When purchasing a used bike how many miles is to many for a sport touring bike like the 14?

Depends on maintenance records and a crash. If she is high miler, you need to be careful of low compression. Your advantage if the compression is low, and the OBO being the deal breaker.

200psi and above is excellent for a high miler.
Under 175psi, she is getting tired.

145psi is played out. 228psi is brand new if you break it in with the 'ideal conditions.'
Crashed bikes you more walk away from those. Unless you can get a ripping deal.

Majority of the bike in my area have 12,xxx + miles on them

Well mine has 32K on it and runs really great. I believe these bikes are rock solid I really wouldn't be afraid of so called higher mileage ones as long as they have been cared for. I hate to get rid of it for the new one as it will most likely motor on for a long time.

Crashed bikes you more walk away from those.

In any case, ask for maintenance records. You know if a guy's been spooning on a new rear tire every 2500 miles, he's been riding it pretty hard. Abuse is much harder on a machine than well-maintained mileage.

"You know if a guy's been spooning on a new rear tire every 2500 miles, he's been riding it pretty hard". Truer words were never spoken

How about 210psi on a 51K miler?Is that good?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/25/2012 @ 3:24 AM *

Grn...

Could you show us your tire spoons, wheel weights you've saved off of all your bikes?

And could you please show us your compression tester, or the document that shows 210Pee Yes I said, @ 51,000 miles, you have 210 across the board or was that 210 in one cylinder, and you just threw out the average or highest number? What was your lowest number? That is a lot of air cleaners to replace 4.25 @ 51k miles. How many did you go thru with that mileage per manual oops, times to change one? Or did you bang the dang thing on the sidewalk or maybe like the forks, you never changed it at all? Grn, I can assume here, right? You won't make me look the fool, you bring all those receipts forward?

You know, Grn, just the other day, I had a mileage vs. 22,000 miles and that bike had 183 on the low and I forgot the high? Could you more E-Lap-Beer-Rate on both how you can change tires fast or, if the guy is sloppy like danno said, you can catch a lot of tire rotation with a lot of dings and maybe some bullshit around here, but I'm assuming here, Grn. Like one of those ABSeerings on the skillet, grill it... You get my drift, guy?

Key Rek Toe Bill Eye Tea? How one can hold the ankles and just keep piling up a post. So, credit is is credit due.... Wort say you?

I might just check the compression as I am one kf those who has to put a rear tire every 2500 or so. I do however let tbe engine idle a few minutes on cold stsrt and ride easy until fully warmed up. Change oil and filter at around 2500. I am getting curious but removing tbose plugs really sucks. Think of Smokin he stated on the other forum he sold his previous bikes with at least a thousand drag race runs and the head was milled.

Car or bike, I would seal (pun) the deal if that much used could use a compression test. It's a pain on one of these but if you throw that much into one of these (car too), there is the cold start of the blow start [leaking valve guides]. If the car/bike is warm, someone follows, you load and lift. See if your buddy sees a puff issue out the back? A constant oil pushing when running, idling?; ring issue.

So, the puff in the morning is, 'Hello, yeah, I'm coming over. Don't start the car or I mighthink you are hiding... Did you say the wife just came back from shop (((ping?))), Okay, I'll call tomor... What? You'll take less?' <<< WARNING!!!

Another warning; This thread is soiled with grn scumbility. Thanks 4-skin LIST INN PING! The penizzzzzzzz.

When I was still going to sell mine, I gave anyone that asked the phone number of the Service Department manager at my dealership, and authorized them to discuss maintenance of the bike with those interested people.

Somebody missed out, but then I'd be without a bike right now. So my gain.

Bottom line... There are too many old bikes you don't see running. When they come out of the woodwork with 50/60K, all they look like are sun worn running relics. And the metallurgy back then was nothing like now. We have enough old and new to know the cam and rocker issues of say the CB1100cc valve burning issues having that head/valve too soft too late. The older CB450 Hondas.

Then came valve adjust extensions. There is where I saw the change in metal structure. Now, the R extends their valve lash interval past the old 14. Someone with an owner's manual can point that out, whoever has an R. Around here, the LAP says, you want proof in photo or video, where pissant gets his info. And if you don't know GAS'duh idiot, yes, I have my boots on when I enter a thread I know about and others shit here knowing shit of what they know.

Say, do any of you know where I can get 210 psi on a used bike with questionable history? I think if privvy can cough up some service records? It says credible. I have video proof I peescent a pisser of a compression that here we go, beats that 210 bye 10.

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/25/2012 @ 11:07 AM *

I bought mine with 39,000 miles on it. It runs perfect and was very clean in every way. These big bore bikes last a long time since for the average street rider, the motor isn't working hard at all. The biggest problem I've seen with the big bore Kawasaki is that some people don't break it in hard enough. Glazed cylinder walls, excessive oil consumption. I want a motor that has seen high rpm action at least once in a while.

Mad

" wheel weights you've saved off of all your bikes?"...never needed to change em...

"And could you please show us your compression tester, or the document that shows 210Pee Yes I said, @ 51,000 miles",

You don't think that was MY bike do ya?Couldn't have been mine...mine was worn out.

Hub,why not do a leak down test

That's a coincidence... How many miles on your bike when you sold it? Like Dogo, I can't spell and correct my lettering. You on the other hand, have chunks of whatever goes your way. I sea sad saint compression

I think this boils down to a book of warbooks... My absolute to your faith in a balancing act... Your act and my act... I can only make comedy of dis... Poetic too. Slap the fuck out of you. Hypocrite! That book whacked your thinking, no? I know mine whacked mine on the lights on, no one is home abstract.

Your concept of faith is hope someone sees your smoke? YOu are so smoking up the place I had to say to myself, GAS'd, go and sit down, leave Grn alone. I let you slide, guy. I'm going to wear you out like no one's business. Now, you say it might be someone else IS that the new story? Now, someone comes along, we have for this forum of info...

1. 25,000 = 210 on the low
2. 22,000 = 183 on the low
3. 51,000 = Well, I know someone how knows someone one and I'm a member giving you all here valid info, that my buddy here, no his buddy that his budd'knows that knows that one number and let me call him... He has data written if he can recall a number or 3?

Saint Compression brought in more facts to back up, but 2 members can back theirs up. This is becoming a danno keeps falling into a forum looking for you, Grn. You know anything about that, Grn? The 'go and sit down' has now brought in a thread I know some info I could contribute as fact.

Seems Saint Compression brings in a fallacy he can't back up. Do we see a pattern here? This is about numbers, Grn. Real, living, breathing numbers. This is about mileage and those who check the very first move to work on bike or chase tail as you are the one that pins every last bit of shit on a thread but the facts and now you SMOKED THIS THREADEAD!

I will no longer enter this thread as now things are about to die on the vine. Grn, bring that compression forward... This is your thread now... Bring in the facts... I gotta go or I'm going to bust out laughing....

RUN! It's laughing GAS... NOt Smoke!

Oh look! Pizza!

Not my thread.But thanks anyway for assuming that that 51,000K bike was mine.You said it yourself...."200psi is excellent for a high miler".

darr, A leak will not show guide wear. You can have the X to Y of the spring to valve hit home on the close of the seat to face hitting their 45° angles. That shows it will seal at the valve.

A well tuned engine has a cranking pressure of 220 psi, according to a high performance 4 cylinder 1000 (+/-) kind of cc's. I don't know if that was running with hours broken in, or built fresh? Those kinds of questions were not asked. He just blurted out 220 psi as a good running [race car] engine. Lotus copies or something british.

And for those that go WOT is leak? Take 100psi from a compressor line. Seal the cylinder so you are at TDC compression. Send in 100 psi or say, convert it to 100% leak. If I open a valve, the gauge says 100%; leaks out that valve = Bent.

With leak, we can ear, literally, ear which valve is leaking, which cylinder head has the head gasket leak, who is leaking down the crankcase = Rings.

Yeah, leak can tell you all those parts, but compression can't tell you who is bent or who is burnt, who is leaking at specific points. Compression is more, I can hold this much when whoever is wearing out, I'm dead at 100 psi.

Kind of easy to remember. 100 at both kills. 10 calls the ball:

100% Leak = Dead
100% Compression = Dead

10% Leak = Rebuild
10% Compression = When there is a difference between the two cylinders.

But in the real world, book say the range is 145 ~ 228. Bike is still going to run with both those numbers. Kind of a choppy idle but none the less = No smoke.

Grn, GAS'd... Just delete your stuff... This is a tech forum... Not Grn's Fantacy forum... Even those sentences, reeks of nothingness about nothing valid. So, just find your friend that told you, get the 3 other numbers, add that data or go and sit down, you contributed nothing so far HASBEENothing.... In fact, fallacy so far. Clean it up GUY. Delete both posts of yours. Bring in all 4 compression reading from that guy you know LOL

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/25/2012 @ 4:22 PM *

Cmmpressjon numbers are ok to quote at sea level but have to be adjusted with altitude. Combine compression numbers all should be close and leak down numbers probably less than 3-4 percent warm and you have a good engine. You can have good cylinder leak numbers and a flat cam for example. That would show up as low compression. All this focus on cylinder condition means nothing if you have a bad bearing but really most of these bikes are just fine.

Kaw,

YOu are falling in a trap. I'm going to walk you out of it:

1. When a cylinder takes in a suck... Take in a suck.
2. Close your mouth. When you went to the mountain, what you sucked in was less air, yes.
3. No matter on what part of earth you stand... Let the air out... I was thinking of something else.

I think someone said your name might fit in here... Lots of yes and no so you are clear in thought, there is only one answer, but this guy who knows a guy says, he'll bring in another number. I said, tell your friend to breath in, what is that number?

Guess WOT? You are going to get the same compression reading. It's like saying, you have to lower or raise the oven temp because you are baking bread? Bread does not care where it lives. Does yeast have less air in the formula, if you have room temp (engine temp meaning) and then, is that the same compression or the same fuel to air ratio?

Well, didn't you need the one number to change the fuel to air ratio? What now is the compression reading if you have an engine at sea or at magic mountain like they have the secret number, yes? If you agree that number is going to be 14.7 psi... How much is that baro going to change we are still within fueling range to set that ratio off, yes?

Unless you have another number... Bring it.

Not sure what you mean but you seem to be quoting air fuel ratios which remain constant at all altitudes. Compression of course lowers with altitude your not going to ever get the same 210 as at sea level more like about say 165 in Denver. I don't know how you can talk me through that.

Well, lets do this then:

Winter: I sucked in a lot of molecules = More condensed air.
Summer: I sucked in less molecules = heat expands.

365 days and the seconds roll on... What is the number that stops when you stop breathing?

Not sure what you mean but you seem to be quoting air fuel ratios which remain constant at all altitudes.

I disagree. AFR is ever changing. Summer/winter fuels change. Hard starting in the mountain snow. Way rich, no air. Same number closing on the lungs.

Compression of course lowers with altitude your not going to ever get the same 210 as at sea level more like about say 165 in Denver. I don't know how you can talk me through that.

Simple: YOu said seal level and denver. I said; what is your number when you stop taking that breath in either altitude? Are they the same numbers, yes or no?

That means, you bring in another number, you must never catch your breath, you are either in vacuum or pressure, never zero. What made you bend over and grab your ankles when the answer is what now? Are you convinced yet?

I have to repeat over and over at the end the same cabbage... The ask was, you are in 3 variables or 2? Which is it? Are you with the more air guys like grn? Again, I am seeing ABS all over again.

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/25/2012 @ 9:48 PM *

Help me out here, Grn... You said he'd fit in... And Dogo has the goods if I am wrong.

... numbers all should be close and leak down numbers
probably less than 3-4 percent warm and you have a good engine. You can have
good cylinder leak numbers and a flat cam for example. That would show up as low
compression. 1-2 is leak.

All this focus on cylinder condition means nothing if you have a
bad bearing but really most of these bikes are just fine.

That rod should have been caught it's so loud it does not reach the top for max compression. So far, the smoke in the room says 3-4 and ARF is constant... Can you explain AFR being a constant if you are going to convince me, I'm not about choking on the smoke you brought in.

Correct it for me. All because there is this penultimate number that beings the trail... Any other path you smoke the forest you'll never see the other side. It's why I can smoke ABS/GAS/d/Saint Compression/Father Forks.

And if you stand in front of eddie the ape, he can't climb out of even the book he sells over the counter. This stuff you should know cold or else it getso hothe trot, it begins to smolder, smokes the room, everyone is upset about an 02 conversation.

If you stand in front of that video, who's fault is hatrick? We are in a conversation. I argue with Grn. Big difference. I have to pull the truth out of the idiot. I have to clean up after the dolthe father of fork change. Get me in illusion, Kruz... For WATT?

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/25/2012 @ 11:39 PM *