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Created on: 03/02/10 08:49 AM

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I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/02/10 8:49 AM

read this thread....


http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/arizona-local-classifieds/404376-custom-efi-maps-power-commanders-50-00-a.html

This is my favorite part, I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair:

Do you have a map that will work for an 04 GSXR750 with a Ti-Force exhaust, short stacks, BMC filter, Webb Cams, and a head that's been modified by Vance and Hines? The bottom end is stock btw.__________________
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Hi Philbie, I'm sure I can Build You A Custom Map for that bike Just submit a request on my site and send a payment to paypal and I'll get it done, hope to here from you soon, Thanks, Jeffo


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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 9:49 AM

On a hunch, I called Jeffo this morning and told him I had a Nautilus Class nuclear submarine parked in my driveway and needed a custom map. He said no problem, send $50 to Paypal and he get right on it!

BTW... he said he needed to know what altitude I would be operating the sub at!


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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 11:03 AM

Oh no! Are those two at it again?



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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 11:10 AM

You Pee Yes, they just rang my bell, dropped off my new Pea Sea ocean going fuel splitter. I'm going nuke wee ear. Comes with a limited edition key fob to wind up the ride.



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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 11:28 AM

Hub, Jeffo can tune that, he will need to know the temperature of your bath water and altitude...flames and fluffed porcelain will cost ya extra! You got PayPal?

BTW Hub, you're a lot smarter than I am, maybe you can explain this statement:

I use temperature to determine the proper temperature of a correctly running engine....

Jeffo


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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 11:41 AM

Hmmmm...no one had posted on that thread since October 2008, now all of a sudden this morning there's another "magic testimonial" on there.....hmmmmmmm kinda makes you wonder!


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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 11:57 AM

Hub, Jeffo can tune that, he will need to know the temperature of your bath water and altitude...flames and fluffed porcelain will cost ya extra! You got PayPal? 90F w/bubbles and 3" submerged. I forgot to pull my key fob out, the thing fouled out. It's just a key now.

maybe you can explain this statement:

"I use temperature to determine the proper temperature of a correctly running engine...." I use Tw = -30°C ! ~ + 120°C for proper temp readings. I think 1bad calls that 'foo-foo tuning' or calling us doo-doo birds with the phone tuning. But, once I have you on the phone, I open another browser with the weather website ready to punch in the temp where you live and we first adjust your throttle points, cause it's 76°F in your neck of the woods and here comes your map correction. You got paypal, right?



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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 12:43 PM

Seems like there's an awful lot of bashing going on for a guy that has made a lot of people much happier with their new "setup". Based on what I've read from previous posts on this forum regarding the entire jeffo situation and the constant amount of bickering without calling the guy and trying to make it right, I have to question my involvement with this site. I can't believe you two are carrying on like a couple of old women gossipers about a guy that so many others have claimed is a stand-up guy and who seems passionate about the work he does. Have either of you called him vs slandering him on a forum? If not, will you please do so instead of posting all this slander? Seriously, I'm gettin' fuckin' tired of it and would rather not leave this forum because of a couple of whiny babies.



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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 12:55 PM

No one whining here, just exercising our right to free speech Loaded, besides we're just having fun now. BTW, I called Jeffo plenty of times and finally gave up, so did Monster. If I thought the guy was capable of tuning by phone I'd call him back.... but I don't, it's all nonsense as far as I'm concerned. Next time your sick, try calling your doctor and have him diagnose you over the phone, see how that works out for ya. You got a map that worked? Lucky you, great.... I'm real happy for you but what about those that didn't? Well they don't count cause you got yours right? Isn't that the way it works?

BG if you want, you can pull this thread and anything else to do with FAiC, cause I'm getting tired of it too. If I never hear the name again in my life time it won't hurt my feelings.


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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 1:31 PM

I got burned like this when I was 8 years old I sent this company 6 bucks for x-ray classes that turned out to be totally bunk. I couldn't see through shit with those things. I told my older brother and his exact works were "no kidding dickhead everyone who knows anything would have told that was a rip off" Not sure if the story as any relevance in this situation but it just might.


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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 1:37 PM

"Do you have a map that will work for an 04 GSXR750 with a Ti-Force exhaust, short stacks, BMC filter, Webb Cams, and a head that's been modified by Vance and Hines? The bottom end is stock btw.__________________
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Haha jeffo said he can tune that over the phone, only a matter of time before he puts the wrong map in the wrong bike and then BOOM goes the dynamite


Thats funny loadedmind getting all pissed, I am getting my 50 dollars worth of laughs out of jeffo, its the least he could do, he cost me alot more than that, I got every right to bash his shitty service, You happy now loaded, just wait till your bike F$#ks up, see if old jeffo will fix what he broke or refund the money he cost you.


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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 1:51 PM

Assumptions sure are a funny thing... I never ordered a map from him. So - Kruz & Monster: what is this guy telling you when you request your money back? Can you please share this information? I don't believe I saw that in your FAIC tuning thread.



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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 1:58 PM

There is more than one thread, there is also a Bad FAIC review thread that I created when I had my problems with him. I do believe Jeffo him self posted no refunds and also called his paying customer a FOOL, I am not going back looking for a link to it but I am sure you can search for it if you want to read it.



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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 1:59 PM

I got burned like this when I was 8 years old I sent this company 6 bucks for x-ray classes that turned out to be totally bunk. I couldn't see through shit with those things. I told my older brother and his exact works were "no kidding dickhead everyone who knows anything would have told that was a rip off" Not sure if the story as any relevance in this situation but it just might.

That's some pretty good stuff willi, I have to admit that made me laugh!



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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 2:20 PM

He went back and deleted the part where he called his customers fools.....not good for PR. He said there is no refund since, in his explanation, once you have the map he can't prove you used it and just wanted your money back. Fair enough but my issue goes a lot deeper than that. I called this guy over the phone and talked to him about 30 minutes before I ever placed my order. He led me to believe that he had developed a map on the dyno for a bike like mine (2007 CBR 1000RR) setup in the exact same way i.e. same mods, same exhaust system (Yosh RS-5 Full system). I should have known something was funny when I couldn't pin him down on any specifics, he dodged a lot of my questions but I kept thinking he seemed like a nice guy. My BS meter is pretty sensitive but I have to admit he pulled my trousers down around my ankles and gave me a good spankin on this one. I got duped, I admit it. When I got the map I opened it and could tell it was manufactured, i.e there was fuel added or removed in linear fashion from the zero map i.e. +1,+2,+3,+4,+5 right down the columns. Anyone who believes a real engine behaves in this manner has apparently no concept of the complexity of air flow, resonance etc. in an intake tract. I remember I started laughing and thought "well you got took but it was only $50", I mean I could have spent the money on a pair of X-Ray glasses or something. I told him I had done the flapper door mod on my CBR and he was like "huh..what's that?" The first map was off, lost power especailly down low, ran hot and backfired a lot under light throttle. I took it back off and put the Dyno Jet map back in, much better. I wasn't going to call him back cause I figured this whole thing was a waste of time but he called me and wanted to know why I wasn't happy with the map. I gave him an earful and he said he'd make a new map and send it to me. He did but he added so much fuel to the 0% throttle column that I was afraid to run it, especially after Monsters map crapped out his plugs and nearly torched his bike. I finally did and I could smell raw fuel at idle, I'm surprised it didn't puddle on me. It still backfired and I decided I had enough. As far as I'm concerned what this guy does borders on fraudulent. I tell you the funniest part of this whole story, I go on line and waste fifteen minutes filling out his BS questionaire with details on exact ambient temperature, altitude above sea level etc. like the guy is really going to use this stuff. Then the guy tells me, "oh I sent you a map developed for Phoenix AZ, it's at a different altitude than Dallas" No kidding Sherlock, where'd you get your PHD, off a corn flake box? He may make some maps on a dyno or borrow them from somewhere else, DynoJet maybe but it's only a matter of time before he blows the crap out of someone's expensive motor.


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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 2:42 PM

this quote from the link I listed above:


Jeffo wrote:

Our maps start out on the dyno, but are then refined by hours of experienced tuning on the road and on the track.

That is a bald face lie, if that were true I would not have had to keep calling the guy to get my bike to run right. Monster... do you believe he spent "hours" refining your map??? If so he needs to try another line of work..shoe salesmen maybe or Walmart greeter.



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03/03/10 2:50 PM

Kruz, when you ran it the second time - when finished that is - did you call him and explain what just happened to you? What was his response? If it were me in your shoes, I would have told him, here, take a listen, and put the phone to the motorcycle exhaust and let him hear it. Then, maybe something like, "You see, I had trust enough in your word and expertise that I sent you the money you asked for in exchange for a map that you promised would deliver. Clearly, this is not one of those cases where you've delivered a quality product. I'm simply requesting my money back. If you choose not to do this, I will report you to all agencies whose job it is to track companies and services and who can have great impact on your future sales. You should think this over. Then, I would give him a couple of weeks to respond and, if nothing, I would find out the town he lives in, call the Chamber of Commerce, contact the local BBB and any other place you could find that would be able to report your experience with this individual. I'm not trying to tell you what to do. This is merely a suggestion and what has worked for me in the story that follows.

While I was in college, I used to do I.T. consulting for various small companies. By the time I was asked to help this particular individual, I had a perfect reputation by way of word of mouth and this guy knew that. I told him up front my fee was $100/hr ($25 below the norm for our area) but I would work with him on the final price since he had a lot that needed to be done. He got to the point where he trusted me enough that he wanted me to help outfit his home as well so I helped him order another computer, hooked up his DSL, networking, printer, etc. and he was quite pleased. I spent a total of 14 hours with this customer and had proof of time logged. He signed it each day I was done so he knew exactly what was happening and no sticker shock. I gave him the invoice which totaled $1000 - almost HALF off of my original price. Since I had mailed this invoice to him after having completed the job, he called me the day he received the bill and was very rude and obnoxious. I explained to him what my normal rate was and, very calmly and politely, stated how much of a discount I gave him since he knew the guy that told him how good I was. Long story real short - I contacted the Better Business Bureau within a month of his non-payment. He called me after about 5 months and asked if we could settle and would I please "call the dogs off" as his business was hurting. Even after all the frustration he caused me, I told him I'd settle for half my original invoice ($500) and agreed to contact the BBB, but warned him this sort of thing had a habit of coming back around to bite him and it would be in his best interest not to treat others the way he treated me because they might not be so nice.

I realize this was probably a boring story, but it just proves that the BBB actually works in some cases. I'd recommend doing the same for this individual if what you claim is true.

This man needs to do what is right by Kruz and Monster and refund the money, but I still believe that slandering a company in this way is inappropriate. I realize the frustration and hassle this has caused for those that have been duped, but there's a way to handle things and a way not to. I am a proponent of free speech, but, in my opinion, for free speech to be effective, words should be chosen carefully and karma is alive and well.


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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 2:58 PM

Keyword...."OUR".....next up...."hours of EXPERIENCED tuning on the road and on the track"...He's talkin about EXPERIENCE,...NOT doing this"road and track" with EACH SINGLE MAP!!!From what I see with Jeff,he's experienced enough to understand what X adjustment will produce Y result.And he's quite good at doing it.All 14's have the same motor.Why would it be so difficult to create a basic map and then adjust for some of the other variables through experience?If you knew what you were doing-it wouldn't be that difficult.(not saying it's NOT difficult-just that it's not as difficult if you knew how to do it).


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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 3:07 PM

Nice point Loaded, but is a little humor that big of a deal? Sorry but every time I see Kruz post a monkey working a computer and Jeffo tuning over the phone I just crack up, it might be possible to get my 50 back with alot of work but that aint gonna pay for my plugs or time lost on a family trip, so in the mean time we crack a few jokes about it,Big Deal, if you dont like to joke around some, then there are 100's of other threads on here that are dead serious for your reading pleasure, your right karma is a bitch and I would hate to be jeffo.



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03/03/10 3:29 PM

You Pee Yes, they just rang my bell, dropped off my new Pea Sea ocean going fuel splitter. I'm going nuke wee ear. Comes with a limited edition key fob to wind up the ride.



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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 4:08 PM

"needs no batteries"...got lucky there HUB!

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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 4:20 PM

BG if you want, you can pull this thread and anything else to do with FAiC.


I'd rather not do that unless it gets really out of hand again.

This whole situation with Jeffo is very strange. I don't know how he can do what he does and have so many happy customers. It just doesn't make sense. But I am one of them.

On the other hand, I don't know how tuning with a dyno makes any sense either. You're sitting in a closed room with no air coming into the intake of the bike, running up the engine, and making decisions about fuel/air mixture that are supposed to hold true at high speeds -- with tons more air coming into the intake????? I guess it's all magic.

Matter of fact, I got a new exhaust system and just asked Jeff for a new map today. I had been running a stock exhaust. We'll see if it works as well as the first one did. I'll be surprised if it does. I suspect I just got lucky with the first one. We'll see...

I'll let you know. -bg


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03/03/10 6:05 PM

The magic Words..."NO RAM AIR EFFECT"...and you didn't "just get lucky" BRO.Yer next map's gonna be even BETTER!!!!!


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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/03/10 7:49 PM

Here Hub, you can part your sub at my garage.


and I'd like to see the effect of any map change/new map on TTD.


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RE: I Couldn't Have Made This Up...Monster Must Read!
03/04/10 6:51 AM

I stayed neutral on this one, posted it just to see what they would think about Jeffo and his service on another site . Consensus they independently reached was pretty much the same as mine, Jeffo is selling a DynoJet zero map with a few " tweeks". It's probably not going to damage your bike since he's staying pretty close to the zero map. Their point and mine, so just use the free DJ downloads and save your self $50. You can spend the cash you saved on a plastic submarine or X-ray glasses.

http://www.zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=85559



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