Hey dudes. The only 'performance' mod I've done is slipons, so yeah even I know that doesn't count

I've read about various problems with some of the common performance upgrades ... ECU reflash causing stuttering, gearing changes causing some kind of running issues (stuttering also?) ... and was wondering which ones you think are no-brainer, no-problem upgrades ... ones that won't hurt the way the bike runs. My bike is smooth starting and running, at all speeds, and I'd like it to stay that way. But if I can make it faster / quicker without causing probs, I'd like to.

ECU? Power Commander? Gearing? ____?

Tks!

Spend your money on suspension. I promise you will go faster than ever before. I went with ohlins, but there are several options available.

Agreed. There is no magic pill which is going to make you're bike faster. 14R's throttle response from the factory is excellent, so that's pretty difficult for any flasher to improve.

The big things for the flash are disabling low gear safety modes, retain TRC (if you care) but also truly disabling TRC when in OFF, top speed limiter, rev limit (optional, only really makes a difference if you do a lot of high speed stuff). I'd like to try a bike with fuel cut eliminator, although I don't feel like off/on throttle transition is a major issue.

If you want to do some upgrades I highly recommend you do some before and after real world performance testing. Because even if you're bike makes more power on the dyno, this doesn't necessarily translate into any difference in acceleration.

Honestly...I've had mine flashed from several top notch tuners.There was a difference in smoothness with every one of em.I know most claim 'smooth as silk'...but that isn't always the case.I rode my friend's 2014 zx14R...stock ECU.Then I rode mine(flashed with aftermarket piping and exhaust).His was smoother.Actually,I liked it better than my 'modded' bike.If you're not concerned like Vic said about top speed runs and such...I'd leave the ECU alone and go with maybe suspension stuff...though that's also 'not really necessary' IMO with the 14's.This factory setup is EXTREMELY hard to keep once the ECU gets flashed...some might not notice a ride quality difference...but I did.Vibes that is.If you ride em back to back...you'll probably feel that vibe difference...it is there however(at least with mine it is).It's a very subtle difference.Certainly not enough to wish I hadn't done it...I have two ECU's,so I can change em at will.

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I imagine the 14r is pretty much uncontrollable without TC at WOT in first gear. The Gen1 is certainly on the edge. That's 0-80 mph right there so I don't think there's anything that can be done to make a big improvement down low without an extended swing arm. For me, it's more about what makes the bike feel faster because i'm not going to be any faster unless it's on a race track with lots of practice.

A lot of weight loss mods and lower gearing will make a big difference in how the bike feels. Light weight wheels do make a difference in cornering but to me, it feels more likely to fly away on me. For the cost of a good suspension, I don't think it justifies the small improvement in cornering...at least that's how I feel without having set mine up real well.

So, if you need faster/quicker, i believe you need NOS or turbo and that's only going to be for speed over a hundred. Unfortunately, boost is not hassle free.

The bike's already as fast as I can handle so the main value in my mods is how they they change the riding experience and also the novelty aspect.

And that's the thing. We're talking about very minor differences unless you're absolutely using 80+% of the bike's abilities consistently. Whether it's suspension, lightening, engine mods. You can do spend all the money you want to on modificaitons. Maybe you feel it'll impress others, or just because you want to, or it makes you feel better riding your bike around. Then there's the real performance impact, and a lot of the times people get this mixed up with how they feel about things.

IMO we talk about buying parts too often, and should be talking about improving our riding skills more often. With the same skill, I doubt with $6500 Ohlins suspension most riders will really go faster around a track than you did with stock suspension. Certainly this will be the case if the rider has no idea how to tune a suspension in the first place. I mean think about it, unless you've tweaked the settings to the nth degree, learned when you need more or less damping, and all that shit you really got no business putting $6500 of suspension bits on your bike.

But that's modern America. We've been taught to be consumers and for the most part that's what we are, that spending money solves problems when that's not always true.

Call traxxion dynamics,I believe there in GA. They will build your suspension for a very reasonable fee. Getting your suspension dialed in is alot of fun. Why alot of people are scared to make adjustments to there bikes suspension is beyond me.

Agreed. There is no magic pill which is going to make you're bike faster. 14R's throttle response from the factory is excellent, so that's pretty difficult for any flasher to improve.

Disagree, throttle response is by far the easiest part of the bike to improve upon. This is where the fun is.

The big things for the flash are disabling low gear safety modes, retain TRC (if you care) but also truly disabling TRC when in OFF, top speed limiter, rev limit (optional, only really makes a difference if you do a lot of high speed stuff). I'd like to try a bike with fuel cut eliminator, although I don't feel like off/on throttle transition is a major issue.

I'd like to try a bike with fuel cut eliminator

Granted, you only needed to ask,,,, and now you have. Send me your ECU. I could try and sell you on bull Shit or just let you tell the truth how you see it. You guys got this flash talk all wrong. Believe me.

So, if you need faster/quicker, i believe you need NOS or turbo and that's only going to be for speed over a hundred. Unfortunately, boost is not hassle free.

Rook, nothing is Hassle free. Lets talk NOS for two seconds I promise I won't muddy up the thread but,,,,. If you run your current Ride with NOS just once with the factory timing of 32.5 Advance with not so good Gas it's over. Also if you're a 14R guy and spray this new bike with all the current flashes out there it's Also over. Hassel, oh ya, hurts wallet. Be smart or pay.

"NOS or turbo and that's only going to be for speed over a hundred"

Rook this is also very untrue. I can leave any intersection at anytime at any speed and start drifting at will. It's a blast, around a 100 mph is the time to get out of it. All the real fun is in the bottom,,,,that pullll you need to try to understand. Pray you don't or it will consume you. Ask me how I know lol. I personally can't live without Boost. IMO too many talk about the wide open column in the TPS and and that's the area where 95% of you spend very little time.... with that being said focus on the everyDay ride area in your maps or flashes like I do. Watch the video below, listen to a happy man's voice,,,, you can feel the fun,,, Can't you ?

We've been taught to be consumers and for the most part that's what we are, that spending money solves problems when that's not always true.

Yes, I've been reading threads of dozens of people all describing the Exact same thing totally different. Each totally believing entirely they have something totally different and much better than the guy next to them. The want to believe in such BS is strong..

Hey dudes. The only 'performance' mod I've done is slipons, so yeah even I know that doesn't count
I've read about various problems with some of the common performance upgrades ... ECU reflash causing stuttering, gearing changes causing some kind of running issues (stuttering also?) ... and was wondering which ones you think are no-brainer, no-problem upgrades ... ones that won't hurt the way the bike runs. My bike is smooth starting and running, at all speeds, and I'd like it to stay that way. But if I can make it faster / quicker without causing probs, I'd like to.
ECU? Power Commander? Gearing? ____?
Tks!

Start off pulling your flies. It's a free Mod. Throttle response improves and disables the flies closing down in safety mode. Start here. If you like we will continue.

"NOS or turbo and that's only going to be for speed over a hundred"

Rook this is also very untrue. I can leave any intersection at anytime at any speed and start drifting at will.

haha that's what I meant, It might be fun but is it faster? First gear wheelies and spinning is a kick in the pants but not really faster. You can already wheelie and spin without any special equipment. But i hear ya on the fun factor. That's why I said the main reason I'm into mods is to change the riding experience. ...and just because I think all this stuff is cool and that helps me enjoy the bike too. ...but faster?? I don't think I'm going to be FASTER over 100 with any mods. Maybe more FUN though!

...oh and NOS?...I am pretty sure that's a no-no in first gear and probably second so that will def be an over 100mph phenomenon for me. I will definitely need your tutelage on the gas and timing needs though and I'm sure a lot of other things.

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F it....sell yer zx and get an H2.You want 'fun' 'under a hundred'....after that,it's becomes survival.Like in HANG THE F ON!!!IF you can stay in it...you're quite brave and doing well LOL.This is a 'hang the f on' bike anyway.Regardless of rpms off idle.This is STOCK btw...you get ANOTHER level with a flash and PCV tune.I have YET to get anything like...'oh I've done this before,no big deal' with my H2.EVERY ride is an eye opener and a challenge.No shit.I don't think ANYONE can actually outride this bike.It's full of surprises.They'll outride their skills before ever hitting the bike's limits.It's knarley.Very.

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Start off pulling your flies. It's a free Mod. Throttle response improves and disables the flies closing down in safety mode. Start here. If you like we will continue.

I agree with that. I heard conflicting info on pulling the flies on a newer zx14. I pulled them on my 2012 just for kicks and it was definitely worth it. It would easily power-wheelie through the midrange rpms in second gear and it would not do that before. I was also able to feather the clutch a bit in third to get 100+mph wheelies. It was very noticeable. If you're going to get flashed, just leave them in though.

So if I pull the flies and later decide to get a flash, must the flies go back in?

I agree with that. I heard conflicting info on pulling the flies on a newer zx14

Conflicting reports mostly come from those selling the flash. I have read them all. Think of it this way, after flies are removed the Air the motor wants it gets. Zero restrictions to soften throttle response. It's a no brainer to try and see if you like it. Have Fun with your bike.

So if I pull the flies and later decide to get a flash, must the flies go back in?

This is entirely up to you. The job of the secondary throttle plates is to restrict power. Make no mistake that is there only purpose. You will hear guys talk of how smooooth the bike is. Smooth in most cases to me means gutted. To completely understand how gutted, You need only look at the ECU maps. Kawis intention with the flies is clearly to numb the throttle response.

Then we flashers go ahead and Flash your ECU, opening the plates sooner and we take credit for giving you better throttle response. Fact is all we are doing is removing the corks to let that motor have the air it wants. Hundreds of threads all bragging this up. Remember we can not make the motor take more than it wants. All we can do is give the air a clean path. Make sense ?

You also need to understand there is a Downside to pulling the flies. Low Power mode Will No Longer function. Kawi uses the flies to restrict even more airflow in L Mode. No flies, no way to cut your power. Make sense ? So, if your like allot of us and never use low mode ????

If you guys want to see exactly what the difference is in High and Low mode using the flies I could post the maps If this will help you understand more clearly.

Cheers

Kawi uses the flies to restrict even more airflow in L Mode. No flies, no way to cut your power. Make sense ? So, if your like allot of us and never use low mode ????

Pull the flies!! I thought there was a problem with sensors or other electronics on the 14R but apparently not. so just do it. If it's like the 08-11 14s, you'll benefit a little more from tuning for flies out but might as well get the process started.

If nothing else...

* Last updated by: Rook on 1/18/2016 @ 3:13 PM *

Haha! Shaves big weight off the big gal, too!

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Romans I would love to see those maps please.

Romans I would love to see those maps please.

Don't want to muddy up this thread. Posted maps under Romans Flash just in case you want to see more.

Thanks Rick. Trying to talk my wife into letting a kitty come home.

Thanks Rick. Trying to talk my wife into letting a kitty come home.

OMG,,, what kind of Kitty ???? Do Tell.

Purple challenger with CF stripes