is the after tuning torque curve. I can't get a close enough look to see the numbers but that torque has to be way lower compared to stock. I'm sure they just needed a dyno graph shot and decided to throw that one in knowing everyone would be reading the caption instead of the graph. Maybe they deleted the good one and didn't have time do another run.

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CW: 9.48
149.3

Sonoma Shutout: "a slight improvement to a 9.62 @ 147."

Are we about as close to rider pulling out the preset give or take? This is more a field for field, not some dyno chart wrinkle a line and start a conspiracy.

So now that you brought it up I have this ign-pig as a compliment? And I daisy chain both to the autotune too? So Romes, we have autotune develop a map we include the ign curve? That's auto at a flash. Who has tried that?

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So Romes, we have autotune develop a map we include the ign curve? That's auto at a flash. Who has tried that?

that's my goal the summer. Ignition module + Auto tune + PC5 = just as good as a flash. I've been asking why this setup is any worse than a flash ever since 14s have been getting flashed. Only thing, you can't increase the rev limiter without flashing and that is important for the Gen2.

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I don't see a problem with flashing and then tuning with a PC5. I can't explain the ignition module unless they wanted to tune timing differently than the flash. They should have just said they were using an ECu flashed by "so and so" and fine tuning with dj products...but dj does not probably want to market itself as an ad-on for flashing. They still want to present themselves as the primary tuning equipment because they know most people will settle for a flash without fine tuning by dj products. This is just a hastily slapped together infomercial for Dyno Jet. Can you blame them?

Not really Blame them if you look at it that way. But they did admit they went to Brock for parts, so it is fair to assume it's a Don Guhl ECU(sticker). Which also leads one to believe the PCV came with Brocks Map. So,,,, what was done with the Dyno-Jet products ? This was the info I wanted. Yes I agree that Fine tuning on that bike is needed to make perfect for that bike.

So now that you brought it up I have this ign-pig as a compliment? And I daisy chain both to the autotune too? So Romes, we have autotune develop a map we include the ign curve? That's auto at a flash. Who has tried that?

I'm running Auto Flash right now,,,,, No pig compliment.

Hurting my head here hub. Ok,

Step 1: we add the Ignition Module.

Step2: We Flash the ECU.

Step3: Auto Tune makes a AFR # of 13.8 we pre set.

Step4: Software builds us a Map.

My question is What advantage is gained by piggybacking both Ignition advance into the flash only to pull timing back out with The Dyno-Jet Module ?? The bike does not like anymore than 2.5 advance on Good Fuel,,,, even then better to air on the side of caution as bad gas is only one station away ?

so we all Flash in 2 Degrees Advance. Add Dyno-Jet remove two degrees, Nooooooo Neeed to B Wasting Money. End Result is the same.

Does this make sense ?

* Last updated by: Romans on 2/17/2016 @ 4:56 PM *

that's my goal the summer. Ignition module + Auto tune + PC5 = just as good as a flash.

Great Combo, you will Love it. I ran that way for years on my Gen 1s. I have the maps you need, send me a PM after install. We will get you sorted.

I've been asking why this setup is any worse than a flash ever since 14s have been getting flashed. Only thing, you can't increase the rev limiter without flashing and that is important for the Gen2.

Hey you didn't ask me ? Or maybe I missed it.

I will answer this over under Romans Flash as it would seem Flash talk is about to take over. And this has to happen in order to explain with detail.

Romans Flash Link, Click

Does this make sense ?

Sort of if I play with those binary boxes and walk it out like this... where D=daisy is chained to. A=analog and Di=digital say the signals equal out I can daisy into the tower/lapper:

ECU(flashed or not)D-AT-D-pc5-D-Im-.
Di-A-Di-A-Di-A-Di-A-Click to save.

Where 4 are A's is one side of the chip.
Where 4 jobbers are tethered to the other side of the hardware as In and Out Pins = 8.
Where AC in the physics of its own handcuffed direction says 'for every action'; still pings both directions thru the daisy chain, etc. So there is said balance of those magnetic moves inside and boxes and their tables balance those computes and passes thru the tethers to the next table = Auto is balanced in the math inputs.
Where AC I would think ping, would still balance out no matter the sequence of the daisy chained to each binary box.
Where fuel (02) is sending input, now a platform for the ign curve and that input to auto. Makes perfect sense that way.
Where fuel and spark is all she wrote anyway....papa pun... all she wrote.

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Hub, I don't know what you just said but that was pretty cool how you changed the name of this thread.

I will answer this over under Romans Flash as it would seem Flash talk is about to take over. And this has to happen in order to explain with detail.

Looks like we are heading into some discussion on the virtues of tuning by flash with module refinements v tuning by module alone. I have always agreed with Hub, what good is a flash if you are going to self tune anyway?? There ae a few important aspects that cannot be addressed with modules and that seems to be the main value in flashing that I can see.

replied. Romans Flash Link, Click

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Hub, I don't know what you just said

LOL, I have 4 Djet components. Each one is compatible with the other in any of 2-3-4 combinations or a stand alone (the 02) and the pc5. I'm going to guess you only have an ignition map if using the Imod alone, the pc5 and using a fuel map alone are those being separated in this mapping of one or the other.

Add autotune that is already programmed in the pc5, you connect the 02 to the pc5 and it's fuel trim only being averaged out in the calc. Add the ignition module, this autotunes or follows the ign curve and the math in this balanced computing of all the components are 'averaging out' to said autotuing in the Dj programming.

So if I were to code my own box of course my next box would be compatible between programming. I can cut and paste a pc3 map onto a pc5 map grid and the numbers would compute the same. For example, I drag and drop all 12a numbers in the cells, auto is going to X to Y the fuel and spark. Your left drilldown pallet on the left side of the pc programming should show a file of the Imod.

Without the hooking up of the pigs, I load up a saved map on the tower. The left pallet exposes said files reading as; map#.pvm-map1-primary module-fuel. I should see a map ign module in the left pallet drilldown. I am taking a guess at this drilldown, because I'm one daisy short of that $400 unit; give or take tax and shipping the product. Someone who has the full chain of Dj boxes might correct me on this.

Because WOW, when I was hacking those sensors, watched the ignition curve movements, amazed at the speed in the DTT rather than a mechanical advance being more linear, this digital was on top of the smoothing transitions in the DTT. So I'm imaging the speed before 360 is up to set the next spark, the thousands of rpm I'm throwing at it and slowing down those flashes of the tone wheel moving so freaking fast in the DTT; 4 daisy'd boxes and with the speed of light happening inside; is not about to slow down some calc between ECU and injector or the ign.

This combo now opens a tuning range for exotic fueling or pressurizing past the Penultimate with a charger or blower attached. And when you hot the box with the usb to the laptop or tower, you light up all the boxes with mapping and see who saved what to download. Now that you have a made map using both spark and injector timing is whatever WOT you throw at it, it more has to be sustain in said rpm increments; to find that 'average' or the learn time. And that's the problem with this is running out of room on the road, or all day long on a dyno kind of autotune.

How close are we now understanding the daisy chaining?

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What I get from that is: Pick your ignition mapping and run with your fuel map in your PC5. Use auto tune to adjust the fueling. The timing will affect fueling needs. Auto tune will tell you what trims need to be made to achieve your target AFR with whatever timing you are using.

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What I get from that is: Pick your ignition mapping and run with your fuel map in your PC5. Use auto tune to adjust the fueling. The timing will affect fueling needs. Auto tune will tell you what trims need to be made to achieve your target AFR with whatever timing you are using.

Exactly

Check your flash thread for latest tuning questions.

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Pick your ignition mapping and run with your fuel map in your PC5.

Right.

Use auto tune to adjust the fueling.

Which will use the ign numbers you changed and now 'learn' (average out) both maps to make one.

The timing will affect fueling needs.

Timing affects fueling using a pc map for fueling alone. Not having the ign module won't let you change an ign map so you take that off of the crank sensor. Though the pc5 connects to the crank sensor, you have no option to change an ign map using the pc5 only, just the fuel tables. Auto uses the crank sensor behind the scenes because it's rpm related, not vacuum related.

Auto tune will tell you what trims need to be made to achieve your target AFR with whatever timing you are using.

Auto will change minute after minute as the day warms and cools. You have to accept this time frame or wait for a leaner map it gets warmer, run a morning richer map saved earlier.

That's my understanding using the ign mod or running without that feature. How close am I?

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Makes sense to me. I think I'm getting the basic concept. Yes, I've been told air temp makes a difference. I will have a cold map and a hot map + the tuner's map. Cold and hot maps for NOS too. I think he PC5 can hold up to 5 maps.

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Lots of things bother me, STUPID people, barking dogs, and crying babies on an airplane!!!

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pc5 has 2 maps with the toggle at the hole openings and those set screws at the back. You flipflop to the other or flip is one map, toggle to flop the other map.

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This one is for you, Romes. So while reaming some other website, a guy mentions about someone taking the best of whatever cell block(s), cuts and pastes off of selected maps and builds a map that way. Why didn't we think of that? Because it wasn't in the rule book... (inside joke).

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This one is for you, Romes. So while reaming some other website, a guy mentions about someone taking the best of whatever cell block(s), cuts and pastes off of selected maps and builds a map that way. Why didn't we think of that? Because it wasn't in the rule book... (inside joke).

Eeekkk, lots of dem inside jokes. I thought by now all would be public knowledge. The truth can never stay quiet for too long. For most part many stop caring and can do without the drama. I most certainly am one of them. Much prefer humor and good laugh.

Lots of things bother me, STUPID people, barking dogs, and crying babies on an airplane!!!

Lol,,,