what a fukking stupid thread..

1st what has the bmw 1000rr won ..anything

We cannot do anything but guess. No factual word on big bang, or anything else. Kawasaki are being supersecret because a) they have egg on their face for years of being laughed at in all forms of racing, and b) they don't want to have us expecting something they might not be able to afford to deliver.

1st what has the bmw 1000rr won ..anything

Oh...just every literbike shootout in 2010 along with 2010 Motorcycle of the Year Award. Not to mention the fact that it is the quickest production motorcycle ever released to the public with 1/4 mile ETs in the 9.50 range. Other than that and the fact that it captured a huge market share in the first 6 months of release it is a total flop....kinda like you big fella!

* Last updated by: Kruz on 9/16/2010 @ 12:54 PM *

We cannot do anything but guess. No factual word on big bang, or anything else. Kawasaki are being supersecret because a) they have egg on their face for years of being laughed at in all forms of racing, and b) they don't want to have us expecting something they might not be able to afford to deliver.

Yea, the eerie silence coming out of KHI tells me it may be a warmed over Gen III rather than a clean sheet makeover. You saw how BMW built up the hype to a fever pitch before release...... they absolutely knew what they had.

* Last updated by: Kruz on 9/16/2010 @ 2:16 PM *

October-2010 Sport Rider Bike of the year just went to the Aprilia RSV4 Factory, also out of the contenders, lap times at Buttonwillow were:
Aprilia RSV4- 1:09.194
MV Agusta F4- 1:09.428
Ducati 1198S- 1:09.718
BMW S 1000RR- 1:09.765
Kawasaki ZX6R-1:09.943
In their "Late Braking" section 2011 ZX10R unveiled, Their press release mole claims no "Big Bang" firing order. Instead the new Kawasaki will feature a much more sophisticated traction control system than seen on previous sportbikes, along with ABS standard as well.

We cannot do anything but guess. No factual word on big bang, or anything else. Kawasaki are being supersecret because a) they have egg on their face for years of being laughed at in all forms of racing, and b) they don't want to have us expecting something they might not be able to afford to deliver

There is no big bang motor the only thing we know is it will be a inline4.Kawaski is being super secret to try to build hype. As much as I like the BMW I really don't think it will be that hard to beat . Just look att the track aids the bike runs yet its only slightly quicker than the zx10 and still laps slower than the almost 3 year old CBR1K. The mags like the bike becuse of its topend power and all the gadgets. Its not the best street bike,its not the fastest around most tracks and its very expensive.As anyone seen a review of the standard s1000rr agnist the current Jap bikes. Every single test I have seen as been with the fully loaded bike. Every test I read the rider writes about being able to lean the bike over and pin the throttle coming out of a turn and letting the eletronics figure the rest out. Yet its still not the quickest bike around the track. The bottomline is the Japs have tons more expirance and can do more with than BMW or anybody else for that matter. I could careless if the new zx10 makes 210 hp at the wheel if its not a total package improvment they will have missed the mark yet again. Not that any of this matters in my case my current bike is more than enough for me on the street and to much for me on the track

* Last updated by: willidx4 on 9/16/2010 @ 4:42 PM *

Oh...just every literbike shootout in 2010 along with 2010 Motorcycle of the Year Award. Not to mention the fact that it is the quickest production motorcycle ever released to the public with 1/4 mile ETs in the 9.50 range. Other than that and the fact that it captured a huge market share in the first 6 months of release it is a total flop...

hate to break your heart . but a goldwing and harley have won those claims before .. NOW lets see some real proof like it winning something ..like a race

The article referenced did suggest there would be a V-four (NOT incline four) and that it would have an exotic firing order. It also suggested the layout would be rotated 90 degrees to make the horizontal bank trail the vertical bank.

But all of that is speculation.

Aprilia RSV4- 1:09.194
MV Agusta F4- 1:09.428
Ducati 1198S- 1:09.718
BMW S 1000RR- 1:09.765
Kawasaki ZX6R-1:09.943

That is one bad azzzz ZX-6R to run with the liters like that, imagine if they had run a 10R?

Bottom line is who runs a stock bike anyway? My 10r was quick stock but now light years quicker after mods. I haven't even begun to play with suspension tuning and brake upgrades yet. Most of these bikes are remarkably similar once you get them modified. I think the big story may be traction control, there is no doubt it makes MotGp bikes more controllable and quicker around a race course.

Here's my ZX-10R dream bike staright from KHI. 175 rear wheel hp out of the crate, active traction control and abs standard. Slim in the waist and easy to whip around like my ZX-6R and 438 lbs with a full tank of gas.

Can they build it?

* Last updated by: Kruz on 9/17/2010 @ 8:52 AM *

Yea the BMW is quick but I think BMW is running on hype right now and it's hype that the mags have bought into. How many times have we seen it in years past when a new bike hits the ground with the 6 previous months building up the hype with marketing.

Ok this is a supersport liter bike built to compete against the other liters in road racing, that was the main goal. Now what has it done in that arena? come on now how many podiums has it taken? exactly thats why I call it a bunch of hype. It has failed miserably at what it was originally slated to do, unseat the big four at their own game and it hasn't done it. Not mention the total number of losses from crashes, I thought all the gadgetry was supposed to make it better at the game.

Now what has it done in that arena? come on now how many podiums has it taken? exactly thats why I call it a bunch of hype.

exactly .its sucks at drag racing too . i ain't seen no podiums in that field either ..but it sure is a rag queen

It is the fastest street bike and makes the most hp that’s really its only claim to fame. It beat the big four at their own game which was hp and speed (think Busa and ZX14)HP numbers confirmed or unconfirmed moves bikes of the showroom floor. If the BMW only made 150 hp and but put down the fastest track times 90% of them would be sitting on the showroom floor. If the new Kaw only equals the old bike in peak HP but is lighter by 30lbs, with better suspension no one will buy it people would call it failure .Just look the 08 vs 09 R1 debate The new bike puts down better lap times than the old bike but the rags and squids deemed it a failure because it made a few less peak HP.I have no idea why anyone would think a bike needs to win in professional motorsports in order to be a good bike. When is the last time the zx10 won anything significant at any level of racing what about the zx6r which is now and has been in the pass the best 600 ever made. I guess if you really think your street bike is only lights and numbers away from being a real race bike that might make sense to you buts thats not reality.

Not mention the total number of losses from crashes, I thought all the gadgetry was supposed to make it better at the game.

It beat the big four at their own game which was hp and speed (think Busa and ZX14)HP numbers confirmed or unconfirmed moves bikes of the showroom floor

And like I've said many times before those numbers might sell units but in the real world don't mean alot. I have not seen one s1000 on the street around here or in the mountains. If a person can ride a bike well and has good control it doesn't matter what they are on when the road gets twisty

Unfortunately not even traction control will save you when you lose the front end nor did BMW claim it was crash proof.

Which is why rider skill is paramount. IMO all these electronics only cripple a rider in the long run, if a rider never learns the limits of throttle application or the braking threshhold then when these things fail and they will at the most critical moment then that rider is in major trouble.

I still go out and ride in the rain just to sharpen my throttle and braking abilities. Riding is like anything else you can never know enough and when skills aren't practiced regularly they get rusty. Thraction control and wheelie control don't allow you to test the real envelope.

If the new Kaw only equals the old bike in peak HP but is lighter by 30lbs, with better suspension no one will buy it

I would..... but then again I bleed green.

I have no idea why anyone would think a bike needs to win in professional motorsports in order to be a good bike.

Because these are race bikes, thats the whole reason behind their design. You can buy one straight off the showroom floor and with just a few mods be fairly competetive in pro racing. You can run up front in wera if the rider has the skill to match the bike. We aren't talking moto gp here those aren't the production models but in AMA and the lower classes they are.

This has applied to bikes and cars for years what wins on sunday sells on monday. Then you'll have the true blue model specific following regardless of what happens.

I'm not trying to argue with you Will but this whole beemer hype bugs the crap out of me. Yes it's a fast bike and yes it has big HP numbers but IMO it hasn't lived up to all that hype.

I would..... but then again I bleed green.

True just like my purchase of the 14. It had nothing to do with the HP wars or top speed. I needed a good sport bike for the street that was comfortable for distance, good for 2 up riding and allowed me the ability to hang with the others when riding.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/64/6851/Motorcycle-Article/2010-BMW-S1000RR-Comparison-Track.aspx

Yea, I 'm sick of hearing about it too but it keeps winning everything in sight. What's even more amazing to me is, even though it's a 3 year old design, the CBR1000RR still is right there at the very top. I would buy one in a heartbeat if they didn't burn oil like an old furnace.

even though it's a 3 year old design, the CBR1000RR still is right there at the very top

And if you read the testers notes they always say even though it's down on HP from the others they like it because of it's rideablity.

Which is why rider skill is paramount. IMO all these electronics only cripple a rider in the long run, if a rider never learns the limits of throttle application or the braking threshhold then when these things fail and they will at the most critical moment then that rider is in major trouble.

I still go out and ride in the rain just to sharpen my throttle and braking abilities. Riding is like anything else you can never know enough and when skills aren't practiced regularly they get rusty. Thraction control and wheelie control don't allow you to test the real envelope.

I agree but that doesn’t stop those that know theses things from making a mistake. I think maybe you see TC as a cheater device that always bad riders to ride better or even faster than their skills allow but that’s not the case. I see TC on a street bike as a safety net for mistakes that good riders can and do make and it might stop a bad rider from killing himself. KHI didn't put TC on the Connie because they thought the bike would turn faster lap times. Wheelie control on a street bike not sure I'm sold on that one either. I understand the point of it on race bikes but not so much on street bikes. I guess if you look at it as a safety thing it makes sense. ABS is a good thing on a street bike no matter how you look.

To the average buyer hp and acceleration is what sells, and the BMW has that in spades. Thats why the 10's always sell well, same with the gsxr's, they're fast as hell, and thats what folks want on the street. The new 10 needs to come out with a buttload of hp or it won't unseat the beemer. It also wouldn't hurt if it comes out substantially cheaper than the beemer, but the japanese really jacked the prices of their bikes up recently, so I'm wondering if the new 10 might not be within a grand or so of the BMW

To the average buyer hp and acceleration is what sells, and the BMW has that in spades.

The new 10 needs to come out with a buttload of hp or it won't unseat the beemer.

2nd.

i think you all seem to be forgetting something here. the majority of liter bike buyers is early twenty something, and cant afford the price tag of the beemer so i dont think the bmw is going to corner the market on liter bikes. and besides most of these kids are following the superbike series and have favorite riders and want the bikes their fav riders have or that are performing well. besides bmw did not delvelop this bike for bragging rights about more HP they wanted to be cotenders in the superbike series which at this point and time they have failed imo, fact is you have to win races in order for the sales to spill over into the private sector.