Glad he's doa.I'm not buyin the Pakistani gov't's claim however that they "knew nothing about his whereabouts".C'mon...friggin guy's got to eat.Two security gates.No one ever saw him come out.Okay...maybe he didn't,but SOMEONE around there HAD to know he was livin it up in there.At least 6 people in there,TWO wives.Someone knew in the Gov't.How the hell do you "hide" the fact of a fortified compound in some little village like that,and no one knows who's livin there.Yeah,right.You guys see the satellite images of where he was at...his "compound"?They had to know what was goin on there.
While his faithful were dying,he was gettin layed every nite.Some role model.Where's wikileaks when ya need em?I think that Pakistani Govt has got a lot to hide...and explain.I'll never buy another item from Pakistan.EVER.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 5/3/2011 @ 2:15 AM *

I'm with you blue - no way we should believe that the Pakastani's didn't know this guys been livin' there for the past 5 years! They were supposed to be looking for him too!!! I think we should accidentally invade and see who else turns up!!!

I say we knock it the hell off and get every one of our troops back here and work on our countries' security and stay the hell outa these other shitholes. Let them fester and fuck and then when they get to big for their britches drop some tonnage on them like Japan and send them back to the stone age. And I mean all of them.

Sounds like a plan Edgecrusher!!!!

I'm with you blue - no way we should believe that the Pakastani's didn't know this guys been livin' there for the past 5 years!

i am very unhappy to say I agree with that statement. I am quite sure there are plenty of Pakis who also are shocked and perhaps a bit disappointed that this guy was being harbored.

Pakistan relations with the US are not great. Israel is a friend of the US but Pakistan, not really. Too bad. this doesn't help much, does it.

Glad they got him even if just to serve justice. I highly doubt it will make a big dif. The War on Terrorism is something we will be fighting probably for ever. Hope it is not all out military involvement for ever. The way to effectively counteract covert attacks is with covert counterattacks. The military should be here protecting our citizens, if you ask me. I am deeply grateful to all who are fighting but please lets get you all back very soon.

You're right on that account Rook - there are a lot of Pakistani's that had no idea what was going on right in their own neighborhoods, but I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that SOMEONE in the Pakistani government knew Osama was there and was providing support. I don't know how closely you guys at home are following the news, but remember when Pakistan was being attacked heavily by the Taliban, and they even lost some territory to them, then all of a sudden it all stopped....hmmmm. One thing that I have learned from being over here, the people that make up the governments in Pakistan and Afghanistan, are very corrupt and despite what they announce publicly, you can't trust them not to play both sides of this thing if they see an advantage for themselves. Someone in the government knew.

There are lots of people in both countries, Afghanistan and Pakistan, who are just like you and me, just wanting to live and raise their families in peace. However, those people are not in control of the government... If they were, or if the vast majority of the population of Afghanistan felt that way, we would not still be here... In a way, a great way, I wish there was not a need for our servicemen to be here in this place fighting and dying daily, but the alternative is to fight terrorists in the streets of the US and frankly, that's just not acceptable.

In order to stem the tide of terrorism in this world it is necessary to fight it wherever it is, to show them that they will not have ANY safe place to plot and plan the next 9/11, to find them and stamp them out of existence before they destroy the lives of any more innocent people, just trying to make a living! I know this war seems pointless, costly and never ending at times, but from where I sit, I see a different perspective. We sacrifice here so WE ALL can ride when and where we want and live peaceful lives, back home. I listen to fighters taking off 24/7, explosions and risk losing my life here, so that when I get to come home, I can relax knowing that my children aren't afraid to go to school and really have no idea how horrible the world can actually be! I'd rather have it that way, than to allow the terrorists to be able to strengthen themselves enough to make another bold attack like the ones they have already carried out in the US and elsewhere in the world. I am all for keeping them busy fighting and destroying their own back yards and not ours.... for as long as it takes.

Sorry if I went of on a rant. I've spent a lot of my life in the military (13) years and now the past (7) working with them here in Afghanistan, so this is near and dear to my heart.

Sorry Hub,

Been a while since I've been on here... pretty busy since Bin Laden was offed... And if I understand your lingo correctly, YES there are some here in Afghanistan and other Muslim countries that I have been in (Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Afghanistan, Bahrain) that, believe it or not, are just like you and I (for the most part)and just want to have the freedom to live, raise families and prosper just as we do (some of us). Some of the countries I listed are very strict muslim countries on the outside, but if you were to go there, you would soon see that they do many of the same things as we do day to day in the US. Get up, go to work, take kids to school, shop at shopping malls, ride bikes and custom cars, listen to rap and other "American" music and even like a lot of the same TV shows that we do... Not all Muslims are bad people nor are they all radicals... I also take it that you have never read anything from the Koran. It's not the book that's doing the brainwashing nor does it espouse radicalism anymore then the bible does - it's the clerics that interpret the book for the masses (as most people in this country are illiterate and rely on someone else to tell them how to pray, live and gain entry into heaven). Such a thing is not unheard of in Christianity either (Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, and all of the atrocities committed in the name of God when Europeans migrated (took over) the new world, etc. etc.)

But don't get me wrong... I say we should do everything in our power at home and abroad to stamp out the radicals who twist the words and the meaning of what the Koran really says to suit themselves and to motiviate illiterate, ingnorant followers to strike out against others. Sadaam, Osama bin Laden, were just the start, there are many, many more terrorist leaders out there who do the same thing, they all need to be found and dealt with in the harshest manner possible. So while I hate this place and know that we waste billions here that could be otherwise better used at home, I would much rather lay waste to someone elses' homeland than my own....

As far as the other stuff you said - could someone please translate?!!!

* Last updated by: bigwilliezx on 5/31/2011 @ 9:42 AM *

burn the witchez!

Franks and beans!

Glad they caught that other bastard...that fuc*&^r that killed all those Muslims over in Shreblinkna or some such place.He needs to fry baby.Him and his followers.Nuthin but hate incarnate.I can't imagine what kind of dark heart could just stand there and machine-gun innocent people,men and boys.WTF?Over 8,000.Everyone that participated in that needs to be hung...or whatever.Sorry guys...I can't handle this kind of deal....murder just to watch others die.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 5/31/2011 @ 4:47 PM *

Some deal there.I don't really see any difference for "having a law"....and just following your OWN religion(long as it doesn't put others in danger).I mean...there are things I would not do because I believe in Christ.I don't need a law to enforce those things.Doesn't every "religion" have their own set of "laws" in them?Christians have a certain set of "laws"....but nobody goes out and kills a Christian(other Christians that is) because they decide they want to switch to say,Catholic.I don't understand WHY the Muslim(Islamic)faith has to create a "court" to administer their beliefs.Sounds like the inquisition to me.Ancient...outdated....unworkable.What exactly IS their goal of "practicing their faith".Is it to be more loving and Godly,or to control and punish those who don't think like they do.I wonder if ANY Muslim REALLY knows WHY they have a book teaching what it teaches...and it's attitude towards other human beings living here(all created by God,believers or not I'm assuming).And BTW...how does ANYONE know WHEN someone is gonna accept a certain faith?So they're killing "infidels",right?How do they know they're not killing future believers in Allah.Guess that doesn't matter...long as blood gets shed.Isn't THAT what the Koran really suggests?Intolerance...hatred for those NOT like yourself?Where's the "love"?HHmmmmmmmm.Glad I don't have a God like that.They must be awfully unhappy seeing the world pass them by...missing living a fulfilled life because they believe EVERYONE's out to get them.What's even crazier is the idea that the "eternal" "home" is gonna be a "sexpectacle" to reach for in this life.No wonder their countries are in such disrepair.Think how much GOOD could have been done had Sadddam spent that trillions on his own people.Got em up to speed with fresh drinking water...safe housing...electricity.Health care.Don't think he'd be layin in the ground right now had he just woke up and started carin about someone else.Same as those other "Clerics" over there.They all cry..."it's the West's fault we're where we are"....What about THEIR oil revenues and such.Where's THAT going?To the West...NOT.To their rich Shieks and all..that's where the people's wealth is being funneled...certainly not to the average joe there...bustin his arse to feed his fam.People shootin each other...cause one's a Sunni and the other's a Shiite?WTF????Same Allah isn't he?They can't SEE that?I don't believe it.They can't be that ignorant.No way.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 6/1/2011 @ 4:30 PM *

I only said that not ALL muslims are bad people...simply stereotyping mass amounts of people because they share a common religion is ignorance, otherwise known as bigotry.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

Going by this, I am sure that back in the day - Christians were probrably thought of as terrosist... Although there were no such things as suicide vests, car bombs, ieds, or the internet to instantly send the news around the world Christians (as I am) have done some of the same crimes against peoples of other religions in the name of God.
So I guess by your interpretation, muslims ALL believe that all christians are bad people...

In other words we could google ourselves to death pulling up mountains of CRAP to fit whatever point we want to make, but in the end IF you are a true Christian, then you/we should be as tolerant as we can of ALL people, regardless of what their belief system is.... Not saying I care one way or the other about what you think, but I only want to destroy those who want to do me and mine harm (and at 2am when some a'hole has gotten into my house, I don't give a rats ass what his beliefs are when I double tap him to the chest....), but still I won't feel animosity for ANYONE just wanting to do an honest day's work to feed his family, muslim, christian, buddhist or otherwise!

* Last updated by: bigwilliezx on 6/2/2011 @ 11:58 AM *

I'm not sure what you're saying...or trying to say.Or even IF it's directed at no one in particular.I know for myself....having experienced racism first hand(I'm WHITE BTW)....racism coming from the Black population....2/3rds of the guys in there were.Whites were THE MINORITY.So what I'm sayin is.....I DO NOT harbor grudges or anger or hatred because of the things that I experienced from them.They certainly weren't ALL bad...no way.And honestly,I never really looked on them as "Black"...you know...the "n" word or anything else.We were all just trying to get along...some more than others...and some definitely bent on "payback".I had Black friends....in a minimal "white pride" environment...meaning...MOST of the Whites where I was were Gangland types....Aryans and such.Skinheads.I minded my own business...and followed no one.Perhaps that's exactly what saved me from serious problems,though the constant threat and possibility of harm was ALWAYS present..

I taught black guys how to weld...even helped em learn Underwater welding and all.I NEVER had ONE SINGLE physical confrontation with any.I did get close to throwing down with one guy there....thought for sure it wasn't over.That night,dude comes to where I was at....I'm thinkin..."okay,this is it...get ready".Dude walks up,says..."sorry about our deal today....no hard feelings....everything's cool".I mean...that type of thing JUST DON'T HAPPEN.And everything WAS cool.

So I guess what I'm sayin is....NOT ALL MUSLIMS are bad guys.Never meant to infer they were.And certainly don't believe they are all bad....like every other race.Good and bad...religion or not.

"Tolerance"...I don't even like that word.It denotes that somehow "they" are "less than" me.I choose to prefer......mercy and compassion over judgement any day....though daily I fall WAY SHORT.

And the only reason I can attain any of those attitudes is because Christ was merciful to me,and compassionate.If anyone deserved to receive punishment...that would be me for sure.But for some reason...IDK why....I've been truly spared in some seriously radical situations.Certainly nothing I worked out to end up untouched.Just happened.

I just wish that the REAL true caring people in these religions would step up and begin to condemn this unnecessary violence...it's so pointless..and only makes the problem worse.Unfortunately,most that DO step up end up silenced for good on Earth.Color...race...creed....none of that matters.Only that people stop the hate.That's what matters.

Just to be clear here...there IS a time and place for violent action,including killing.Punishment and personal responsibility have their place.I think we all know that.I just wish it was different,a different way to resolve things.

There is such a thing as JUSTIFIABLE homicide.Doing it over one's belief(or non-belief) in some "diety" is not acceptable to me.Neither killing because of race,color,or anything else related to that.IF I found in my bible(new testament) any passage that told me to kill anyone who refuses to believe as I did,I'd reject that as fast as a hot flame.The whole shebang.All of it.Even the "god" that commanded it.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 6/2/2011 @ 1:16 PM *

Uhm...ya...NOW I understand...BigWill was talkin about..................YOU.It's YOU HUBSTER!YOU'RE the racist!Ya...that's it."bad racist,bad racist"....go to your.....doghouse you beastial man you.

I DO see your point Hub...definitely.That's what makes "trusting" Middle Eastern descent people VERY difficult when it comes to "gee,I wonder if?"Not sure how many folks actually understand or know what the Koran teaches about "infidels"...and what's to be done with them.Kinda like me sayin....."Okay...I am a Christian,but I don't believe Christ rose from the dead"According to the bible,I won't be saved thinking that way.What makes me a Christian is BELIEVING the WHOLE new testament.And trying to follow it.So.....back to the original topic....CAN Muslims be "good Americans"...when America stands for acceptance and co existence.Not to mention all the other things that are "American".Takin that a step further...could you envision this?...Guy goes to the ballpark...gets himself a hot dog made with Chicken,PORK,and Beef.Just so happens to be a Muslim.Gets some for his kids too.Yet he says "I'm a Muslim"...is he?Crowd finds out...takes the guy's family out a murders em in front of him,then kills the guy.Think you would see that today in America?I say.....NOT LIKELY.Yet they do it all the time to "non-believers" over there in the Mideast and such.Being "good Muslims".

Just what are WE supposed to think about all of this?Trust em?I don't see how .

* Last updated by: blue07 on 6/2/2011 @ 4:56 PM *

I was a member of the Bahai faith for a while. My Chinese wife had got hooked up with them before I met her.

I have read the Qur'an, and I understand it. There is the "early" Prophet Muhammad, and the "late" Prophet Muhammad. Some of the Qur'an, he taught mercy and love and understanding. But later just one thing, death to the infidels, and if they convert, spare their lives but make them slaves.

Just like I would question a Christian who believes literally in the Gospels and Acts, but thinks Joshua-Job and Psalms-Song of Songs and Isaiah-Malachi (Prophets) are just allegories and parables. Its all either truth or falsehood. Chose.

If you believe in the Prophet Muhammad and accept the Qur'an how can you not accept it all? You must accept the Word of the Prophet and therefore non-Muslims must convert or die.

I dearly believe a Muslim in the USA should be permitted to practice his/her religion, as long as it doesn't violate the laws all citizens must adhere to. If they can't live by our laws, they have the same choice as any other civil or social protestor, they can work to get the laws changed or accept the consequences of disobeying them. Giving a Muslim life for murder is no different than giving a Christian life for murder. Both would simply be criminals.

If it was good enough for Dr. King, it should be good enough for U.S. Muslims.

What they do outside the USA, as long as it doesn't hurt one of us, I don't care. Hurt us, and I don't care what religion or race or creed you are, we are coming after your ass with a vengeance. Bin Laden found that out first hand. But I respect him for acting according to his belief in the Qur'an, and making no excuses. Glad he's dead, because he hurt us and the Bald Eagle doesn't understand the concept of mercy.

Thats my general drift and feeling on this. I expect Muslims to leave me alone just like I expect Christians to leave me alone. I'm not a racist, I'm a constitutional constructionist and believe the Founders said "come to America, and become an American. If you can't, don't come. If you come and can't live as an American, leave."

* Last updated by: privateer on 6/2/2011 @ 6:37 PM *

I truly believe there's lots of Muslims living here that want NO PART of the violent undertones and teachings of the Koran.They want to be AMERICANS....free to make up their own minds about living,working,raising their fams without the fear of "death" from some jerk tellin the Authorities.."you know so and so...ya,well,guess what?"I truly believe that.America is a safe haven for many people of persecution.We aint perfect...lots of BS out there,but still....we're the most gracious and caring people on the planet when it comes to defending other's rights and freedoms.That's why so many different people have flocked here...to escape the constraints of where they were.Natch....there's lots of hatred here...there is.It's in man's nature to need a reason to hate.It just is.Too bad that energy couldn't be channeled into good deeds and such.For the most part...here...it is.Those other regimes and countries are still WAY behind the pack in regards to human rights and integrity.They can't blame the US for their setting roadside bombs to murder innocent children going to school...or whatever.These are their OWN people they're killing.They know that...the world knows that.That's one reason the Muslim "faith" is so ridiculed and suspect.What kind of God orders the murder of innocent people to further HIS "kingdom".....like he needs to "further his kingdom"?.Isn't he GOD?What can man possibly give to Him to "fulfill" His life?He doesn't need man to pat him on the head and say.."Good Boy there".

These acts of genocide and wanton murder have NOTHING in common with God.Nothing.These are men's deals....pure and simple.God isn't telling ANYONE..."Ya...now you go kill that person there that was created in MY image"...Course,if you don't BELIEVE in any of that...then you do what you "think" is right.As so many are.Doing what they THINK is right...murder,rapes,genocides,persecutions.Tortures.All man's stuff..not God's.

Just like a lot of "Christians",or Catholics,or whoever says they trust the bible.How many have actually taken the time to really find out what it says.It covers every aspect of man's existence.Behaviors,thoughts.Man hasn't changed.He still thinks the same way he did when he was created.Technology has changed,but man hasn't.I wonder how many Muslims have actually taken the time to find out what the Koran really teaches.There are several outstanding themes in the Islamic faith that are completely at odds with ANY type of co-existence...whether it be your unbelieving neighbor,or you own flesh and blood.They will kill their own just for having a difference of opinion.Sound like a path any thinking person would want to live by?I don't know WHY they don't see the hypocrisy in their teachings...but they don't.Or don't want to.That would be REALLY sad.And they're only going to remain stuck in their cycle of death as long as they continue to blame someone else for their misfortunes.They will NEVER kill all the "infidels" in the world.Never.They have a whole world of "infidels" among them right now...who want out.It's just shedding blood for the thrill of it and the feeling of power.It's not taking them anywhere...but down.The haters know this...I believe that.They're not killing to "prepare the world for Allah".They're killing cause they love to feel superior.Such a waste.And they're RUINING everything for their brothers and sisters who want a genuine life of "normalcy" and hope.

I hope the masses that want out of this nightmare of Islam will stand up and speak out about this travesty.This hijacking of morality.There's plenty out there worldwide that feel exactly this way.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 6/2/2011 @ 7:39 PM *

I don't entirely agree Blue.

Many whom we count amongst radical Islamists truly believe in the part of the Qur'an that commands them to kill infidels. I'm sure some maniacs have manipulated true believers for the purposes of obtaining power and glory, which is not part of the Qur'an as pertains to killing infidels.

Please note, the Qur'an does not say Allah demands it, it says Muhammad said that Allah demands it.

This is like the Christian Bible saying Jesus said God demands something. There is absolutely no difference.

This is why I believe the Qur'an is doomed as a holy text for a world religion, its believers can never achieve what it demands they achieve.

But then, what the Bible demands can never be achieved either.

Both religions (and they have wildly conflicted sects within both of them) require an End of Days and a Second Coming for final resolution. Both believe only the followers and true believers will be saved.

I think they are both full of shit, and for this Fatwah might be issued against me. I don't care, I'm dying anyway already.

As for the Bible, it has been so horribly mis-translated, and the books included in the accepted version so thoroughly determined by what centralized power in the Holy See (Pope) and removed women from a place of prominence in the history of Christianity (cite. vis. Mary Magdalene) as to make it laughable to anyone who bothers to learn the truth and read the books in the ancient Aramaic and Greek.

* Last updated by: privateer on 6/2/2011 @ 7:53 PM *

Gotta say this though Priv..."they're" gonna have one hell of a time trying to fulfill Fatwah whilst yer rollin on yer 14!!!!I can see it now....Radicals ridin hondas or somethin...tryin to catch yer azz!If they rode a 14,they'd forget about all that murder nonsense and give up tryin to carve somethin up except the canyons !I think they truly need a good dose of American Fun!!!!!!

I'll tell ya this...the ones that DO come over here...when they(IF THEY)go back...they don't see Americans in the same light as before.There's nothin like feeling safe and free.This is THE best country on Earth...hands down .

* Last updated by: blue07 on 6/2/2011 @ 8:13 PM *

Firstly, I did NOT call anyone a racist... The word bigot also refers to people who are intolerant of the beliefs, religious etc., of others. IT ALSO refers to racists, but that's not how I intended it.

Secondly, I did not actually address it to one person because so many expressed the intolerance that I am refering to of Muslims. As I said in the beginning, not ALL Muslims are extremists and want to kill anyone who's not Muslim. That is a fact that cannot be refuted, irregardless of what the internet, leftist talk show host or anyone says. That's just a fact of life. Even though Germany (Nazi party) were responsible for such terrible atrocities and deaths during WWII, that doesn't mean that ALL Germans held the same beliefs that led the Nazis to do what they did. This is the same thing...

IF as you guys say, that ALL muslims believe that ALL "infidels" should be killed, then someone, anyone, explain why there are pretty substantial Christian populations in a lot Muslim countries???? Why are these people spared???? See below:

Regions with significant Christian populations
Egypt 6,000,000 - 18,000,000[1] ??? (This is prob wrong!!!)
Syria 2,051,000
Lebanon 1,998,797
Iraq 944,000
Cyprus 800,000
Jordan 388,000
Iran 300,000
Palestinian territories 173,000
Azerbaijan 100,000
Turkey 120,000

Have you heard that any of these populations in these predominantly muslim nations being exterminated en masse? Hmmmm.... Those Churches in those counries did not just pop up last night, they have been established presences in those countries for decades and in some for centuries, but are still there... Just something to twirl around in your rigid minds.... All I've really learned from this is that you can't teach old dogs new tricks....

You will notice, at least in my writings on this subject, I never said all Muslims wanted to kill all infidels.

I said if you accept the Qur'an then you must kill all infidels who refuse to convert. Because the Prophet commands it. Prophet Muhammed commands mercy and kindness to Muslims and death or conversion to infidels.

My question is, if you don't accept all of what the Qur'an says, isn't that the same as a Christian not accepting all of what the Bible says? I'm just not sure you can be either without accepting your Holy Word completely.

I'm also saying many we label "radical Islamists" truly believe the Words of the Prophet in the Qur'an and follow it. Bin Laden was one of those true believers who got twisted up in the politics of terrorism while he was fighting the Soviets in Afghanistant, and lost his purity. As a result he took it too far and paid with his life.

My real point is, back around 500 AD the Catholic Church was a terrorist organization which was chosing the books of the Bible to cement the power of the Pope for all time as absolute, and to dismiss the importance of women in the Church of Christ. Later they killed millions of innocent Muslims over Jerusalem when it really belongs to the Jews.

Then the Muslims killed millions of not so innocent Christians and its been all twisted up ever since. But its fairly clear the Christians taught the Muslims about terrorism, so who's fault is it what Bin Laden did?

I'm all for killing Bin Laden and anyone like him. But I can't criticize him for believing he has to kill me either.

Well said...

None of your opinions will mean a thing when the aliens come back to reclaim their planet and dispatch all those who resist like the life sucking insects that we are. Religion will have no place because it will all make sense once we let go of our egos and accept the truth for what it is.
"meQtaHbogh qachDaq Suv qoH neH"-Only a fool fights in a burning house.